Past Coach NMFC Senior Coach - David Noble has parted ways with NMFC

[William Caresser]

well, like you, I've got a brain stem, but:

I. Do. Not. Think. Four. Coaches. In. Four. Years. Will. Fix. Anything.

Paul Roos was Melbourne's 4th coach in 5 years after they got rid of Bailey, Neeld and Craig (who while only coaching for 11 games wanted the job).

Carlton have had 3 coaches since 2019. Looks like they might've got it right this time.

No point keeping a coach if it's not working.

 

[Psicosis]

Classified putting more heat on him.

Get used to it David, this is what happens to North Melbourne people.

 

[Waussie]

I’m not looking for blood, but I can’t make sense of it. In his conference he says he needs Powell to do a couple more weeks of that intensity in the VFL. Yet, there are guys in the seniors who are consistently flying under the radar getting passes? And then we should be ok with two backs? Yeah, but do you want to take that risk, Noble? Like going into the season with 2 legitimate KP backs?

Also, round 2-3 I think he said in a conference that people are wanting to know what’s going on, fans too. And he said it stays between the he four walls, but we know what we’re doing. It’s starting to become a little unhinged.

It was a nothing presser.....nothing he can say and clearly nothing he can do.

He has lost a large portion of the playing group and is struggling to keep a handle on it
The Powell comment just made him look like a fool.

 

[big_e]

Paul Roos was Melbourne's 4th coach in 5 years after they got rid of Bailey, Neeld and Craig (who while only coaching for 11 games wanted the job).

Carlton have had 3 coaches since 2019. Looks like they might've got it right this time.

No point keeping a coach if it's not working.

You could equally make the argument that Melbourne sacked Bailey too early.

They were last, then 12th with eight wins, and 12th on 8.5 wins with three games to go when they sacked him for the 186 point loss.

And of course that started yet another rebuild, under Mark Neeld - and we all know how that turned out.

Had they held their nerve, you never know what might have happened...


Fun fact: Mark Neeld and Damien Hardwick both started with nine straight losses.

 

[Passmore]

Classified putting more heat on him.

Get used to it David, this is what happens to North Melbourne people.

He won't give a shit.

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[bennymate]

If only to play the leaked Rocket Eade audio.

Rocket rocket rocket we can't hear mate we can't hear

 

[The Lone Latic]

However he didn't factor in how quickly our seasoned players pick up on slack and go running off when they sense an inch (ahem) is on offer.

Which goes to show what a joke our leaders and seasoned players are. You go hard on them, the place and morale crumbles. You lighten up a bit and they think they run the joint.

The foundations of the playing group is pathetic if this indeed the case but how do you fix it without turfing off of them out? There's no way to turnover 50-60% of a playing list in 1 go and for it to be all seasoned players, leaving the young ones to the wolves. And recruiting from other clubs wouldn't necessarily work because good clubs don't let good players leave, such is the culture they are able to build.

 

[Themanbun]

Which goes to show what a joke our leaders and seasoned players are. You go hard on them, the place and morale crumbles. You lighten up a bit and they think they run the joint.

The foundations of the playing group is pathetic if this indeed the case but how do you fix it without turfing off of them out? There's no way to turnover 50-60% of a playing list in 1 go and for it to be all seasoned players, leaving the young ones to the wolves. And recruiting from other clubs wouldn't necessarily work because good clubs don't let good players leave, such is the culture they are able to build.

May I politely question which senior leaders we're talking about?

Cunners? has been absent for obvious reasons but is known as a very professional athlete.

Ziebell? well I haven't heard a bad word about him taking 'slack' and running with it.

Hally? has mentored Tarryn and helped to improve his approach to footy professionalism. Kept pushing for medical diagnoses when he suspected something wasn't right and eventually got the operation he needed to be able to push himself. Has done so and since worked so hard on his running that he's now one of our best.

Turner? I don't rate him, but putting in is the one thing people seem to rate about him.

Simpkin? Works his ass off. No more needed.

McDonald? Another who does a lot of extras and doesn't let up these days, which is what everyone commented when he won the Syd.

Greenwood? Don't know much about him but people speak about these issues as if there are a core of senior players still on the list that preceded him and remain on the list.

Goldy? Don't know much about him.

I daresay that nearly every one of the blokes who took slack as something they can run with is gone from the list, and the vast majority have been gone for a number of years.

Almost everyone else on the list are either young and not 'senior core' or weren't senior under our old coach, or were brought in by the new crew.

