News NMFC & Tassie (the mass debate re our future there, the academy, attending advice)

[Mr Lloyd Christmas]

I am surprised people (some, not all) are against a Tasmanian team.

In fact it's upsetting as so many Tasmanians play or are in the media yet don't have a team?

Just disappointing especially when North benefit from it (supporters, not necessarily accountants when money withdrawn)

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

I am surprised people (some, not all) are against a Tasmanian team.

In fact it's upsetting as so many Tasmanians play or are in the media yet don't have a team?

Just disappointing especially when North benefit from it (supporters, not necessarily accountants when money withdrawn)

I am absolutely fine with it as long as the AFL guarantees equalisation funding for NMFC at least at the same level as the Victorian club receiving the most funding. I would also be asking for some other assurances and guarantees around fixturing and visibility, and to be able to dip into the AFL's state government provided ground development fund.

 

[Only Forwards]

I am surprised people (some, not all) are against a Tasmanian team.

For me it’s not a location thing.

It’s a 19th team thing.

Tassie take GCs license and I’d have zero issue with them entering the competition.

I’d also be incredibly surprised if they stopped at an odd number. A 19th team would be a precursor to a 20th team. Which will just drag out the establishment phase.

 

[Only Forwards]

would also be asking for some other assurances and guarantees around fixturing and visibility, and to be able to dip into the AFL's state government provided ground development fund.

When have the AFL honoured assurances and guarantees?

How many broken promises came from the merger between the bears and the lions?

The AFL make the noises they need to to get what they want, but once they do most bets are off.

Given they will be a major benefactor to all clubs especially ours it’s not something we’d fight. We’d just get shafted, again.

 

[The Anvil]

Ugh, just get out of Tassie. It's not our fortress anymore if we can't have a big forward take contested marks with the wind.

Would we much rather have 20k at Marvel cheering our boys than 8k rocking up to Blundstone? The answer is obvious.

Get rid of Tassie and the supporters will show up. 7 home games and 4 replacements doesn't cut it when home games end up being so far away from each other. It just absolutely kills the vibe after a great win.

Imagine beating Richmond at Marvel then realising the next game is in Tassie. Hype gone. Give the members what they want.

It was literally like a ghost town in the Premiership Club seating last year, not sure getting 11 home games over 7 helps there.

We need to start winning if we want to give the members what they want.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

When have the AFL honoured assurances and guarantees?

How many broken promises came from the merger between the bears and the lions?

The AFL make the noises they need to to get what they want, but once they do most bets are off.

Given they will be a major benefactor to all clubs especially ours it’s not something we’d fight. We’d just get shafted, again.

But you see the balance of power has shifted on this issue. The AFL Commission chose to place the decision in the hands of the clubs. As a result, the AFL has lost bargaining power and must guarantee that all clubs continue to generate revenues at least to current levels. If they refuse to do that, well, the directors of the boards of every club have a fiduciary responsibility to guarantee that their club is a going concern, and if any decision around a 19th club threatens their club's ability to remain solvent, then they cannot approve that decision. So basically, every club, and especially those with significant debt, will absolutely demand that the AFL provide ironclad guarantees before they agree to the Tasmanian license. These will have to be legal guarantees, not empty promises.

 

[Mr Lloyd Christmas]

So Only Forwards feels threatened by a Tasmanian team entering the comp.

I am absolutely fine with it as long as the AFL guarantees equalisation funding for NMFC at least at the same level as the Victorian club receiving the most funding. I would also be asking for some other assurances and guarantees around fixturing and visibility, and to be able to dip into the AFL's state government provided ground development fund.

That's a fair post.

I in fact it's ridiculous the Gold Coast (hole) and GWS (what is it?) over a State that has delivered Hall of Famers, players etc.

To me it's ridiculous.

Hopefully it happens as we (Tasmanians) deserved this years ago.

 

[Mr Lloyd Christmas]

I am absolutely fine with it as long as the AFL guarantees equalisation funding for NMFC at least at the same level as the Victorian club receiving the most funding. I would also be asking for some other assurances and guarantees around fixturing and visibility, and to be able to dip into the AFL's state government provided ground development fund.

Well not just talk about it.

Do something about it.

That's fine as I believe in a mutual outcome for all parties.

 

[giantroo]

 

[wolvesRoos]

It was literally like a ghost town in the Premiership Club seating last year, not sure getting 11 home games over 7 helps there.

our crowds are down due to performance yes but i presume the prem club ghost town could be due to the room temporarily being in the forward pocket. I walk back to centre wing and i bet the crowd spread from centre wing back to outside the room itself. hopefully the other room is ready for next year after renovations.

not sure if its true but dont people say other club fans pay same for 11 game premium membership that we do for 7. if thats the case it would get more people over the line as if ur going to miss more than one game currently u think is it worth it

 

[Liam Boy]

hawthorn announced they've extended their partnership to play games in launceston today. wonder if something similar's coming for us

 

[Mr Taswegian]

hawthorn announced they've extended their partnership to play games in launceston today. wonder if something similar's coming for us

It said earlier that North is also about to announce a new deal shortly.

