Past Coach NMFC Senior Coach - David Noble has parted ways with NMFC

[Passmore]

‘If you can’t describe what you’re doing as a process, then you don’t know what you’re doing’

W. Edwards Deming

Quite rightly we’re keeping the process secret so no one steals it.

 

[blackshadow]

Fair enough. How would you like him to word it?

 

[hilly]

‘If you can’t describe what you’re doing as a process, then you don’t know what you’re doing’

W. Edwards Deming

'Money talks, money talks. Dirty cash I want you, dirty cash I need you, ooh'.

W.Shakespeare

 

[Mav]

'Money talks, money talks. Dirty cash I want you, dirty cash I need you, ooh'.

W.Shakespeare

Aha
All the things I could do, if I had a little money. It’s a rich mans world.
B. Andersson

 

[King Corey]

I'm going to guess at 2 issues in Noble's coaching to date based only on what he's said or given an air of publicly.

1. "Not sweating the small things". He mentioned early on how he's softened with age, won't over-discipline over lateness to meetings etc. I get it, my suspicion is the Shaw-Rawlings stint mechanically tried to instil standards and play tough guys, but just torched morale.

So maybe Noble got a sense the whole place needed a pressure release to focus less on the minutiae and more on what will make a difference.

However he didn't factor in how quickly our seasoned players pick up on slack and go running off when they sense an inch (ahem) is on offer.

The remedy would be to double down on standards he let slip, not by carelessness but a well-meaning intent. Perhaps that's what he's attempting now.

2. This is more speculative - Noble had a decade of senior managerial roles. He would've learnt the importance of delegation and letting his team perform their duties without micromanagement.

But he might've underestimated just how much the various roles around a club roll up to the senior coach. His late appointment in 2020 post trade and draft planning might've exacerbated this and set a template for him to intrude less than he should into the peripheries.

As a result the list managers and recruiters might've barricaded their silos from him - when a senior coach probably does sometimes need to be a micromanaging prick and take charge to ensure their list is balanced and competitive. Basically I wonder if a leftover from David's football manager is that he's giving some areas too much leg rope in fear of being too controlling.

Because right now, everytime a ball hits the ground and there's nobody around (except for a first gamer) to crumb it or Ben McKay

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goes missing and our replacement is a 0 gamer with a negative BMI, he should put his forearm across Glen Luff's throat, slam him into a locker and issue a stern "WTF?".

 

[r_boy]

Fact check:

Dogs were shit when he was assistant there
Bulldogs finishes while Noble at club: 3, 5, 8, 10, 12

Glenelg worse when he was senior coach
Glenelg finishes while Noble at club: (previous 3 years: 9th), 8, 7 (next 3 years: 8, 6, 4)

Adelaide very average
Crows finishes while Noble at club: 3, 3, 8, 7, 5, 11, 14, 3, 11, 10, 6, 6

Lions went alright
Lions finishes while Noble at club: 18, 15, 5, 4

Spoon to top 5, 2 years later? Where do I sign?

Note: this is not an endorsement of David Noble but a fact check of the original claims

Noble is absolutely the bloke we need right now. We need to support him but also the everyone at the club has to have an honest look at how to move forward from here.

 

[Merlin007]

I'm going to guess at 2 issues in Noble's coaching to date based only on what he's said or given an air of publicly.

1. "Not sweating the small things". He mentioned early on how he's softened with age, won't over-discipline over lateness to meetings etc. I get it, my suspicion is the Shaw-Rawlings stint mechanically tried to instil standards and play tough guys, but just torched morale.

So maybe Noble got a sense the whole place needed a pressure release to focus less on the minutiae and more on what will make a difference.

However he didn't factor in how quickly our seasoned players pick up on slack and go running off when they sense an inch (ahem) is on offer.

The remedy would be to double down on standards he let slip, not by carelessness but a well-meaning intent. Perhaps that's what he's attempting now.

2. This is more speculative - Noble had a decade of senior managerial roles. He would've learnt the importance of delegation and letting his team perform their duties without micromanagement.

But he might've underestimated just how much the various roles around a club roll up to the senior coach. His late appointment in 2020 post trade and draft planning might've exacerbated this and set a template for him to intrude less than he should into the peripheries.

As a result the list managers and recruiters might've barricaded their silos from him - when a senior coach probably does sometimes need to be a micromanaging prick and take charge to ensure their list is balanced and competitive. Basically I wonder if a leftover from David's football manager is that he's giving some areas too much leg rope in fear of being too controlling.

Because right now, everytime a ball hits the ground and there's nobody around (except for a first gamer) to crumb it or Ben McKay goes missing and our replacement is a 0 gamer with a negative BMI, he should put his forearm across Glen Luff's throat, slam him into a locker and issue a stern "WTF?".

good to know there's a few who understand the football program isn't all down to the head coach. It's truly remarkable that the most consistent criticism of Brad Scott was that he was the grand poo-bah, and now we've got a more diversified program leadership, and yet it's still all the head coach's fault

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

No one with a brain stem could look at the way we’re playing and come to those conclusions.

Get. Rid. Of.

 

[Merlin007]

No one with a brain stem could look at the way we’re playing and come to those conclusions.

