Opinion Non-Crows AFL 10

Who will win a final first?

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Vader said:
He could be doing a Mal Michael - announcing his retirement from Richmond, to get the Tigers to remove him from their playing list, thereby freeing him to be signed by Gold Coast.

Probably not... but there is a precedent!
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To retire he has to sign a form 40 which means he can’t sign for another club for the next season. They brought it in because of Mal Michael
 

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George Kramer said:


What a load of crap. So 7/8 could potentially give up home ground advantage if a State Govt bids on it. So not only do 9/10 teams get a chance they don’t deserve, they could host the games. ****ing afl money hungry ****wits
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Just what we needed more of in Australia - more copying Yankee commercialised shit.
 
George Kramer said:


What a load of crap. So 7/8 could potentially give up home ground advantage if a State Govt bids on it. So not only do 9/10 teams get a chance they don’t deserve, they could host the games. ****ing afl money hungry ****wits
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I'm not sure 7th and 8th have earned any home field advantage. As it stands, they don't play a home final.
 
George Kramer said:


What a load of crap. So 7/8 could potentially give up home ground advantage if a State Govt bids on it. So not only do 9/10 teams get a chance they don’t deserve, they could host the games. ****ing afl money hungry ****wits
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Agree.

I am fine with maximizing money and the idea of Wildcard round.

What really sucks is compromising the fairness of the league based on profit. Its the only league in the World that does that. Assigning the Grand Final to the MCG until 2050 is an absolute joke, but unfortunately whilst the short sighted MCC controls the purse strings of the VFL its what we are stuck with.
 
AFC979810 said:
Agree.

I am fine with maximizing money and the idea of Wildcard round.

What really sucks is compromising the fairness of the league based on profit. Its the only league in the World that does that. Assigning the Grand Final to the MCG until 2050 is an absolute joke, but unfortunately whilst the short sighted MCC controls the purse strings of the VFL its what we are stuck with.
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I am fine with the AFL maximising money if it means Collingwood never play at Geelong - it sucks but the greater good must come into play

I dont like the idea of a wildcard round and by extension the idea you can buy a home final

How does that work? You have a game to win but behind the scenes promise a canload of money? Or the Government gets involved ? Or do you hand over money at the start of the season and forfeit it if you dont make it?
 
GreyCrow said:
I am fine with the AFL maximising money if it means Collingwood never play at Geelong - it sucks but the greater good must come into play

I dont like the idea of a wildcard round and by extension the idea you can buy a home final

How does that work? You have a game to win but behind the scenes promise a canload of money? Or the Government gets involved ? Or do you hand over money at the start of the season and forfeit it if you dont make it?
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If you can't buy a home final - do you like wildcard round?
 
footy4ever said:
So it boils down to a final 10 basically? With 7th and 8th having no advantage by finishing above 9th and 10th because of 'bidding' to host?

AFL You have to be ****ing kidding me. Surely!
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Its ridiculous. When do they bid?

There is potentially a scenario where you have a Port V Gold Coast wild card final played in Perth.
 

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StonesThrow said:
Pendlebury is only behind very few players of this generation (GAJ, Buddy, Martin off the top of my head). He's not far behind though. Probably not as game breaking as the others maybe?

His spatial awareness is probably up there with the best ever. Add to that elite disposal, decision making and footy IQ. Incredible player.
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I’d have him behind only GAJ and Buddy.

Better for longer than all of them, but I’d give GAJ some extra points for being top 3 in the comp for ages, and Buddy some extra for being a key fwd. Dusty’s peak was comparable to GAJ but he didn’t sustain it for half as long.
 
WeeBlake said:
I’d have him behind only GAJ and Buddy.

Better for longer than all of them, but I’d give GAJ some extra points for being top 3 in the comp for ages, and Buddy some extra for being a key fwd. Dusty’s peak was comparable to GAJ but he didn’t sustain it for half as long.
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Dusty far above Pendles IMO.

3 X Norm Smith Medal trumps all.
 
AFC979810 said:
Dusty far above Pendles IMO.

3 X Norm Smith Medal trumps all.
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Fair enough, people can assess greatness however they want.

I think the Norm Smith is a bit overrated. Eg with Dusty - we know he wasn’t the difference in the 2017 gf. Houli would have been my pick. Martin was very good that day, but it could easily have been given Houli or someone else, and then where does that leave things? Is he suddenly no better than Macleod?

