Past Coach NMFC Senior Coach - David Noble has parted ways with NMFC

[DocSholl]

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It isn’t a good look when your VC and likely future captain is liking this.

If he liked it he's unliked it now.

 

[Only Forwards]

I'm not sure about others but at no point have I felt we were better than Collingwood or Adelaide in the last couple of years. Even when Adelaide finished below us, their list was in a much better position than ours.

Hawthorn has genuinely shocked me, but their most experienced players/leaders are so much better than ours. Mcevoy, Bruest, Gunston and Tom Mitchell - 8 premierships, 1 Brownlow medal, a bunch of All Australian's between them.

Goldy, Ziebell and Cunners are the best/most experienced 3 players on our list. Goldy hasn't adjusted to a second position like Mcevoy has transitioning to defense in recent years. Ziebell has been ok and Cunners has more important things to worry about.

Earlier in this thread I actually broke down the senior players from both Collingwood and Hawthorn compared to ours and it was quoted and said it was full of shit.

 

[Samsquanch]

What wasn’t ‘tough’? Our effort. Our intent.
That’s all we’re looking for.

Everyone was happy with the Sydney game. Thrilled with the Bulldogs 3/4 of a quarter. People aren’t desperately willing Noble to fail or hoping we lose. It’s nothing personal. In fact I’d wager that over 80% of people want Noble to succeed.

He’s a likeable guy with, apparently, a talented list and a plan.
But we’re not seeing much talent or any semblance of a plan. Consistently, we’re not even seeing effort.

You know what else is tough? The industry.

If you’re in this industry for two or three years and aren’t showing improvement, people get fed up.

I would expect that even the younger of the AFL listed players at North have been in various systems for most likely 10 or more years. It surprises me that they don't seem to be able to execute a game plan. It looks like the club puts it down to North running out with a "really young list".

If that's the root cause then we just wait it out for a few years until we have a really old list and we will win a premiership.

 

[Themanbun]

I'm not sure about others but at no point have I felt we were better than Collingwood or Adelaide in the last couple of years. Even when Adelaide finished below us, their list was in a much better position than ours.

Hawthorn has genuinely shocked me, but their most experienced players/leaders are so much better than ours. Mcevoy, Bruest, Gunston and Tom Mitchell - 8 premierships, 1 Brownlow medal, a bunch of All Australian's between them.

Goldy, Ziebell and Cunners are the best/most experienced 3 players on our list. Goldy hasn't adjusted to a second position like Mcevoy has transitioning to defense in recent years. Ziebell has been ok and Cunners has more important things to worry about.

To be fair we did punt a three-peat Coleman runner-up out for a bag of chips and played funny buggers and lost our best KPD. We also did gain Greenwood.

Brown
Tarrant
Goldy
Ziebell
Cunners
Hall
Greenwood

Looks comparatively much better than that list minus Brown and Tarrant. I feel it's one of those things where you can cut up to a threshold, but go so much as one player too far and you fall off a cliff. It's delicate that's for sure.

 

[Roosurgence]

I’m starting to think we have very definitions of the word properly Sonja.

This is looking like a shambles and doesn’t reflect anything close to a rebuild.

The only part of what is currently happening that is part of a rebuild is delisting and drafting players. The rest is just layers of shit.

 

[Passmore]

I would expect that even the younger of the AFL listed players at North have been in various systems for most likely 10 or more years. It surprises me that they don't seem to be able to execute a game plan. It looks like the club puts it down to North running out with a "really young list".

If that's the root cause then we just wait it out for a few years until we have a really old list and we will win a premiership.

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Mark is one of Snake’s harem.

The bloke that can barely string a sentence together has the peanut on his podcast.

 

[Roosurgence]

just give it a rest.
That statement actually says nothing and is the most generic, meaningless bunch of tripe i’ve ever read from someone associated with a football club.
We’ll keep doing things that aren’t working because we are stupid is essentially what she is saying without realising it. We won’t make people accountable (the coach doesn’t), we’ll accept not improving and getting worse because that’s what’s supposed to happen… we will just keep going along the same path picking the same people and just accepting that they’re there without questioning whether they should be.

100%

Pure drivel, that is actually condescending to any supporter of the club.

I have a hot tip for Sonja, sometime you are better saying nothing.

 

[Psicosis]

sometime saying nothing is better, if you are going to talk garbage.

Oh the irony

 

[Roosurgence]

That sounds pessimistic but you’re actually correct.

I was, through family and friends, present at most Port matches from 2004 through to 2011. Between 04 and 07 attendance was great. By 2009 I could count on one hand what was left of the 23 the supporters in our row. By 2010/11 most footy fans would know what happened: our entire bay down at Footy Park replaced with a tarpaulin.

And that was also a team with a rich and successful history, dyed-in supporters and with recent success. Not “relatively” recent - I’m talking a matter of 5 years after they won a premiership.

And we play in a league that’s more of a business than ever. A league that tried to ship us up to the Gold Coast.

So yeah I agree. To those happily marching down the road of mediocrity, I say: excuse us for being a bit concerned.

We’re not even asking for results. Just a sign of a plan and some improvement

Can’t like this enough.

