Player Watch Nick Daicos

[sr36]

This has morphed into a discussion on talent because some moron lacks comprehension. The part of jonbe54’s post that I highlighted and labeled a huge call is as included below with the salient element again highlighted.



It was never about talent, it was about career. For all his undeniable talent, Peter Daicos’s career never reached the heights of Nathan Buckley or Scott Pendlebury. A quick comparison of Copeland Trophy wins (Bucks - 6; Pendles - 5; Daics - 2) sufficient to demonstrate that. Maybe if Daic’s hadn’t been as significantly impacted by injury it would be a different conversation.

If it were a discussion purely on talent, I’d still have him behind Greening and Carmen as the most talented Collingwood players I’ve seen. As well as being able to do all the ground level freakish stuff Daicos did, they also had an aerial presence so were the more complete players. The shame is we never got to see the best of all of them for a variety of reasons.

I'd actually put Dane Swan ahead too in terms of career.

They're too far back for me but I think you're gilding the lily by suggesting that Carmen and Greening could do all the ground level freakish stuff that Daicos could do. Daicos changed what we thought it was possible to repeat consistently. Not saying they weren't more talented overall though.

 

[loki04]

Peter Daicos was a true magician. Did anything one could imagine.
Torps from the center circle, evasive skills, clutch goals.
Freakshow on display every week.

His 97 goals in 1990 is a record for a non KPF.

Leigh Mathews next best with 89..

Mathews midfield clearances and goals combined was exceptionally special.

Buckley and Pendlebury absolute stars but not at all at the same level.

Had Buckley spent a few years fwd at his career end with good Hammies you would of seen him contend for a Coleman imo.

Kicked 7 on one leg vs Scott, Micheal leppa etc. and it's not even a role he trained for.

Buckley is every bit up there with Gablett and Matthews etc as a players.

People forget just how dominant and good Buckley was as a midfielder and versatility to excel anywhere on field.

 

[Mollythedolly]

I'd actually put Dane Swan ahead too in terms of career.

They're too far back for me but I think you're gilding the lily by suggesting that Carmen and Greening could do all the ground level freakish stuff that Daicos could do. Daicos changed what we thought it was possible to repeat consistently. Not saying they weren't more talented overall though.

Me to. There’d be others in the discussion.

The only ground level skill Daics had over Carman and Greening was his ability to make the ball sing. Both Carman and Greening were both very good by foot though so it’s not as big a gap as some might suggest. Daics however rarely left the ground so was more reliant on his ground level skill than either Carman and Greening.

 

[ZEV]

Had Buckley spent a few years fwd at his career end with good Hammies you would of seen him contend for a Coleman imo.

Kicked 7 on one leg vs Scott, Micheal leppa etc. and it's not even a role he trained for.

Buckley is every bit up there with Gablett and Matthews etc as a players.

People forget just how dominant and good Buckley was as a midfielder and versatility to excel anywhere on field.

Was 6…. Leppa wasn’t playing.

 

[Pie eyed]

I loved Presti as much as the next pies supporter but…. No offence Presti. Peter Daicos made 35 famous and if his son chose to keep it, it would be a fail by the club not to allow it. A bit of a no brainer really.

No doubt Daics made it famous that does not change the fact it is given to the first selection because of Presti's selfless act, not because it was Daics number

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[loki04]

Was 6…. Leppa wasn’t playing.

Lol sorry memory getting old.

Regardless only a lazy 6 with scar tissue in his hammie, people would foam over Gablett jnr and Martin kicking 4 against bottom sides....

 

[No SPIN]

Let’s not get too carried away with Nick just yet. Super first year…….But he is not his father. Nick doesn’t have the one on one skills that made his father unique. Nor his strength to run through the guts and be a goal scoring mid. Just yet. Nick is slick ball user and more of a link player. And probably won’t be able to match this years levels in his second year. As teams will do more work on him being loose. Let’s see how his second year goes before we pronounce him the messiah just yet.

And for qualification I saw most of Peters games and it was a joy to watch. As was Bucks and now Pendles. All for different reasons.


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Daicos SNR had the major flaw of being ineffectual ie went missing for long parts of a game, and plagued by inconsistency for much of his career.

But - Inconsistency is a trait of many great and highly talented players.