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

New deal.

Another x amount of years of Melbourne members getting the short straw.

Sweet.

 

[Mr Taswegian]

New deal.

Another x amount of years of Melbourne members getting the short straw.

Sweet.

Only a one year deal like the last one but It's highly likely North will be in Tasmania until 2027 when tassie is expected to enter the AFL.

 

[Shagga is all Class]

Only a one year deal like the last one but It's highly likely North will be in Tasmania until 2027 when tassie is expected to enter the AFL.

Lucky we are bottoming out this time instead of the pre GC and GWS no man's land period.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

Lucky we are bottoming out this time instead of the pre GC and GWS no man's land period.

It will be interesting to see which clubs are on the slide when the expansion side comes in and wrecks the top end of the draft

 

[sutcliffe's hotel]

Who needs Tassie, we have Snazzy Jazzy.

 

[Cyber_punk]

Feels like the talent pool was diluted enough after GC and GWS. 19 teams is really pushing it. I say we get rid of GC when Tassie comes in.

 

[Lomas]

Feels like the talent pool was diluted enough after GC and GWS. 19 teams is really pushing it. I say we get rid of GC when Tassie comes in.

Seconded

 

[Liam Boy]

Feels like the talent pool was diluted enough after GC and GWS. 19 teams is really pushing it. I say we get rid of GC when Tassie comes in.

i don't buy this. the additional teams just induce demand, it might take a little while but when there's more room in the league there's a greater slice of the population willing to commit to a footy career, and then more guys get the amount of time and focus on their training that's afforded by professional football, and more guys make it. You end up with champions who might not have played at all otherwise.

 

[Hojuman]

What we wanna hope is all our pieces are in place when Tassie come in. This time around other teams on their way down will get screwed by the 46 top 10 picks awarded to GWS / GC over a 6 or 7 year period.

 

[Only Forwards]

Feels like the talent pool was diluted enough after GC and GWS. 19 teams is really pushing it. I say we get rid of GC when Tassie comes in.

I am in complete agreement with this.

A 19th team would be a profound drain on the talent pool through its establishment.

It’s taken Gold Coast a decade and there is literally nothing to say they are not going to need more assistance into the future.

Geographically I don’t really care we’re sides other than North are. But I believe on the balance of it the effect of a 19th side will be a net negative for the league.

 

[Only Forwards]

i don't buy this. the additional teams just induce demand, it might take a little while but when there's more room in the league there's a greater slice of the population willing to commit to a footy career, and then more guys get the amount of time and focus on their training that's afforded by professional football, and more guys make it. You end up with champions who might not have played at all otherwise.

However that’s not how it’s played out is it.

GC has been in the league for 10 years.

Official AFL Website of the Gold Coast SUNS

The official AFL website of the Gold Coast SUNS Football Club

www.goldcoastfc.com.au

There are very few consistent players in that listing and none of those that are they’re could be considered a champion.

In fact one of the best from that lot Is Bailey Scott. A kid who would have found footy regardless of the academy.

When you consider the cost of talent thrown at them compared to what their academy has produced, it is so far out of whack it’s not funny.

How many decades do they get to start producing talent?

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

i don't buy this. the additional teams just induce demand, it might take a little while but when there's more room in the league there's a greater slice of the population willing to commit to a footy career, and then more guys get the amount of time and focus on their training that's afforded by professional football, and more guys make it. You end up with champions who might not have played at all otherwise.

I agree with this. The whole not enough talent thing is such horse shit. Do you know what the perfect number of teams is to ensure the best talent? It's two. That's it, just two teams. Any more than that and you are letting inferior players play. No other number makes sense and every number larger than that is a dilution of talent. So whether it's 12 or 16 or 18 or 19 doesn't matter.

As for Gold Coast being proof of anyone's argument, how about the fact that it took us 50 years to win a flag in a 12 team competition? Is that proof that we shouldn't have been allowed into the VFL in 1925? Or how about StKilda taking 69 years to win a premiership? No new club should be guaranteed success. They should have to earn it.

And besides, you really shouldn't be arguing that Gold Coast should be booted for Tasmania because a democratic vote of AFL clubs or AFL supporters over which AFL club should be forced to go to Tasmania might not go the way you want.

 

[KickItAnywhere34]

Just want to pass on the conversation I had with Sonja Hood in Hobart airport back in May this year. I politely asked when we would get 11 home games back in Melbourne - her response and I quote “sooner rather than later” and “myself and most of the board would like it to be next year (2023) but if not the year after.
She then proceeded to advise me they had completed financial projections and they were very close to making the books balance without Tassie money but were not quite there hence her second comment.
Don’t be fooled here - Sonja and the club want to be back in Melbourne full time - it’s not if it’s just a matter of when and 2024 would be a good time to make it happen (apologies Euge :stern look).