I keep hearing on bigfooty that our senior players think they run the show and slack off if they're not micromanaged. I'm struggling to think of who it is they're referring to. Maybe this was the case three years ago but the vast majority of that senior core are long gone.

 

[William Caresser]

You could equally make the argument that Melbourne sacked Bailey too early.

They were last, then 12th with eight wins, and 12th on 8.5 wins with three games to go when they sacked him for the 186 point loss.

And of course that started yet another rebuild, under Mark Neeld - and we all know how that turned out.

Had they held their nerve, you never know what might have happened...


Fun fact: Mark Neeld and Damien Hardwick both started with nine straight losses.

Obviously we'll never know if a sacked coach would've continued to fail or would've turned it around and succeeded.

But what we do know is that there are clubs that have moved on a number of coaches in a short number of years and then gone on and succeeded.

And there are clubs that have stuck with the one coach for years but at best made a prelim with a topped up, ripe list.

And so stability for stability's sake is no reason to retain a coach.

There have to be other criteria to retain or move on a coach even in the second year of a rebuild. When you start trending into uncompetitiveness, being belted two of every three weeks, with most players from the 2nd to 5th year cohorts not improving, you're skating on thin ice.

 

[blackshadow]

He has lost a large portion of the playing group and is struggling to keep a handle on it

Just how do you come to that conclusion?

It's nothing more than supposition on your part.

 

[Horizons_00]

What teams has Noble coached in his career? (Serious question)

 

[Mav]

What teams has Noble coached in his career? (Serious question)

assistant at the Dogs for 4 years, coached Glenelg for 2 years and was an assistant at Crows for 5 years

 

[Roosurgence]

It was a nothing presser.....nothing he can say and clearly nothing he can do.

He has lost a large portion of the playing group and is struggling to keep a handle on it
The Powell comment just made him look like a fool.

It was just bizarre to make a comment about consistency, when he has guys in his AFL side that have been hopeless all year?

I guess the same standard doesn’t apply to Turner, Atu, Young, Scott?

Why the **** won’t he play Comben when he is struggling to find any athletic talls?

 

[Roosurgence]

Just how do you come to that conclusion?

It's nothing more than supposition on your part.

It’s not a reach to conclude that when you look at the efforts being produced on field.

There are a lot of instances of players not chasing, tackling, competing. It’s a tell tale sign of players not playing for a coach.

If they were truly invested then you wouldn’t see a lot of these half arsed efforts.

 

[hilly]

Rocket rocket rocket we can't hear mate we can't hear

Sorry ma...look at Minson again heck you

 

[Roosurgence]

May I politely question which senior leaders we're talking about?

Cunners? has been absent for obvious reasons but is known as a very professional athlete.

Ziebell? well I haven't heard a bad word about him taking 'slack' and running with it.

Hally? has mentored Tarryn and helped to improve his approach to footy professionalism. Kept pushing for medical diagnoses when he suspected something wasn't right and eventually got the operation he needed to be able to push himself. Has done so and since worked so hard on his running that he's now one of our best.

Turner? I don't rate him, but putting in is the one thing people seem to rate about him.

Simpkin? Works his ass off. No more needed.

McDonald? Another who does a lot of extras and doesn't let up these days, which is what everyone commented when he won the Syd.

Greenwood? Don't know much about him but people speak about these issues as if there are a core of senior players still on the list that preceded him and remain on the list.

Goldy? Don't know much about him.

I daresay that nearly every one of the blokes who took slack as something they can run with is gone from the list, and the vast majority have been gone for a number of years.

Almost everyone else on the list are either young and not 'senior core' or weren't senior under our old coach, or were brought in by the new crew.

I keep hearing on bigfooty that our senior players think they run the show and slack off if they're not micromanaged. I'm struggling to think of who it is they're referring to. Maybe this was the case three years ago but the vast majority of that senior core are long gone.

I have bolded the Simpkin comment. Don’t be fooled by the stat sheet, he isn’t busting his arse. He works one way at the moment and is a big reason we are easy to score against, as he won’t work back the other way against his opposition midfielder.

 

[Only Forwards]

Why the fu** won’t he play Comben when he is struggling to find any athletic talls?

I would guess that he’s not playing Comben right now because the guy has been shown to be incredibly susceptible to injury and we are taking an incredibly conservative approach.

Because why wouldn’t we?

We rate the bloke through the roof and want him long term in our forward line and if we need to wear some poor losses to facilitate him being physically where we need him before bringing him into the AFL level where we are currently shambles it kinda makes sense.

