Mega Thread New Stadium

[lusheslewis]

Re: New Stadium - Time for Cautious Optimism?

Still better than Subi.

Here's another lovely render(s) from the report.

I think it has a nice mix between being in a dedicated area (hopefully with the necessary infrastructure) like a lot of the stadiums in the USA but not being in the middle of nowhere (like a lot of the stadiums in the USA )

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

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I do wonder what a new stadium will mean for West Coast's finances. 40,000 people paying $500 is nearly more than some other clubs total revenue.

How many people will remain as members when they can get a decent seat for $25 off the street?

I daresay our membership will still be healthy - but you'd think the price of memberships would have to come down!

Hopefully it will bring GA tickets in line with that of Melbourne

I'd buy 1

 

[chardonnay]

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Belmont Park: a solution to the racing industry woes & a genuine alternative for a new footy stadium.

Here's the deal. The Government buys Belmont Park and finds land south of Perth for Perth Racing with enough room for a winter racing complex on the railway and freeway where there is major growth - not only residential but in the horse population.
This would provide an opportunity for the industry to be debt free and have substantial financial reserves. There would be plush new facilities for members and future racegoers - not a run-down, tired amenity - and the opportunity for a deal in the reduction of betting turnover tax that would provide the industry with a brighter future

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/wa/8735626/time-to-end-racing-football-troubles/

 

[The Falcon Strike]

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Belmont Park: a solution to the racing industry woes & a genuine alternative for a new footy stadium.http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/wa/8735626/time-to-end-racing-football-troubles/

flipping Bingo!!!

This was always the prime spot - but i thought it had gone due to property development!

This should immediately be assessed!!

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

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A couple of issues with Belmont Park though:
1. Whatever the cost of strengthening a stadium at burswood was going to be, you'd just about have to double it I reckon. That land is basically reclaimed swamp.
2. Access is fairly limited and there's nothing else there. Meaning that at the end of the game, 60,000 people are going to be trying to get on either the GFF or the train, which would be chaos

 

[The Falcon Strike]

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A couple of issues with Belmont Park though:
1. Whatever the cost of strengthening a stadium at burswood was going to be, you'd just about have to double it I reckon. That land is basically reclaimed swamp.
2. Access is fairly limited and there's nothing else there. Meaning that at the end of the game, 60,000 people are going to be trying to get on either the GFF or the train, which would be chaos

Not sure about the groundworks - not my area of expertise

However - it wouldn't be too hard to infil with entertainment especially with some of the developments happening just east in ascot- also - i reckon a walkbridge across into east perth would work well - and could provide an entertainment area.

There'd also be ample room i'd think for parking.

 

[larrikin]

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that land (assuming a new stadium in the area) would be far too valuable to make much parking there

 

[The Falcon Strike]

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that land (assuming a new stadium in the area) would be far too valuable to make much parking there

I agree - we need to get perth out of the drive mentality - however parking is still going to be required - even if only for the mobility impaired. So a muli-story carpark wouldn't be that space hungry.

The idea of having a precinct in that area would be great

I still like the East Perth option - but i think the issue was we couldn't have the size ground we want due to footprint limitations


Edit: 11.30 - changed my mind in the space of 2 hours - forgot that Belmont park was a flood plain!!

 

[greatwhiteshark]

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I can see it already, WA will stuff this up.

Burswood is the future, Perth needs an entertainment hub. It does not have one.

While I don't mind the Belmont idea I would still be pulling all stops out to have it at Burswood.

With the infrastructure required to be build around the Belmont option like Bars, Cafe's, restaurants, shops etc etc the cost will be larger than burswood which has all this now.

Going to the football is not just going to the football anymore, it is a nights entertainment and we must build the stadium where the entertainment precinct is.

Must be Burswood in my opinion at any cost.

 

[CursoryMercenary]

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Belmont Park is a huge waste of space, the footy stadium would go well there but the golf course area would still be my preference.

