Past Coach NMFC Senior Coach - David Noble has parted ways with NMFC

[shimaburnsgrieg]

Alright what was the catalyst for Melbournes rise.
was it the recruitment of May/Lever in 18/19?
The two year stint of Darren Burgess?
lucky drafting of Luke Jackson?

because at the end of ’19 there was a whole of supporters who were calling for heads.
they obviously had a plan but something clicked for them. After years of Godwin.

2 mid field guns developing at the same time in Trac and Oliver; the 2 key defenders you mentioned being recruited plus Kossie and Jackson getting drafted and having an immediate impact.

They had a few good players already on the list then developed a bunch of role players playing their role 100% of the time.

 

[DocSholl]

Cunnington is probably our only senior player who would get into multiple other sides. Maybe McDonald too. That's a huge issue in a rebuild.

 

[Only Forwards]

So you didn’t answer the question? You were asked how it will turn around and the response was simply because it has to?

Look at every rebuilding club around us? All of them have an identifiable brand and sound structures in place. We have a haphazard mess, which we are being asked to have blind faith in.

Are the magic footy fairies going to come in one night and clean it up? Because at this stage unless they do, I have no confidence in what is being done at the club to turn this around

Talk is cheap, Noble and Co need to start showing something otherwise it’s nothing but empty promises.

Did you only read the first line of my post?

I listed what happens if it doesn’t change in the immediate, medium and long term.

So it’ll have to turn or Noble et al will wind up out of jobs. The admin of the club will
Come under fire or the club itself will suffer if it drags on long enough.

As for overnight fairies, right now what levers can actually be pulled?

Moves I think would make us more competitive in the short term:

We bring in Comben as a forward and drop one of X and Goldy.

We play Corr as the 2nd KPD and move to a more agile player playing the third tall.

We play Tom Lynch in the third tall forward role.

We move Jack into the guts because the reason he was moved out of there was he couldn’t be in there with Cunners.

We could also play a tagger.

Whether we see any of that who knows, some of those moves are not future focused so I doubt it.

 

[Mixed Results]

There'll be plenty of conversation in the media. King started it long ago. It's good business for them. They'd love a PL style coaching carousel.

The club will have enough strength and common sense not to be driven the media narrative.

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At the same time, he doesn't have a blank cheque to lose every game by 100 points.

For the first time in his career, the discussion of a pass mark for David Noble needs to start and the hypothetical scenario where the onfield product gets worse is a reasonable thing for supporters to speculate on at this stage. My best guess is that he survives the season, but it's naive to pretend that the scenario where he is fired midseason doesn't exist.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Ive seen enough.

There is no discernible way we move the football.

There is no defensive structure.

There is no plan from a kick outs.

We play a ruckman as a second KPF.

The skill level across the list is abysmal.

The level of self sabotage is something to behold.

 

[Passmore]

At the same time, he doesn't have a blank cheque to lose every game by 100 points.

For the first time in his career, the discussion of a pass mark for David Noble needs to start and the hypothetical scenario where the onfield product gets worse is a reasonable thing for supporters to speculate on at this stage. My best guess is that he survives the season, but it's naive to pretend that the scenario where he is fired midseason doesn't exist.

If we start losing every game by 100 points then sure .

If we're run by a media narrative we're in even more trouble.

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[William Caresser]

Alright what was the catalyst for Melbournes rise.
was it the recruitment of May/Lever in 18/19?
The two year stint of Darren Burgess?
lucky drafting of Luke Jackson?

because at the end of ’19 there was a whole of supporters who were calling for heads.
they obviously had a plan but something clicked for them. After years of Godwin.

Ben Brown did say it was an eye opener how much harder they worked in preseason than us.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Ben Brown did say it was an eye opener how much harder they worked in preseason than us.

The training standard is not befitting a professional sporting team.

 

[Horizons_00]

Absolutely agree with this, we should be on the look out for people who want the challenge but we’ve just gutted the performance department, so it’s going to take some time.

unfortunately from the outside looking in weve got issues with the soft cap. because of such a large change over of staff in the last 24 months. so even to look at help, we’ve gotta clean the books.

Maybe Nobles needs some better support?

 

[William Caresser]

The argument to keep Noble on the basis that Richmond and Melbourne perservered with Hardwick and Goodwin doesn't really stick when you consider other long termers have failed. Like Ross Lyon at Freo, Cameron at GWS with that list and arguably Buckley. Stability might be a lead indicator of success but in no way does it guarantee it.

The other argument - that we're only 1.2 years into a rebuild and so should be patient - also doesn't necessarily cut it. The coaches' performance still has to be judged against criteria, regularly.

The start of each year is an important time to judge coaches because they've had all summer to prepare players, work on weaknesses (eg skills) build game plans etc. On this basis, Noble and co have failed badly - we've gone backwards in so many areas - skill, workrate, pressure, contested ball etc to the extent that we're not competitive.