I want to see Comben in the forward line. I think the cascading effect would be significant.

Am I within the medical team to know loads and output and wear on his body to make that call? No, and I doubt you are either.

 

[Passmore]

May I politely question which senior leaders we're talking about?

Cunners? has been absent for obvious reasons but is known as a very professional athlete.

Ziebell? well I haven't heard a bad word about him taking 'slack' and running with it.

Hally? has mentored Tarryn and helped to improve his approach to footy professionalism. Kept pushing for medical diagnoses when he suspected something wasn't right and eventually got the operation he needed to be able to push himself. Has done so and since worked so hard on his running that he's now one of our best.

Turner? I don't rate him, but putting in is the one thing people seem to rate about him.

Simpkin? Works his ass off. No more needed.

McDonald? Another who does a lot of extras and doesn't let up these days, which is what everyone commented when he won the Syd.

Greenwood? Don't know much about him but people speak about these issues as if there are a core of senior players still on the list that preceded him and remain on the list.

Goldy? Don't know much about him.

I daresay that nearly every one of the blokes who took slack as something they can run with is gone from the list, and the vast majority have been gone for a number of years.

Almost everyone else on the list are either young and not 'senior core' or weren't senior under our old coach, or were brought in by the new crew.

I keep hearing on bigfooty that our senior players think they run the show and slack off if they're not micromanaged. I'm struggling to think of who it is they're referring to. Maybe this was the case three years ago but the vast majority of that senior core are long gone.

I’d be thinking the lack of quality and quantity is more of an issue than work ethic.

 

[Roosurgence]

I would guess that he’s not playing Comben right now because the guy has been shown to be incredibly susceptible to injury and we are taking an incredibly conservative approach.

Because why wouldn’t we?

We rate the bloke through the roof and want him long term in our forward line and if we need to wear some poor losses to facilitate him being physically where we need him before bringing him into the AFL level where we are currently shambles it kinda makes sense.

I want to see Comben in the forward line. I think the cascading effect would be significant.

Am I within the medical team to know loads and output and wear on his body to make that call? No, and I doubt you are either.

Where is this commentary about loads and getting his body right coming from? He is playing full games in the VFL.

Do people think they play touch footy in the VFL?

He has just as much chance of doing an injury in the VFL as he would at AFL level, if not more with the scrappiness at that level.

It’s not like he is playing a half or 3 quarters and building his fitness base, he is playing the full game.

Don’t be fooled into thinking VFL defenders are soft and he will have an easy ride. Some of this blokes hit just as hard as any AFL level defender.

 

[Passmore]

I would guess that he’s not playing Comben right now because the guy has been shown to be incredibly susceptible to injury and we are taking an incredibly conservative approach.

Because why wouldn’t we?

We rate the bloke through the roof and want him long term in our forward line and if we need to wear some poor losses to facilitate him being physically where we need him before bringing him into the AFL level where we are currently shambles it kinda makes sense.

I want to see Comben in the forward line. I think the cascading effect would be significant.

Am I within the medical team to know loads and output and wear on his body to make that call? No, and I doubt you are either.

I’d imagine we’re more interested in setting Comben up for long term success than to appease the vocal, whiny minority on social media. It’s not a stretch to assume we’re doing the same with Powell.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

I’d imagine we’re more interested in setting Comben up for long term success than to appease the vocal, whiny minority on social media. It’s not a stretch to assume we’re doing the same with Powell.

Exhibit A - the post above yours.

 

[William Caresser]

May I politely question which senior leaders we're talking about?

Cunners? has been absent for obvious reasons but is known as a very professional athlete.

Ziebell? well I haven't heard a bad word about him taking 'slack' and running with it.

Hally? has mentored Tarryn and helped to improve his approach to footy professionalism. Kept pushing for medical diagnoses when he suspected something wasn't right and eventually got the operation he needed to be able to push himself. Has done so and since worked so hard on his running that he's now one of our best.

Turner? I don't rate him, but putting in is the one thing people seem to rate about him.

Simpkin? Works his ass off. No more needed.

McDonald? Another who does a lot of extras and doesn't let up these days, which is what everyone commented when he won the Syd.

Greenwood? Don't know much about him but people speak about these issues as if there are a core of senior players still on the list that preceded him and remain on the list.

Goldy? Don't know much about him.

I daresay that nearly every one of the blokes who took slack as something they can run with is gone from the list, and the vast majority have been gone for a number of years.

Almost everyone else on the list are either young and not 'senior core' or weren't senior under our old coach, or were brought in by the new crew.