 

[masai]

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- i reckon a walkbridge across into east perth would work well

There is already a walk way from East Perth.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

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There is already a walk way from East Perth.

Not one capable of handling the volume of traffic after a footy game

Not sure if you've been to the dome - but they have a great walkway that sweeps people over the train lines.

We need something that can direct people to the various train lines - be it Claisebrook, East Perth or Belmont Park as well as any entertainment/restaurnat precincs.

Nothing better than a good walkway - various people selling the record, playing music - becomes a great vibe ono the way to the footy.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

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Not one capable of handling the volume of traffic after a footy game

Not sure if you've been to the dome - but they have a great walkway that sweeps people over the train lines.

We need something that can direct people to the various train lines - be it Claisebrook, East Perth or Belmont Park as well as any entertainment/restaurnat precincs.

Nothing better than a good walkway - various people selling the record, playing music - becomes a great vibe ono the way to the footy.

Run ferry's from Fremantle South Perth, Nedlands, guildford and Maylands to the Stadium at Burswood.

Build a huge Walking bridge from East Perth to Burswood across the river.

And of course redirect the train line direct to Burswood of the main track.

Yes big costs but it must be done for the future.

 

[chardonnay]

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Not one capable of handling the volume of traffic after a footy game

Not sure if you've been to the dome - but they have a great walkway that sweeps people over the train lines.

We need something that can direct people to the various train lines - be it Claisebrook, East Perth or Belmont Park as well as any entertainment/restaurnat precincs.

Nothing better than a good walkway - various people selling the record, playing music - becomes a great vibe ono the way to the footy.

The Dome walkway is useless if you come from Docklands or the bay. Its a part of Spencer Street station not just for Docklands events.

Memo Perth isnt Melbourne.

 

[Coast_Watch]

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I do wonder what a new stadium will mean for West Coast's finances. 40,000 people paying $500 is nearly more than some other clubs total revenue.

How many people will remain as members when they can get a decent seat for $25 off the street?

I daresay our membership will still be healthy - but you'd think the price of memberships would have to come down!

You have hit the nail smack on the head. I'd be predicting permanent seated WCE membership falling to around the 25,000 mark within 2 years of the new stadium opening. Overall membership may remain higher than that, but many will not book season seating. Keep in mind also that many current 20yr+ members will be in their retirement years by the time the new stadium is finished. Watching the game on TV will become more and more appealing to them as time goes by.

 

[Underdog]

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The Dome walkway is useless if you come from Docklands or the bay. Its a part of Spencer Street station not just for Docklands events.

Memo Perth isnt Melbourne.

What about the MCG walkway then?

 

[larrikin]

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The Dome walkway is useless if you come from Docklands or the bay. Its a part of Spencer Street station not just for Docklands events.

Memo Perth isnt Melbourne.

Huh?

It services 80%+ of Dockland attendees.

it's a great setup with one of the main stations right there

 

[Scotland]

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The most important factor is transit; how many people will go to the footy, where are they coming from and how will they get there and home.

The best site IMO in an ideal World is the site of the convention centre. Serviced by the North/South Freeway, serviced by the North/South Railway, close to the East, West and South-East Railways, and close to the main road West. Etc.

Now you're probably wondering what the **** that has to do with anything but look at the above compared to Belmont Park. Belmont is serviced by the Farmer Freeway and Armadale train line only. Now it's far from difficult to get to but it's already behind Subiaco in terms of road and rail access, and we plan to have 20,000 more people using it each week. Recipe for disaster without significant planning.

To have the stadium adequately serviced by rail, the extension of the Thornlie spur line should be completed to link the southern line. Additionally, there are currently only two lines to the station. Clarkson trains get as close as Perth Underground, and Freo/Midland trains as close as Claisebrook. Personally I'd build a second Belmont station serviced by trains from NOR and a tunnel to take rail lines from Claisebrook and some traffic from the Farmer Freeway Eastbound under the stadium site. Unfortunately that's all big dollars, and doesn't solve the problems of the Northbridge tunnel being 2 lanes each way only and access from the SOR/NOR Western suburbs being poor.

