Past Coach NMFC Senior Coach - David Noble has parted ways with NMFC

[Mr Lloyd Christmas]

He has my support at least until the end of the season.

Our list is shocking and that's why i'm giving him more leeway than some.

If we are playing anywhere near this level at this stage next season then yes, it would be times up David and another person is given their chance.

 

[Bulge]

Alternative hypothesis, without evidence to back it up: maybe some players from previous regimes don't like being put through the rigour of training and expectations of an AFL standard.

That most of the only players even close to putting in the required level of effort (CCJ, Curtis, JHF) are new to the club tells me something about culture, expectation, and what's been accepted in the past.

Certainly doesn't excuse some list management decisions, though.

 

[The Lone Latic]

For the rebuild to be successful we need the older players until the younger players are ready to step up.
Our young midfield we benefit from roving from someone like Goldy.

But if your older players are part of the root cause of the problem, you're still screwed 6 ways to Sunday. There's no easy answer because if they refuse to buy in due to being set in their ways (which speaks to who they are as players) you can't turf all of them out in 1 shot

 

[Masked Avenger]

Noble has one alibi and that is we have the most inneffectual collection of over 26 players in the league. That's where your leadership and your core competitiveness comes from in any team. A few are willing but virtually all of them are unable and that destroys confidence. Whatever we're doing wrong, we're clearly lacking confidence.

To be fair, I'm not sure Clarkson rolled into Pagan is going to get much more out of that group.

 

[Ashley B]

The way it is looking it won’t be too long until the new batch will be running the agenda and leading us. We need change . But there will be ,as we can see, lots of growing pains to contend with.

 

[Themanbun]

Noble has one alibi to and that is we have the most inneffectual collection of over 26 players in the league. That's where your leadership and your core competitiveness comes from in any team. A few are willing but virtually all of them are unable and that destroys confidence. Whatever we're doing wrong, we're clearly lacking confidence.

To be fair, 'm not sure Clarkson rolled into Pagan is going to get much more out of that group.

I think that held up right until a younger and less experienced midfield annihilated our early 20s golden boys last night.

 

[muttley45]

Once upon a time, even during a pretty unsuccessful period onfield, i could enjoy watching new, young talent come into the team and show improvement, and development, sadly, the opposite is now happening.

 

[ferball]

Players get rid of coaches all the time especially if there are disagreements

Yeah but they haven't shown up properly all season. So the coach had lost the players before the season started?

Then they are sooks. Unless something specific happened - like a personality conbflict where Noble was a right campaigner.

They gonna kick the next prick out too cos he tells them to lift their game?

 

[ferball]

But if your older players are part of the root cause of the problem, you're still screwed 6 ways to Sunday. There's no easy answer because if they refuse to buy in due to being set in their ways (which speaks to who they are as players) you can't turf all of them out in 1 shot

We've taken two seasons so far....

 

[rickety]

We've taken two seasons so far....

Mighta thrown out the wrong blokes

 

[shintemaster]

Mighta thrown out the wrong blokes

Leaving aside contracts - I’d take Pittard with his flaws every day over Polec for example to lead a young group.

 

[DesertRoo]

There’s certainly a disconnect between the supports expectations and results.
everyone on here prematch said we’d be lose by 80 points plus, it happens and everyone wants to sack the coach…
watched the presser and Nobel knows exactly where we’re at;
good, bad or indifferent. hes a realist, strangely enough seems supporters are not.

As an outsider, id personally love to know what their goals are this year..
maybe workloads during the week have increased, to the point the players simply can’t run on match day, maybe they’ve burnt the year, in the knowledge that increased workloads will benefit in the long run, rather then playing impossible catch ups in the preseason.
maybe that’s why players seem happy seeing results/improvement, yet full well know there going to get done on the weekend.

we’ll never know, that’s why we get frustrated.

but watching that game last night was junk; players were drifting in and out of games, not there mentally or completely gassed after one or two efforts, it looked like some players had done leg day yesterday.

Although as uncompetitive as we were it wasn’t as bad as the brisbane game, where we gave up.

 

[Samsquanch]

Leaving aside contracts - I’d take Pittard with his flaws every day over Polec for example to lead a young group.

I'm still flabbergasted and although it's none of my business, it would be nice to at least find out what happened to dump him the way he was. The whole Shaw experiment still feels to me like it was a disaster for North Melbourne. Initially, it looked like the team lifted and there was belief but from the outside, whatever cracks were there seemed to open into trenches from the day of that Carlton game.

 

[Nylex]

Why can’t the club release some positive press. That would help the supporters and ease some discontentment. Extend the contracts of JHF, Curtis, and a few others. It would demonstrate the players are at least committed and happy….. and put Tom Powell back in the team FFS

 

[Souup]

I'm not going to shy away from the fact that I've been a supporter of Noble from the beginning, but there's a philosophy I have about football that I'm increasingly concerned about when you look at our predicament:

I don't care how poor your list is (and ours is poor), players make the AFL because at one point in their footballing life, they impressed and displayed characteristics that suggested they deserved a spot on an AFL list. These aren't guys who first picked up a football in the last year and are trying to work out how to dispose of it and how to find it on game day.

What this means is that even the worst of lists should look competent most weeks with solid coaching.

The fact is we have not had a single game this year in which we have looked competent for a full game. I said at the time of the West Coast win that it was as poor as a loss. I've been willing to be patient, hoping that each subsequent week there might be improvement and we'll have a patch of games that are encouraging (as there was last year) - there hasn't been. If anything, I'd argue we have almost gotten worse with each passing week.