Get. Rid. Of.

well, like you, I've got a brain stem, but:

I. Do. Not. Think. Four. Coaches. In. Four. Years. Will. Fix. Anything.

 

[Spud11]

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Effort.

 

[AnEmptyChair]

well, like you, I've got a brain stem, but:

I. Do. Not. Think. Four. Coaches. In. Four. Years. Will. Fix. Anything.

If it's Simmo or CLarko then I think it would

but i don't want another untried, untested coach. It's either someone who's been there and done it and commands respect from the players and everyone at the club or we stay the course until at least the end of next year, no matter how frustrating

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

well, like you, I've got a brain stem, but:

I. Do. Not. Think. Four. Coaches. In. Four. Years. Will. Fix. Anything.

Conversely, stability for stability sake is a fools game.

If we approached Clarkson, and he was willing and able, I’d pack up Noble’s things by myself free of charge.

 

[Billy Not Really]

Most bizarre press conference I've seen so far from Nobes, I am struggling to see what he's seeing here with who's likely to be in and stay, the defense problem and who can cover it, everything really.

 

[DuckYeah]

Time for the boys to put the gloves on and stand inside the ring. Then beat the absolute campaigner out of the coaches

 

[RossHenshaw]

Most bizarre press conference I've seen so far from Nobes, I am struggling to see what he's seeing here with who's likely to be in and stay, the defense problem and who can cover it, everything really.

 

[Kangaroos techno]

'The two ruck set up we like’
‘Goldy playing his role well’

The problem might be deeper than we think...he might need to do a psych eval because no one in their right mind would think this.

 

[Sillygit]

If it's Simmo or CLarko then I think it would

but i don't want another untried, untested coach. It's either someone who's been there and done it and commands respect from the players and everyone at the club or we stay the course until at least the end of next year, no matter how frustrating

How is simmo going these days?

 

[AnEmptyChair]

How is simmo going these days?

lol he's a two time grand final, one time premiership coach who introduced a defensive system that has arguably had the biggest influence on the way all teams now defend than other in the last 10 years. The last 12 months, where his team are aging and experiencing a lot of injury and illness, doesn't discount any of that.

Furthermore, he's a 300 game former captain and premiership player who understands the culture of the club. that also matters

 

[teethmeetsflesh]

lol he's a two time grand final, one time premiership coach who introduced a defensive system that has arguably had the biggest influence on the way all teams now defend than other in the last 10 years. The last 12 months, where his team are aging and experiencing a lot of injury and illness, doesn't discount any of that.

Furthermore, he's a 300 game former captain and premiership player who understands the culture of the club. that also matters

Yeah, I'd go simmo. Very romantic

 

[Pagans Paddock99]

In all seriousness, the payout to Brad Scott whilst under contract, Rhyce Shaw

Rhyce Shaw

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and Potentially David Nobel would mean we would have no room left in the soft cap to even consider an offer to Clarkson? Didn’t we also reach a settlement to sack all our assistants around the Rhyce Shaw

Rhyce Shaw

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period (Jade Rawlings

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etc)?

I’m not saying I am agreeing with the increases discussion around replacing the coach, but it may not even be a possibility for a couple of years due to having to payout multiple coaches that were under under contract, in a short period?




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[Sillygit]

Yeah, I'd go simmo. Very romantic

Exactly, romantic...

 

[Sillygit]

lol he's a two time grand final, one time premiership coach who introduced a defensive system that has arguably had the biggest influence on the way all teams now defend than other in the last 10 years. The last 12 months, where his team are aging and experiencing a lot of injury and illness, doesn't discount any of that.

Furthermore, he's a 300 game former captain and premiership player who understands the culture of the club. that also matters

If it doesnt, then he wont be available.

 

[DesertRoo]

In all seriousness, the payout to Brad Scott whilst under contract, Rhyce Shaw and Potentially David Nobel would mean we would have no room left in the soft cap to even consider an offer to Clarkson? Didn’t we also reach a settlement to sack all our assistants around the Rhyce Shaw period (Jade Rawlings etc)?

I’m not saying I am agreeing with the increases discussion around replacing the coach, but it may not even be a possibility for a couple of years due to having to payout multiple coaches that were under under contract, in a short period?




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gets it….

David’s desperately in the need of senior experience along side, but dumping the whole fitness department would be costly also..
we’re at ground zero

 

[northbergs]

Yeah, I'd go simmo. Very romantic

Our best performing teams during H&A seasons in the last 25 years were ex-players (Pagan and Laidley) who understand the fabric and culture of the Club, and no doubt were able to draw on that to motivate the playing group (combined with game day coaching tactical nouse).

I feel like someone who understands and respects the club, backed up by results as a Coach that will be recognised by the playing group, is what we need to consider if this ship doesn’t right itself over the next 16 weeks.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Our best performing teams during H&A seasons in the last 25 years were ex-players (Pagan and Laidley) who understand the fabric and culture of the Club, and no doubt were able to draw on that to motivate the playing group (combined with game day coaching tactical nouse).

I feel like someone who understands and respects the club, backed up by results as a Coach that will be recognised by the playing group, is what we need to consider if this ship doesn’t right itself over the next 16 weeks.

Only one of those two had "results as a Coach that will be recognised by the playing group".

And that one had Carey.