 

[juddy_Like]

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Parking - People should be encouraged to park at Burswood Casino or the racecourse and walk to the stadium. If Melburnians can walk from Crown (in generally shit weather), im sure fat ass Perthites can do the same.

Traffic - Again if you have part of the crowd at Burswood, many can take Great Eastern Highway home one way or Canning Highway/ Mill Point Road to go south onto the freeway. Not everyone has to go into the tunnel to get home.


And FWIW, the amount Perth Racing will require to hand over control of Belmont will be a ridiculously high figure and something not worth talking about.

 

[Admiral Byng]

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Now you're probably wondering what the **** that has to do with anything but look at the above compared to Belmont Park. Belmont is serviced by the Farmer Freeway and Armadale train line only. Now it's far from difficult to get to but it's already behind Subiaco in terms of road and rail access, and we plan to have 20,000 more people using it each week. Recipe for disaster without significant planning.

To have the stadium adequately serviced by rail, the extension of the Thornlie spur line should be completed to link the southern line. Additionally, there are currently only two lines to the station. Clarkson trains get as close as Perth Underground, and Freo/Midland trains as close as Claisebrook. Personally I'd build a second Belmont station serviced by trains from NOR and a tunnel to take rail lines from Claisebrook and some traffic from the Farmer Freeway Eastbound under the stadium site. Unfortunately that's all big dollars, and doesn't solve the problems of the Northbridge tunnel being 2 lanes each way only and access from the SOR/NOR Western suburbs being poor.

I'm not so pessimistic. I think the road and rail access at Belmont start at least equal or better than Subi. It is just that different groups of people will find it less or more convenient by comparison.

Bear in mind also with regards to railways, there is a project to sink the railway line west of the city. As part of this project they might be able to once again link the various railway lines at Perth, providing scope for through services to Belmont. Perhaps trains from Fremantle and Clarkson will be able to do through services, passengers from Midland and Mandurah might need to change trains. But for passengers coming from Armadale or Thornlie it will be a huge improvement because they wont have to change trains at Perth. Once again some people are better off, some are worse off.

Overall, I think the Belmont site has huge advantages over Subiaco. I don't think the road and rail network around Subi could cope well with another 15-20,000 people trying to get there. Moving such large numbers of people around quickly and all at the same time is always going to be a problem.

 

[Keys]

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Would rather the Kitchener Park proposal than Belmont.

If the Government was serious about sports in WA it would develop a precinct in Burswood.

 

[Galileo9]

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Would rather the Kitchener Park proposal than Belmont.

If the Government was serious about sports in WA it would develop a precinct in Burswood.

people keep talking about a precinct but given that cricket is at WACA, this precinct will never exist unless the new football stadium is built in and around WACA. besides all precinct does it keeps things tidy, but doesnt enhance anything really.

Still think will be built at Kitchner....Barnett just hasnt figured out how to perceive Kitchener being has idea and not the Labor idea he opposed whilst in opposition.

 

[Sman-21]

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The only thing stopping burswood happening is burswood will not sell their land to the government.
Burswood will be helping to pay for it and ofcourse will want their say on the operation of it and a % of the takings.

When burswood were pushing for the stadium there, they also said they would like to put a rectangular stadium on there grounds to cater for soccer,rugby etc.

Great idea to have everything around the same area.
Means less major upgrades to public transport systems are needed saving lots of money.
Means businesses in area will get more customers instead of just during footy season.

But like i said because Burswood will be wanting some control it will not happen.

 

[sTeeL]

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Burswood doesn't own the golf course or any of the land bar the actual land the complex is built on. The roads, car parks, gardens etc etc are all public lands.

 

[88mph]

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I love the stadium debate, all the hype, speculation etc.

Lets hope we go all out on this project and produce something world class.

Personally I think Burswood is the best but has anyone seen the South Perth proposals?