If this continues our attendance numbers will be diabolical. We are pretty much unwatchable.

There is literally nothing that this side is doing that makes you want to go and watch.

Let’s see what Sonja posts when no one is turning up to games?

 

[Roosurgence]

Oh the irony

You are welcome to skip my posts.

Just because I don’t want to see this club go down the toilet like the we will be ok one day crowd, don’t expect me to stop posting.

 

[Passmore]

Oh the irony

Maybe just not repeating yourself over and over and over and over again would work as well too.

 

[Roosurgence]

Maybe just not repeating yourself over and over and over and over again would work as well too.

Maybe burying my head in the sand and saying it will all be good one day, is the way to go?

Ok. Everything is going fantastic and we are such a great team to watch

 

[hilly]

Maybe burying my head in the sand and saying it will all be good one day, is the way to go?

Ok. Everything is going fantastic and we are such a great team to watch

Okay strawman.

 

[Passmore]

Maybe burying my head in the sand and saying it will all be good one day, is the way to go?

Ok. Everything is going fantastic and we are such a great team to watch

You just don’t need to fill everything thread droning on. Makes it hard to find decent content from good posters.

 

[Roosurgence]

You just don’t need to fill everything thread droning on. Makes it hard to find decent content from good posters.

LOL!

It’s pretty easy to skip over a post if you don’t want to read it.

Not difficult really.

You even have an ignore function if you are really smart

 

[Passmore]

LOL!

It’s pretty easy to skip over a post if you don’t want to read it.

Not difficult really.

You even have an ignore function if you are really smart

I was skipping your posts until you replied to me. I read the first few that we’re exactly the same.

You keep rambling, I’ll return to skipping your dribble and we’ll both be happy.

 

[Roosurgence]

I was skipping your posts until you replied to me. I read the first few that we’re exactly the same.

You keep rambling, I’ll return to skipping your dribble and we’ll both be happy.

Intelligence at last.

 

[Sillygit]

every single time.

"If you don't agree with all my hyperbolic bullshit then you MUST think everything is perfect!!1!"

Every. Single. Time.

 

[Cyber_punk]

If he liked it he's unliked it now.

Probably reads the forum!

 

[amaz199]

Still don't think he is the issue and I feel like he is completely hamstrung just by how ineffective our senior players have been.

I don't think it is as simple as 'ohhh the team is playing shit, sack Noble' because that is simply not gonna solve anything. He needs some genuine mature talent that can cover the deficiencies we have right now (we sorely lack any genuine A graders) and on top of that, needs someone to support Larkey and be that swing type to help in the ruck (another Petrie basically of which he doesn't have either yet). Then there's the issues with HBF types that we lack drive from other than Hall and his hammies continue to be our downfall.

Dealing with turnovers is ever so difficult right now because of the lack of experience, the lack of leadership down back and well... the lack of any form of genuine leaders on every line. I feel like we are so far from being able to even go breakeven with some teams.

We are genuinely in for another frightening first few months as we continually reshape the list. I know that sounds painful but as we continue to blood more youngsters with a bit of 'wow hes good' about them, I hope we can turn that into 'premiership player good'.

The midfield being stacked helps us but our forward line is still an absolute mess. We still need 2 genuine forwards so Cam can zip around and allow the likes of Curtis and Ford to get more involved. We really do need another Waite or Brown. Just someone with some aerial presence to ease the load. It will make us so much better and our clearance dominance will be more deadly.

The moment we start scoring from clearances and build some momentum, that's really where we can start to fix the other issues. We have to see those results otherwise we are still in the unknown about everything. Where's Lynch? Whatever happened to getting him in?

 

[Lavy_Panther]

I note with interest that we don’t have a dedicated defence line coach, at least listed on the website. Blakey is listed as senior assistant but I assume that’s his portfolio?

If so, and something is better than nothing, I think it’s probably time to bring in a younger, hungrier defensive coach to develop a scheme that can hold up for the next 5 years. I’m not saying sack JB, but it’s clear we’re not putting the right resources into probably the most important part of the game.

 

[amaz199]

Additionally, I think not having leadership on every line is continually going to be our major downfall.

Despite how inconsistent we were in say, 2019, we had enough experience and leadership on those lines to steady things long enough until we turned the game around. Game plan good or not, coaches good or not, we don't have the leaders we need yet.

Players we've lost since then are some we would've liked to keep and has deepened the dagger into our list deficiencies. If Noble still had just Brown, even taking in his average form since 2019, would take huge loads off Larkey.

The minute we are more dangerous forward, the easier we can setup properly everywhere else and not have to chase constantly. I think we have to drop one of the rucks. It has to be done it is not working.

 

[Marstermind]

Noble was offered a complete turd sandwich. Delistings and bad trades which he had no say in. Rudderless leadership off the field, on it, and through poor coaching appointments. A team who committed to a rebuild in 2016, and took until 2020 even consider doing it properly. Yet, to his credit, he accepted the challenge. But don't get me wrong - I am totally dismayed that any gains from 2021 seem to be pissed away and that the team doesn't seem to have any idea of how to implement whatever the game plan is. Or that the structure of the team seems to be random at best. Or that the general competitiveness of the team is non-existent. That's all on David Noble.