I have no idea what we should do. On the one hand, one of the best indicators for success is stability at a club. On the other hand, this is the most alarming 8 weeks of football I can ever recall seeing as a North Melbourne fan. We looked horrid in pre-season too so you could almost extend it to 10 weeks. I don't think comparing our current performances to Mark Neeld's Melbourne is a long bow, and that Mark Neeld Melbourne was something else.

 

[DesertRoo]

I'm still flabbergasted and although it's none of my business, it would be nice to at least find out what happened to dump him the way he was. The whole Shaw experiment still feels to me like it was a disaster for North Melbourne. Initially, it looked like the team lifted and there was belief but from the outside, whatever cracks were there seemed to open into trenches from the day of that Carlton game.

Someday Someone’s going to write a book about what happened to North up in the hub.
Ive got my fingers crossed itll be in darkdays section of Jyes triple premiership memoir.

 

[apollo_creed]

There’s certainly a disconnect between the supports expectations and results.
everyone on here prematch said we’d be lose by 80 points plus, it happens and everyone wants to sack the coach…
watched the presser and Nobel knows exactly where we’re at;
good, bad or indifferent. hes a realist, strangely enough seems supporters are not.

As an outsider, id personally love to know what their goals are this year..
maybe workloads during the week have increased, to the point the players simply can’t run on match day, maybe they’ve burnt the year, in the knowledge that increased workloads will benefit in the long run, rather then playing impossible catch ups in the preseason.
maybe that’s why players seem happy seeing results/improvement, yet full well know there going to get done on the weekend.

we’ll never know, that’s why we get frustrated.

but watching that game last night was junk; players were drifting in and out of games, not there mentally or completely gassed after one or two efforts, it looked like some players had done leg day yesterday.

Although as uncompetitive as we were it wasn’t as bad as the brisbane game, where we gave up.

We’re expecting to lose by 80+ in a large part because of the coach and our ancient tactics and non existent zoning. So your point isn’t relevant.

 

[DesertRoo]

We’re expecting to lose by 80+ in a large part because of the coach and our ancient tactics and non existent zoning. So your point isn’t relevant.

Footy is a lot easier game then people make out..
and you could honestly put 21 blokes who’ve never met, with decent vfl experience and they’d probably put more a showing then we’re putting on at the moment.

So the question is whether they can’t or won’t..

 

[apollo_creed]

Footy is a lot easier game then people make out..
and you could honestly put 21 blokes who’ve never met, with decent vfl experience and they’d probably put more a showing then we’re putting on at the moment.

So the question is whether they can’t or won’t..

You’re conveniently ignoring our horrid forward structure, non existent game plan, inability to set up for defensive transition, horrible zoning and lack of accountability for pathetically performed senior players.
You can say players, players, players but that’s just a massive cover for a shit coach who is out of his depth and getting the absolute worst out of this list who aren’t being given any chance to achieve their optimum.

 

[bhoysdontcry67]

The coach or the Club I’m not sure…

 

[Masked Avenger]

I'm not going to shy away from the fact that I've been a supporter of Noble from the beginning, but there's a philosophy I have about football that I'm increasingly concerned about when you look at our predicament:

I don't care how poor your list is (and ours is poor), players make the AFL because at one point in their footballing life, they impressed and displayed characteristics that suggested they deserved a spot on an AFL list. These aren't guys who first picked up a football in the last year and are trying to work out how to dispose of it and how to find it on game day.

What this means is that even the worst of lists should look competent most weeks with solid coaching.

The fact is we have not had a single game this year in which we have looked competent for a full game. I said at the time of the West Coast win that it was as poor as a loss. I've been willing to be patient, hoping that each subsequent week there might be improvement and we'll have a patch of games that are encouraging (as there was last year) - there hasn't been. If anything, I'd argue we have almost gotten worse with each passing week.

I have no idea what we should do. On the one hand, one of the best indicators for success is stability at a club. On the other hand, this is the most alarming 8 weeks of football I can ever recall seeing as a North Melbourne fan. We looked horrid in pre-season too so you could almost extend it to 10 weeks. I don't think comparing our current performances to Mark Neeld's Melbourne is a long bow, and that Mark Neeld Melbourne was something else.

One possible solution is to bite the bullet by dropping the non-performing older players and handing the leadership keys over to the next generation of leaders and see if they can fend for themselves.

 

[ferball]

Mighta thrown out the wrong blokes

Maybe...

It is what it is, we're here now and have to find a way to make the most of it.

 

[ferball]

The coach or the Club I’m not sure…

That round is gonna bounce off that animals skull.

 

[DesertRoo]

You’re conveniently ignoring our horrid forward structure, non existent game plan, inability to set up for defensive transition, horrible zoning and lack of accountability for pathetically performed senior players.
You can say players, players, players but that’s just a massive cover for a shit coach who is out of his depth and getting the absolute worst out of this list who aren’t being given any chance to achieve their optimum.

I’ve only put up a valid theory why the **** none of our players seem to lead in the forward half. Why none of them can chase or create any overlap run.
why we’ve got half a dozen players who seem to congregate around the stopage and if it moves toward either end they all seem flat footed. blame the coach all you want but this is stuff drilled into them at tac level and is effort based.

you seem to think getting rid of one man in the organisation is going to magically fix things.

 

[Samsquanch]

That round is gonna bounce off that animals skull.