ND seems more likely to be involved in far more phases of the game, and shows great leadership traits compared to his father, so I think he’ll leave a different stamp on the game.

 

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[manicpie]

Look out midfield, here he comes

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[Ginnieboy]

I'd actually put Dane Swan ahead too in terms of career.

They're too far back for me but I think you're gilding the lily by suggesting that Carmen and Greening could do all the ground level freakish stuff that Daicos could do. Daicos changed what we thought it was possible to repeat consistently. Not saying they weren't more talented overall though.

Blasphemous.

 

[Abdul_The_Bull]

Greening was ahead of his time. He could have been anything...

 

[jonbe54]

Greening was ahead of his time. He could have been anything...

Amen brother Abdul.

Pretty standard picture for when he was playing . . .

On the wing, pack of 5 to contest the mark with 2 waiting at the 12 o'clock position, John 20 meters in the 6 o'clock position . . .

John soars over the pack and completes the mark whilst reading the position of the front and centre's . . .

Slides by the front and centres like they are training witches hats - still accelerating . . .

By they time they have turned and taken a step he's steadied and passed to his upfield team mate - right on the tit . . .

. . . field umpire scratching his head turns to the supporting actors and boundary umpire and asks . . .

Did anyone get the number of that F15 . . .??????

 

[Kirby]

Amen brother Abdul.

Pretty standard picture for when he was playing . . .

On the wing, pack of 5 to contest the mark with 2 waiting at the 12 o'clock position, John 20 meters in the 6 o'clock position . . .

John soars over the pack and completes the mark whilst reading the position of the front and centre's . . .

Slides by the front and centres like they are training witches hats - still accelerating . . .

By they time they have turned and taken a step he's steadied and passed to his upfield team mate - right on the tit . . .

. . . field umpire scratching his head turns to the supporting actors and boundary umpire and asks . . .

Did anyone get the number of that F15 . . .??????

Sounds almost mythical....

 

[JB1975]

Sounds almost mythical....

Good point.

Greening was well before my time, and it is unfortunate that we don't have more film of the man to fill in the blanks.

Descriptions of past greats always tend to be fantastical, while others --like jonbe-- lurches towards the downright absurd. Does Greening no favours at all.

Maybe we just have to accept the reality of a lost talent; it's truly lost and out of reach.

 

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meerkat hears
Sounds almost mythical....

 

[Abdul_The_Bull]

Dig up any footage of Greening and you'll see he was different to his peers. He was lean, fast, agile and was proficient on both sides of his body. I agree that some former talent gets the benefit of a reminiscent mind, but Greening was a cut above. His talent was obvious, and he wouldn't look too far out of place in today's game, in my opinion. What happened to him was not only criminal (literally) it was tragic.

 

[jonbe54]

Dig up any footage of Greening and you'll see he was different to his peers. He was lean, fast, agile and was proficient on both sides of his body. I agree that some former talent gets the benefit of a reminiscent mind, but Greening was a cut above. His talent was obvious, and he wouldn't look too far out of place in today's game, in my opinion. What happened to him was not only criminal (literally) it was tragic.

Given modern training, dietary and fitness regimens he would be even more stand out than he was in his time.

The other mobile big we had around that time was the much maligned (by our own club for years) Thommo - Len was a cousin an deeply hurt by the Pies treatment for his contribution to the player's strike.

An incredibly talented and fast-ish big man he was the first true mobile ruckman - the forerunner of the modern ruckman.

 

[Abdul_The_Bull]

Given modern training, dietary and fitness regimens he would be even more stand out than he was in his time.

The other mobile big we had around that time was the much maligned (by our own club for years) Thommo - Len was a cousin an deeply hurt by the Pies treatment for his contribution to the player's strike.

An incredibly talented and fast-ish big man he was the first true mobile ruckman - the forerunner of the modern ruckman.

Agreed. Coincidently I was watching the second semi-final from 1970 and noted Len Thompson's efforts. He was indeed a very mobile big man and he and Greening combined well numerous times in that game. Two greats of the Collingwood Football Club.

 

[Gone Critical]

Good point.

Greening was well before my time, and it is unfortunate that we don't have more film of the man to fill in the blanks.