2019 was a cakewalk. Norm Smith for that game devalued, for mine.

2020 he was the difference. Richly deserved Norm Smith, but it’s still only one game.

Having said all of that, he was a great finals performer, great player, but Pendlebury’s incrediblely consistent excellence, over a much longer period, puts him ahead for me.

PS - Pendlebury was huge in the GF last year, even as an old man.
 
George Kramer said:
True but given it’s effectively another finals round the higher ranked team should be having a home final as per the other finals except for the GF
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The thing that makes it strange is the absence of any 'divisions', meaning that the wild cards aren't challenging 'winners'. I see it more as a statement that the top six have 'earned' finals, 7th and 8th are lucky to be there, and therefore that in an extended finals they have to fight for the right.

I don't really feel any sense of injustice for teams that really aren't that good.

Every year in the NFL there's a similar debate about higher ranked wild card teams travelling to divisional winners, and the answer imo is 'well win your division, why feel bad for losers?'.

I'm not sure I feel strongly about it. Strategically, is the shift actually in our interest?

The event that ought be rotational / bid on is the grand final.
 
kirky said:
Well then players will have to find their own coverage. And good luck with that.
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To self insure is the AFL’s only real option here. Hope the media rights keep growing exponentially
because the claims certainly will. Wait for a few years when the claims are increased with AFLW injuries.

A cynic would also say it may also provide an opportunity for a quick $2m pay day if left open to exploitation .
 
skam85 said:
On paper yes but like WeeBlake said, 2020 was the only true one IMO.

2017 they were always going to give him the NS for the "Dusty story", premiership, Brownlow, NS treble. Houli and Rance were far more impactful on the day.
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Fair. WeeBlake brings up some good points too.

But in truth Dusty's finals performances are a close 2nd to his 3 Norm Smiths. For me there has been no greater player in Finals in the history of the AFL.
 
Another good, direct and hard hitting article in The Age from Kane. Oliver mentioned

www.theage.com.au

The Demons stand at the gates of footy hell. These are the five mistakes that got them there

From the premiership glory of 2021 to scrapping for an unlikely finals berth three years later, the decline of the Dees has been dramatic. Here are five moves that helped squander their golden age.
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Melbourne has created its own demons – and now it is to enter football’s version of hell.

A drought-breaking premiership has been followed by consecutive straight-set exits from finals and now no finals action at all.

The slide points to a bleak future at Melbourne.

The player list is ageing and lacking depth. For all the denials, the club’s culture is questionable, as is the professionalism of a team that only three seasons ago appeared on the verge of a dynasty.

Coach Simon Goodwin’s game style has become predictable and boring.

“Contest and defence” are his repetitive catchcries, but he has been unable to fix the glaring issues on ball movement and scoring that have been so obvious in the past three seasons.

Melbourne needs to confront the reality that it is about to fall off the cliff and become irrelevant in the premiership race.

Just a little more than 16,000 fans turned up to see the Demons lose to the Giants by four points in round 20. The AFL will surely downgrade the Demons when it releases the fixture for next year, gone will be the primetime slots, meaning the crowds will only get smaller.

Goodwin is not the only one to blame for the failure to maximise a once-powerful list. A series of questionable list-management decisions have left the club in a hole.

1. Clayton Oliver’s contract.​

Melbourne in 2022 – a year before Clayton Oliver fell out of contract – extended the troubled midfielder’s contract until the end of 2030.

Since signing the new deal, with his financial future guaranteed, Oliver has been nothing but a distraction. Last season was tumultuous; he managed only 15 games, missing 10 with a hamstring injury and a serious foot infection.

His altercation with the club’s head of strength and conditioning, Selwyn Griffith, created unwanted headlines.

The Demons had to deny they put Oliver up for trade at the end of 2023, but they did demand he meet their expected standards.

His hospital visit with an unexplained medical episode in October and departure from a pre-season training camp in December only fuelled concerns.

Despite the interrupted pre-season, Oliver surprised many by lining up in the opening round against Sydney, and has played 20 games this year.

However, he is a shadow of his best, and his performance has declined in every key midfield statistic.

The decision to lock him into a long-term deal now was a significant error that will chew up the club’s salary cap and heap pain for years to come.

2. Trading Brodie Grundy

Trading dual All-Australian ruckman Brodie Grundy to premiership contender Sydney for a mere pick No.46 and a future second-round selection was another glaring error.

It was a gift for the ladder-leading Swans.

Etc
 
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