I keep hearing on bigfooty that our senior players think they run the show and slack off if they're not micromanaged. I'm struggling to think of who it is they're referring to. Maybe this was the case three years ago but the vast majority of that senior core are long gone.

When you look at the Tracker, last year the opposition had more sprints and collectively ran/moved further than us nearly every week. This year we've improved in both areas most weeks - however, anyone who went to the Bulldogs game would've seen us unable to keep up with them. The Tracker is giving no data for that game. And we lack guys who can bust out 15-16km whereas the top sides don't and have them in multiple positions.

One area we're still weak in is inside mid pressure. We're way below Melbourne's mids for example (Oliver, Petracca and Viney average ~ 27) whereas Simpkin is at 16, UDL 20, Greenwood 24, J H-F 16, Thomas last year 19, this year half that but injured for 1 game.

In preseason Daniel McPherson, GM Football Performance did say as couple of our players could be anything if they worked on their running. Remember thinking that was a bit of a dig from the new guy. And when Ben Brown said he was astounded at how much harder Melbourne worked in preseason than us, you have to worry about the culture that's been built up over years.

Fitness coaches can only do so much. They can set the right program but if a group of players at one club works harder at that same program, obviously they'll be better prepared.

80 turnovers a game doesn't help one bit, nothing saps energy and morale like chasing tail after yet another basic skill error.

 

[ferball]

Where is this commentary about loads and getting his body right coming from? He is playing full games in the VFL.

Do people think they play touch footy in the VFL?

He has just as much chance of doing an injury in the VFL as he would at AFL level, if not more with the scrappiness at that level.

It’s not like he is playing a half or 3 quarters and building his fitness base, he is playing the full game.

Don’t be fooled into thinking VFL defenders are soft and he will have an easy ride. Some of this blokes hit just as hard as any AFL level defender.

Yes. Some do, but not all of them and not necessarily two or three of them at every contest.

Compare our backline. McKay, Corr and Walker all hit harder than the guys in the VFL. We're an extreme example sure cos our KPD stocks are thin, but even if we got another KPD to push Walker into the VFL he is still down there with Hoare and McGuiness who aren't as big, hard or fast as McKay.

Melbourne's senior backline is ****en scary. Their reserves backline has one or two scary players in it. Playing their reserve's side will be less damaging on someone's body but enable them to still cop bigger hits and toughen up a bit.

I think the point you are either missing or refusing to acknowledge and accept is that playing footy at any level for a few years hardens your body up. The higher the level the harder, more intense and more frequent the contact obviously, but at any level it works. Even for school kids or country third graders. Chom hasn't had this ongoing physical conditioning since he was in high school so the footy dept. obviously want to manage his exposure to contact. Especially considering his injury history. If his bones can't cope with the contact at any level he won't have a career but if a few months of less intense battering can harden them up a bit (similar to kicking bamboo with your shins to strengthen the bones,) then he's more likely to avoid that situation and have a career.

 

[Roosurgence]

Yes. Some do, but not all of them and not necessarily two or three of them at every contest.

Compare our backline. McKay, Corr and Walker all hit harder than the guys in the VFL. We're an extreme example sure cos our KPD stocks are thin, but even if we got another KPD to push Walker into the VFL he is still down there with Hoare and McGuiness who aren't as big, hard or fast as McKay.

Melbourne's senior backline is fu**en scary. Their reserves backline has one or two scary players in it. Playing their reserve's side will be less damaging on someone's body but enable them to still cop bigger hits and toughen up a bit.

I think the point you are either missing or refusing to acknowledge and accept is that playing footy at any level for a few years hardens your body up. The higher the level the harder, more intense and more frequent the contact obviously, but at any level it works. Even for school kids or country third graders. Chom hasn't had this ongoing physical conditioning since he was in high school so the footy dept. obviously want to manage his exposure to contact. Especially considering his injury history. If his bones can't cope with the contact at any level he won't have a career but if a few months of less intense battering can harden them up a bit (similar to kicking bamboo with your shins to strengthen the bones,) then he's more likely to avoid that situation and have a career.

I think you are watching something different to I am.

Melbourne’s backline is not brutal. They are well structured and athletically elite. They play an intercept brand more than a crash and bash defence.

I am telling you now, he has just as much chance of being injured in a VFL game than at AFL level.

The way people carry on, maybe this guy should be playing touch footy if they want to limit his exposure to contact?

 

[blackshadow]

It’s a tell tale sign of players not paying for a coach.

Last time I checked the club pays for the coach...