We've gone backwards when the 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th year player cohorts all should've improved with that extra year.

That's why the club has to consider its options. Senior coaching obviously isn't easy - only very few can do it well or very well.

Looking at the alternatives, there's no way Clarkson would accept our skill level. He has a proven track record of building highly skilled, successful sides and being ruthless at weeding out non-performers, no matter how senior. I'm not sure the club should be ignoring that.

 

[Roosurgence]

Ive seen enough.

There is no discernible way we move the football.

There is no defensive structure.

There is no plan from a kick outs.

We play a ruckman as a second KPF.

The skill level across the list is abysmal.

The level of self sabotage is something to behold.

I am guessing you are not in the cross your nutz and hope it comes good crew

I’m with you 100%

People are now passing off Noble’s coaching flaws as a player issue, which is just garbage.

Even young players can play a game style, they might not execute it well all the time, but it still can be seen.

There is no game style and we look to have a coach that has no idea on what he actually wants them to do?

 

[teethmeetsflesh]

The argument to keep Noble on the basis that Richmond and Melbourne perservered with Hardwick and Goodwin doesn't really stick when you consider other long termers have failed. Like Ross Lyon at Freo, Cameron at GWS with that list and arguably Buckley. Stability might be a lead indicator of success but in no way does it guarantee it.

The other argument - that we're only 1.2 years into a rebuild and so should be patient - also doesn't necessarily cut it. The coaches' performance still has to be judged against criteria, regularly.

The start of each year is an important time to judge coaches because they've had all summer to prepare players, work on weaknesses (eg skills) build game plans etc. On this basis, Noble and co have failed badly - we've gone backwards in so many areas - skill, workrate, pressure, contested ball etc to the extent that we're not competitive.

We've gone backwards when the 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th year player cohorts all should've improved with that extra year.

That's why the club has to consider its options. Senior coaching obviously isn't easy - only very few can do it well or very well.

Looking at the alternatives, there's no way Clarkson would accept our skill level. He has a proven track record of building highly skilled, successful sides and being ruthless at weeding out non-performers, no matter how senior. I'm not sure the club should be ignoring that.

Hardwick came with a lot more experience at a successful club (plus, he had his whole support team ripped out and replaced) while Goodwin had much more knowledge of the system and support leading up to him being appointed. DN was never a coach. I'm not advocating for DN to be sacked, btw - you just need to compare apples with apples.

From admin and membership to player dev and game-day performance, we don't appear to have any standards anywhere. Given the ilk of our senior players (they are sh*t) we really need to invest in a much more experienced coaching staff - not some blokes who were available when we needed them.

 

[LB2Snake]

I don’t claim to have an acute knowledge of structures etc, but there really does seem to be no discernible way we defend or attack.
It’s actually bizarre. We look like a local footy side at times.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

I don’t claim to have an acute knowledge of structures etc, but there really does seem to be no discernible way we defend or attack.
It’s actually bizarre. We look like a local footy side at times.

The fact that we can’t move the ball fluently, or stop the opposition from doing so, is all you need to see.

 

[Roosurgence]

I don’t claim to have an acute knowledge of structures etc, but there really does seem to be no discernible way we defend or attack.
It’s actually bizarre. We look like a local footy side at times.

We play like a side that has no belief in what we are being instructed to do.

The amount of players that have started to go into selfish mode is a a big red flag.

 

[shimaburnsgrieg]

I grew up on a farm and next to our farm was a dairy with about 100 cows. I was always fascinated how the farmer was able to round up the cows on the farm so efficiently on a daily basis for milking.

As I went to school with the farmers son I was often down at that dairy. One day the farmers son and I had to herd the cows for milking and while he'd done it with his dad before, I had never herded cows before but I was excited to try.

We were about 10 or 11 yo at the time so off we went to herd the cows on foot like it's always done. This process usually takes 1 to an hour and a half to do but at the 1.5 hour mark of our quest we were still chasing cows who had moved away from the pack. We'd get one cow back and another gets away. There was no control and my mate kept yelling at me to get behind the pack but each time I did the pack would start to split. That's because I was too close to the pack according to the colourful feedback I copped at the time.

While it was the same cattle that were obedient and in unison when being managed by the farmer, they turned into disobedient, clueless stupid cows when the son and I did it. Some going that way, some going the other way and some just standing there looking at you like you're a complete moron.

David Nobel is the farmers son at present, knows what needs to be done but can't get the cows and his assistants to execute.

Unfortunately David doesn't have the luxury of the Farmers experience to lean on.

This will take time and more mistakes. Hang tight and support the team the best you can to at least the end of the year. He deserves at least that. You never know soon things may just start to click with individuals and as a team.

Up the mighty Kangas.

How many years did it take the senior farmer to get the experience required to get the job done?

 

[Roosurgence]

How many years did it take the senior farmer to get the experience required to get the job done?

