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The AFL have the right to enforce their policies depending on the direction to the wind blows...
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POSSIBLE THREE-TEAM TRADES
WITH JACK LUKOSIUS| Club | Gives | Gets |
| Collingwood | John Noble, Joe Richards, pick 52, 2025 R1 | Dan Houston, 29 |
| Gold Coast | 13, 29, Lukosius | Noble, Coll 2025 R1, Port 2025 R1 |
| Port Adelaide | Houston, 2025 R1 | Richards, Lukosius, 13, 52 |
| Club | Gives | Gets |
| Collingwood | Noble, Richards, 52, 2025 R1 | Houston, 29 |
| Gold Coast | 13, 29 | Noble, Coll 2025 R1 |
| Port Adelaide | Houston | Richards, 13, 52 |
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Hawthorn coming back hard against the racism claims re Clarkson, Fagan and Burt.
Hawthorn has sensationally claimed that alleged racism victim Carl Peterson was incoherent and appeared affected by drugs or alcohol when he was picked up by a club official at Melbourne Airport after a flight from Perth.
The club also rejected Peterson’s allegation that former Hawthorn coach Alastair Clarkson had told him in a 2009 meeting to “break up” with his partner and added “tell her to terminate the pregnancy”.
More than two years after the Hawks racism scandal broke, lawyers for the club have made a series of new claims in a scathing Federal Court document on Thursday.
After returning from Perth during the VFL mid-season break in June 2009, Hawthorn alleges Peterson was picked up at Melbourne Airport by then development coach David Flood.
In addition to being incoherent and under the influence, the documents allege Peterson told Flood he had no money in his bank account and had lost his clothing.
Peterson was delisted in October the following year after former Hawks staffer Jason Burt was allegedly informed by Peterson’s partner that he had used marijuana in the week leading up to an elimination final in Perth.
The documents state Peterson was removed from the elimination final team and later received counselling through the AFL Players’ Association.
Hawthorn premiership legend Cyril Rioli is the lead applicant in a Federal Court action in which former Hawks figures and their partners – Shannyn Ah Sam-Rioli, Peterson, Jermaine Miller-Lewis, Montanah-Rae Lewis and Leon Egan – are seeking damages, aggravated damages and apologies from the club.
The document makes allegations against plaintiffs Jermaine Miller-Lewis, who was 18 when he was drafted as a rookie to Hawthorn in 2014, and his partner Montanah-Rae Lewis.
In December 2017, Hawthorn’s club doctor allegedly referred Miller-Lewis to a private facility, the Blackwood River Clinic, for drug rehabilitation and mental health treatment after a request by his partner for assistance.
In early January 2018, Miller-Lewis allegedly failed to attend his admission appointment to the clinic.
Hawthorn claims it arranged for the AFL Players Association to make hardship payments of $3000 to the couple’s rental account and $2500 to their private health insurance fund.
In July 2019, the documents state Peterson took his two sons, stepson and his partner’s young brother to Hawthorn’s training facilities where they met Clarkson.
After the visit, Hawthorn claims Peterson emailed Angela Burt, Hawthorn’s Indigenous Liaison Manager, Jeff Kennett and then CEO, Justin Reeves, thanking them for the tour.
“It was great that I could show the kids the old office and hopefully the older boys get something out of it as they are at the stage of playing rep ball and rep footy,” the email allegedly said.
“I really appreciate it and hopefully we will meet again soon.
“Thanks again my kids loved it.”
The following month, the club claims Peterson emailed Kennett requesting four tickets to a Hawthorn game in Perth which he was gifted.
At Lewis’ request, the documents allege the payments were not disclosed to Miller-Lewis.
The Hawks admitted four-time premiership player Grant Birchall asked Indigenous teammate Bradley Hill if his partner was also a “boong” at the end of 2013 season.
The incident was first detailed in the players’ statement of claim, which alleged the Hawks did not take any action.
But the club claims the comment was overheard by Jarryd Roughead, who was part of the team’s leadership and told Birchall it was offensive and totally inappropriate.
The documents state Roughhead comforted Hill and facilitated an apology from Birchall, with the incident dealt with on the spot and no further issues arising between the pair.
In a statement of claim lodged in July, Rioli accused Alistair Clarkson of calling him “Humphrey B Bear” throughout his time at Hawthorn and “thereby associated Mr Rioli with a black bear and chose to publicly refer to him in that way”.
But the Hawks also allege Rioli’s claim was “an abuse of process” because of a deed of settlement he had entered with the club and league following his retirement in July 2018.
“(Rioli) unconditionally releases and discharges the Club and the AFL, their Related Entities and their associates, directors, employees, servants, shareholders, agents, assigns and insurers from all Claims,” the deed allegedly stated.
The AFL launched an “independent” inquiry into the Hawthorn racism claims in September 2022, which ended eight months later with “no adverse findings” made against Clarkson, former Hawks football boss Chris Fagan or club welfare chief Jason Burt.
Fagan was accused of “nodding his head” at the 2009 meeting in which Clarkson allegedly told Peterson to terminate his partner’s pregnancy.