Descriptions of past greats always tend to be fantastical, while others --like jonbe-- lurches towards the downright absurd. Does Greening no favours at all.

Maybe we just have to accept the reality of a lost talent; it's truly lost and out of reach.

I think just the bald facts of his stats make him sound special and thats before you factor in the way he delivered those stats. Started as a youngish 17 yo, once selected didnt miss a game for the next 97 until KOed. 19th game kicks 7 goals 3 against the reigning premiers. 1971 20 yo 50 possies , 20 kicks, 16 marks. 1972 has 2 successive games where he goes 46 possies and 6 goals the 45 possies and 4 goals. Thats insane even today. Few weeks later, leading the Brownlow we believe, 21 yo and hottest player in the game, O'Dea ends it all.

 

[jonbe54]

I think just the bald facts of his stats make him sound special and thats before you factor in the way he delivered those stats. Started as a youngish 17 yo, once selected didnt miss a game for the next 97 until KOed. 19th game kicks 7 goals 3 against the reigning premiers. 1971 20 yo 50 possies , 20 kicks, 16 marks. 1972 has 2 successive games where he goes 46 possies and 6 goals the 45 possies and 4 goals. Thats insane even today. Few weeks later, leading the Brownlow we believe, 21 yo and hottest player in the game, O'Dea ends it all.

Yep but O'Dea was just a gun - the finger on the trigger of that gun sat in coaches box.

 

[JB1975]

I think just the bald facts of his stats make him sound special and thats before you factor in the way he delivered those stats. Started as a youngish 17 yo, once selected didnt miss a game for the next 97 until KOed. 19th game kicks 7 goals 3 against the reigning premiers. 1971 20 yo 50 possies , 20 kicks, 16 marks. 1972 has 2 successive games where he goes 46 possies and 6 goals the 45 possies and 4 goals. Thats insane even today. Few weeks later, leading the Brownlow we believe, 21 yo and hottest player in the game, O'Dea ends it all.

I don't doubt that he was a terrific player. Don't make me into a Kappa. And those stats are impressive.

But maybe the greatness of Greening had to be seen to be believed.

With other greats of the game, there are a rollcall of achievements and testimonies from other players and coaches etc. Even Coleman, who played less than 100 games, seems more tangible to the present.

To many Collingwood fans, or at least myself, Greening stands as more of a 'what if' than 'what was'.

 

[Abdul_The_Bull]

I don't doubt that he was a terrific player. Don't make me into a Kappa. And those stats are impressive.

But maybe the greatness of Greening had to be seen to be believed.

With other greats of the game, there are a rollcall of achievements and testimonies from other players and coaches etc. Even Coleman, who played less than 100 games, seems more tangible to the present.

To many Collingwood fans, or at least myself, Greening stands as more of a 'what if' than 'what was'.

This is true, JB. The 'What If' value is high because he did perform so very well in his short time on the field. Well enough to warrant some 'intimate attention' from a certain coach - as jonbe54 said, it was the player that pulled the trigger, but it was the coach that loaded the gun. McKenna made a somewhat veiled attempt at calling Jeans out on it in an interview on footy show back in the day.

 

[jonbe54]

This is true, JB. The 'What If' value is high because he did perform so very well in his short time on the field. Well enough to warrant some 'intimate attention' from a certain coach - as jonbe54 said, it was the player that pulled the trigger, but it was the coach that loaded the gun. McKenna made a somewhat veiled attempt at calling Jeans out on it in an interview on footy show back in the day.

Yep and certain professions are more 'immune' from investigations than others.

 

[Mollythedolly]

I think just the bald facts of his stats make him sound special and thats before you factor in the way he delivered those stats. Started as a youngish 17 yo, once selected didnt miss a game for the next 97 until KOed. 19th game kicks 7 goals 3 against the reigning premiers. 1971 20 yo 50 possies , 20 kicks, 16 marks. 1972 has 2 successive games where he goes 46 possies and 6 goals the 45 possies and 4 goals. Thats insane even today. Few weeks later, leading the Brownlow we believe, 21 yo and hottest player in the game, O'Dea ends it all.

Still finished 6th or 7th in the Brownlow of only 14 games that year, and was competing with the eventual winner (Thommo) for the umpires attentions.