For me he has the rest of the year. He committed to a complete basket case. 28 games in, and we're still a total basket case. It's galling to see Hawthorn or Collingwood or Adelaide to go ahead of us so quickly. The reality is that there's no positives. No improvement. And our draft hand next year is probably #1 and nothing else until 50-something. We have no trade capital at all. But let's say we shaft Noble this week. Maybe Blakey steps in as an acting for the rest of the year, and we have someone else in Round 1, 2023. That would be Scott, Shaw, Noble, Blakey and ???? in 65 games of football. That's a disaster. Noble is on notice. He's out of contract so the club would be negligent if they didn't actively approach other options such as Clarkson or Buckley. But Noble hasn't done anything to earn unconditional support.

Personally, I'm embarrassed. Normally on a day we play and I can't go I'd still wear the club polo. Today, I couldn't as I knew we'd be smashed. I remember a time when a bad loss would stick in my guts for weeks. After watching another 10-goal loss it's just "meh". All I wanted was to not be last, and we failed to even do that. We've become synonymous for abject failure in the sport. David Noble isn't the cause of that - two decades of accepting mediocrity, just surviving counting as success, poor standards and lousy culture is more to blame - but he certainly hasn't remotely fixed it in 28 games.

There is no simple solution. No Brad Scott "quick fix". David Noble has no chance of being a premiership coach, not because of his capacity to coach but because of the turd sandwich he took on. That the club's official line is that it's going to get worse before it's going to get better is sadly correct.

I feel sorry for David Noble. Each week he has to sit there and explain away another inept performance by himself, his team and his club. There are zero positives about today's performance or season. Three 60+ losses in 4 weeks is pathetic. Hawthorn can beat Geelong. Adelaide can beat the Bulldogs. We are so far off being the next worst it is embarrassing.

If the club aren't considering getting an established coach then they are negligent in their role. But the problems run deeper than that. If Alistair Clarkson is truly a coaching genius, and if the AFL haven't already got in at the Suns/Giants, then we are still a decade off it - if we last that long.

So depressing.

 

[Horizons_00]

Can he get the players ready to be competitive in games? I mean that’s a given isn’t it? Bare minimum?

Can’t even do that then what’s the point

 

[gokangas]

Noble was offered a complete turd sandwich. Delistings and bad trades which he had no say in. Rudderless leadership off the field, on it, and through poor coaching appointments. A team who committed to a rebuild in 2016, and took until 2020 even consider doing it properly. Yet, to his credit, he accepted the challenge. But don't get me wrong - I am totally dismayed that any gains from 2021 seem to be pissed away and that the team doesn't seem to have any idea of how to implement whatever the game plan is. Or that the structure of the team seems to be random at best. Or that the general competitiveness of the team is non-existent. That's all on David Noble.

For me he has the rest of the year. He committed to a complete basket case. 28 games in, and we're still a total basket case. It's galling to see Hawthorn or Collingwood or Adelaide to go ahead of us so quickly. The reality is that there's no positives. No improvement. And our draft hand next year is probably #1 and nothing else until 50-something. We have no trade capital at all. But let's say we shaft Noble this week. Maybe Blakey steps in as an acting for the rest of the year, and we have someone else in Round 1, 2023. That would be Scott, Shaw, Noble, Blakey and ???? in 65 games of football. That's a disaster. Noble is on notice. He's out of contract so the club would be negligent if they didn't actively approach other options such as Clarkson or Buckley. But Noble hasn't done anything to earn unconditional support.

Personally, I'm embarrassed. Normally on a day we play and I can't go I'd still wear the club polo. Today, I couldn't as I knew we'd be smashed. I remember a time when a bad loss would stick in my guts for weeks. After watching another 10-goal loss it's just "meh". All I wanted was to not be last, and we failed to even do that. We've become synonymous for abject failure in the sport. David Noble isn't the cause of that - two decades of accepting mediocrity, just surviving counting as success, poor standards and lousy culture is more to blame - but he certainly hasn't remotely fixed it in 28 games.

There is no simple solution. No Brad Scott "quick fix". David Noble has no chance of being a premiership coach, not because of his capacity to coach but because of the turd sandwich he took on. That the club's official line is that it's going to get worse before it's going to get better is sadly correct.

I feel sorry for David Noble. Each week he has to sit there and explain away another inept performance by himself, his team and his club. There are zero positives about today's performance or season. Three 60+ losses in 4 weeks is pathetic. Hawthorn can beat Geelong. Adelaide can beat the Bulldogs. We are so far off being the next worst it is embarrassing.

If the club aren't considering getting an established coach then they are negligent in their role. But the problems run deeper than that. If Alistair Clarkson is truly a coaching genius, and if the AFL haven't already got in at the Suns/Giants, then we are still a decade off it - if we last that long.

So depressing.

I don't think anyone is seriously calling for his head today. But the team ran out yesterday and looked disinterested from the start. How? Not pumped. Looked like they didn't want to be there - coach has to take the heat for that. Agree, he has the year, of course. And lets face it - I don't think we can get any worse.