Clarkson, now senior coach at North Melbourne, Fagan, this year’s premiership coach at Brisbane, and Burt have repeatedly denied any wrongdoing.
Mediation between the players and former Hawthorn figures has failed to reach a resolution.
In May this year, the Herald Sun revealed two secret reports commissioned by the AFL into the Hawthorn racism scandal found “a startling lack of evidence” in the cases alleged against the trio.
The separate reports, authored by a retired Federal Court judge and a top city law firm, concluded that the gravest allegation – that an Indigenous player and his partner were pressured to terminate a pregnancy – could not be substantiated.
A claim that the Hawks had demanded the separation of another First Nations family for the sake of the player’s career was also considered to be “lacking in evidence”.
The two reports – one by Justice John Middleton and the other by Gordon Legal – found that there was “no basis whatsoever” to support suggestions a subculture of racism had existed at Hawthorn or that the three accused club officials had behaved in anything other than a “caring” way for their players.
The AFL Commission relied upon the reports to terminate the four-person independent investigation panel led by Bernard Quinn KC, which had failed to make any findings eight months after being established following the leaking of the Hawthorn “cultural safety review” in grand final week 202
Hawthorn coming back hard against the racism claims re Clarkson, Fagan and Burt.
Hawthorn hits back with explosive Carl Peterson claims in AFL racism row
Hawthorn has sensationally claimed alleged racism victim Carl Peterson appeared drug or alcohol affected when picked up at Melbourne Airport in a scathing defence lodged with the Federal Court on Thursday.Hawthorn has sensationally claimed that alleged racism victim Carl Peterson was incoherent and appeared affected by drugs or alcohol when he was picked up by a club official at Melbourne Airport after a flight from Perth.
The club also rejected Peterson’s allegation that former Hawthorn coach Alastair Clarkson had told him in a 2009 meeting to “break up” with his partner and added “tell her to terminate the pregnancy”.
More than two years after the Hawks racism scandal broke, lawyers for the club have made a series of new claims in a scathing Federal Court document on Thursday.
After returning from Perth during the VFL mid-season break in June 2009, Hawthorn alleges Peterson was picked up at Melbourne Airport by then development coach David Flood.
In addition to being incoherent and under the influence, the documents allege Peterson told Flood he had no money in his bank account and had lost his clothing.
Peterson was delisted in October the following year after former Hawks staffer Jason Burt was allegedly informed by Peterson’s partner that he had used marijuana in the week leading up to an elimination final in Perth.
The documents state Peterson was removed from the elimination final team and later received counselling through the AFL Players’ Association.
Hawthorn premiership legend Cyril Rioli is the lead applicant in a Federal Court action in which former Hawks figures and their partners – Shannyn Ah Sam-Rioli, Peterson, Jermaine Miller-Lewis, Montanah-Rae Lewis and Leon Egan – are seeking damages, aggravated damages and apologies from the club.
The document makes allegations against plaintiffs Jermaine Miller-Lewis, who was 18 when he was drafted as a rookie to Hawthorn in 2014, and his partner Montanah-Rae Lewis.
In December 2017, Hawthorn’s club doctor allegedly referred Miller-Lewis to a private facility, the Blackwood River Clinic, for drug rehabilitation and mental health treatment after a request by his partner for assistance.
In early January 2018, Miller-Lewis allegedly failed to attend his admission appointment to the clinic.
Hawthorn claims it arranged for the AFL Players Association to make hardship payments of $3000 to the couple’s rental account and $2500 to their private health insurance fund.
In July 2019, the documents state Peterson took his two sons, stepson and his partner’s young brother to Hawthorn’s training facilities where they met Clarkson.
After the visit, Hawthorn claims Peterson emailed Angela Burt, Hawthorn’s Indigenous Liaison Manager, Jeff Kennett and then CEO, Justin Reeves, thanking them for the tour.
“It was great that I could show the kids the old office and hopefully the older boys get something out of it as they are at the stage of playing rep ball and rep footy,” the email allegedly said.
“I really appreciate it and hopefully we will meet again soon.
“Thanks again my kids loved it.”
The following month, the club claims Peterson emailed Kennett requesting four tickets to a Hawthorn game in Perth which he was gifted.
At Lewis’ request, the documents allege the payments were not disclosed to Miller-Lewis.
The Hawks admitted four-time premiership player Grant Birchall asked Indigenous teammate Bradley Hill if his partner was also a “boong” at the end of 2013 season.
The incident was first detailed in the players’ statement of claim, which alleged the Hawks did not take any action.
But the club claims the comment was overheard by Jarryd Roughead, who was part of the team’s leadership and told Birchall it was offensive and totally inappropriate.
The documents state Roughhead comforted Hill and facilitated an apology from Birchall, with the incident dealt with on the spot and no further issues arising between the pair.
In a statement of claim lodged in July, Rioli accused Alistair Clarkson of calling him “Humphrey B Bear” throughout his time at Hawthorn and “thereby associated Mr Rioli with a black bear and chose to publicly refer to him in that way”.