If we are looking for quality farmers, maybe Cunners can take on the gig of playing coach?

 

[Firebat]

We play like a side that has no belief in what we are being instructed to do.

The amount of players that have started to go into selfish mode is a a big red flag.

Yeah, this 100%. No player has confidence that others will be there to support them. Makes our guys start making shizen decisions which ultimately ruins any type of structure you try and have.

This team is so boring, and there is such little resilience when the going gets tough.

 

[justroyal]

Maybe Nobles needs some better support?

But didn’t he hand pick his team?

 

[Only Forwards]

But didn’t he hand pick his team?

Blakey was appointed before Noble.

Gavin Brown has been there for a million years.

Heath Younie he selected

Who knows about Rocca, I assume it was because he was cheap.

So the senior members of the coaching group predate him.

 

[Waussie]

I grew up on a farm and next to our farm was a dairy with about 100 cows. I was always fascinated how the farmer was able to round up the cows on the farm so efficiently on a daily basis for milking.

As I went to school with the farmers son I was often down at that dairy. One day the farmers son and I had to herd the cows for milking and while he'd done it with his dad before, I had never herded cows before but I was excited to try.

We were about 10 or 11 yo at the time so off we went to herd the cows on foot like it's always done. This process usually takes 1 to an hour and a half to do but at the 1.5 hour mark of our quest we were still chasing cows who had moved away from the pack. We'd get one cow back and another gets away. There was no control and my mate kept yelling at me to get behind the pack but each time I did the pack would start to split. That's because I was too close to the pack according to the colourful feedback I copped at the time.

While it was the same cattle that were obedient and in unison when being managed by the farmer, they turned into disobedient, clueless stupid cows when the son and I did it. Some going that way, some going the other way and some just standing there looking at you like you're a complete moron.

David Nobel is the farmers son at present, knows what needs to be done but can't get the cows and his assistants to execute.

Unfortunately David doesn't have the luxury of the Farmers experience to lean on.

This will take time and more mistakes. Hang tight and support the team the best you can to at least the end of the year. He deserves at least that. You never know soon things may just start to click with individuals and as a team.

Up the mighty Kangas.

Time for a big bbq

 

[deano28]

There was a bit of talk around last year that there were a number of people at the club some of which were players ( particularly the younger guys ) that were unhappy with the way Nobes was communicating his message. I’m told that this was all sorted mid year in a meeting . I hope that we aren’t seeing some of this playing out again with someone like Powell .

 

[shimaburnsgrieg]

There was a bit of talk around last year that there were a number of people at the club some of which were players ( particularly the younger guys ) that were unhappy with the way Nobes was communicating his message. I’m told that this was all sorted mid year in a meeting . I hope that we aren’t seeing some of this playing out again with someone like Powell .

Jy's 'liking' of a post saying where is Tom Powell would suggest it may still be a problem.

 

[William Caresser]

Hardwick came with a lot more experience at a successful club (plus, he had his whole support team ripped out and replaced) while Goodwin had much more knowledge of the system and support leading up to him being appointed. DN was never a coach. I'm not advocating for DN to be sacked, btw - you just need to compare apples with apples.

The point I was making was that just because it worked for Richmond and Melbourne once, doesn't mean it's worked a whole lot of other times, irrespective of assistant coaching experience.

And assistant experience at successful clubs is no indicator whatsoever of success. Ask Carlton about Bolton and Melbourne about Neeld.

Our list has enough experience and enough talent not to be as glaringly uncompetitive as it has been this year. It's an indictment of what the coaches did over summer and it's not sustainable.

 

[Mav]

I grew up on a farm and next to our farm was a dairy with about 100 cows. I was always fascinated how the farmer was able to round up the cows on the farm so efficiently on a daily basis for milking.

As I went to school with the farmers son I was often down at that dairy. One day the farmers son and I had to herd the cows for milking and while he'd done it with his dad before, I had never herded cows before but I was excited to try.

We were about 10 or 11 yo at the time so off we went to herd the cows on foot like it's always done. This process usually takes 1 to an hour and a half to do but at the 1.5 hour mark of our quest we were still chasing cows who had moved away from the pack. We'd get one cow back and another gets away. There was no control and my mate kept yelling at me to get behind the pack but each time I did the pack would start to split. That's because I was too close to the pack according to the colourful feedback I copped at the time.

While it was the same cattle that were obedient and in unison when being managed by the farmer, they turned into disobedient, clueless stupid cows when the son and I did it. Some going that way, some going the other way and some just standing there looking at you like you're a complete moron.

David Nobel is the farmers son at present, knows what needs to be done but can't get the cows and his assistants to execute.

Unfortunately David doesn't have the luxury of the Farmers experience to lean on.

This will take time and more mistakes. Hang tight and support the team the best you can to at least the end of the year. He deserves at least that. You never know soon things may just start to click with individuals and as a team.

Up the mighty Kangas.

you forgot to take the dogs, right?