But the Hawks also allege Rioli’s claim was “an abuse of process” because of a deed of settlement he had entered with the club and league following his retirement in July 2018.
“(Rioli) unconditionally releases and discharges the Club and the AFL, their Related Entities and their associates, directors, employees, servants, shareholders, agents, assigns and insurers from all Claims,” the deed allegedly stated.
The AFL launched an “independent” inquiry into the Hawthorn racism claims in September 2022, which ended eight months later with “no adverse findings” made against Clarkson, former Hawks football boss Chris Fagan or club welfare chief Jason Burt.
Fagan was accused of “nodding his head” at the 2009 meeting in which Clarkson allegedly told Peterson to terminate his partner’s pregnancy.
Clarkson, now senior coach at North Melbourne, Fagan, this year’s premiership coach at Brisbane, and Burt have repeatedly denied any wrongdoing.
Mediation between the players and former Hawthorn figures has failed to reach a resolution.
In May this year, the Herald Sun revealed two secret reports commissioned by the AFL into the Hawthorn racism scandal found “a startling lack of evidence” in the cases alleged against the trio.
The separate reports, authored by a retired Federal Court judge and a top city law firm, concluded that the gravest allegation – that an Indigenous player and his partner were pressured to terminate a pregnancy – could not be substantiated.
A claim that the Hawks had demanded the separation of another First Nations family for the sake of the player’s career was also considered to be “lacking in evidence”.
The two reports – one by Justice John Middleton and the other by Gordon Legal – found that there was “no basis whatsoever” to support suggestions a subculture of racism had existed at Hawthorn or that the three accused club officials had behaved in anything other than a “caring” way for their players.
The AFL Commission relied upon the reports to terminate the four-person independent investigation panel led by Bernard Quinn KC, which had failed to make any findings eight months after being established following the leaking of the Hawthorn “cultural safety review” in grand final week 202
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They're more than guidelines because the AFL have rejected trades before because of them.
There was a trade a couple of years ago (from memory it was either Hawthorn or Essendon) that the AFL wouldn't approve because they'd traded their future first and the AFL wouldn't allow them to trade their future 2nd (it's all part of the same rule).
The AFL said that they had to go and find another way to structure the trade or get another 2nd round pick before they would approve the trade.
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Kane famously made the comment "Call the police, there's been a robbery" about that trade.
The twist that Kane never saw coming was that it was Melbourne who was pulling the robbery and not the other way around
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Let’s hope pick 28 isn’t a gun in a premiership sideKane famously made the comment "Call the police, there's been a robbery" about that trade.
The twist that Kane never saw coming was that it was Melbourne who was pulling the robbery and not the other way around
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Lets hope that our pick 28 we gave Melbourne for ANB does not turn out to be a star of the compKane famously made the comment "Call the police, there's been a robbery" about that trade.
The twist that Kane never saw coming was that it was Melbourne who was pulling the robbery and not the other way around
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Irrelevant. We can't continue to rely on the draft and get an unbalanced list. The club is right to trade in decent players in the right age range to balance the profile, together with drafting at the top, where possible.
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Irrelevant?. I call it opportunity cost. I hope ANB is a super player for us and then we get full value for that pick
This looks fair to me for all parties
Kane famously made the comment "Call the police, there's been a robbery" about that trade.
The twist that Kane never saw coming was that it was Melbourne who was pulling the robbery and not the other way around
Its great for a laugh but Kane was right, Port did rob Melbourne. TBH Melbourne probably just took the first offer and ran with it. Wanted him gone. It is rare to find a gem at pick 31. So Melbourne ended up winning but the odds were on Kane's side.
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Yes and no
I do agree getting the 3 players in is good business
But its the other end I have concerns. Technically it looks as if we will have 2 players in Pick 4 and Welsh join us as new . I would prefer 1 or 2 more new drafted players to complement our list and we can do this with little harm to our list profile
Ive said this multiple times but I feel we hold onto players too long who ultimately drop off our list 1-2 years too late.
I'm not overly concerned - and history dictates neither is the club - where our SANFL team finishes
I would be looking at players like Schoenberg, Pedlar ( who is a favourite) and some could argue Smith
3 more draftees with 4 and Welsh seems like good business given that 2025 delistings and trades could be brutal in terms of experience
Smith, Walker, Milera, O'Brien would be more impactful if we dont rejuvenate. Sure ANB, Peatling and Cummings would buffer those 4 but where is our bottom end
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He’s right, it’s a joke the narrative around this
West Coast over paid but they were desperate and Geelong actually had no interest in doing a deal if I remember correctly.
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Kelly wanted to get home after his first year and Geelong refused to trade him. Geelong had to trade him second time round as he was out of contract.
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Port supporters seem to think that they're getting 29 back which would be overs, I think this trade is pretty much fair for everyone.
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Think that was always his preference.
So Port will get a draft pick in the first round and send Gold Coast a F1 for Lukosis. Houston packing his bags as we speak.
The Carlton/Hawthorn deal means that Carlton can now trade for Houston, while still having a 2024 1st round pick. You'd think this was one of the main sticking points holding up the Houston deal, and by extension the Luko deal.
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