Opinion Non-Crows AFL 11

[1970crow]

Crazy all the shit talk about Goodwin.

2021 - FLAG
2022 - 2nd on ladder.
2023 - 4th (lost their 2 finals by a combined 9 points)
2024 - 14th - 3 games clear of Adelaide.

In 2024 - he loses Brayshaw (4th in their 2023 B&F), Petracca 13 games and Oliver to shit form due to his issues.
Poor bloke effectively lost his engine room in 2024 and still finished above us.

Got the Sando luck of 2013. Can he rebound - it remains to be seen, but have zero idea why he has such a bad rep on this board.

Nothing wrong with his record pat all. I think the question marks relate to the rumours about him enjoying the odd nose beer and whether he’s senior coach of a current version of the west coke eagles. There’s been a fair bit of smoke coming from there with their ex prez and talk of AFL involving themselves at one point.

But he’s still there and if he became available I’d trust Neil Balme to make the right call.

 

[1970crow]

They had a pretty handy fitness bloke and a near new facility.

Not sure where the lowly resourced bit comes from. I mean the team they played against is far worse off

Pretty sure Doggies are very financially sound.

 

[AFC979810]

Not rubbish at all!

Were the best team comfortably when they won the flag & have dropped out of the premiership window quicker than expected with plenty of unrest.

They were top 4 for two years after their flag win and a genuine flag chance in 2022,2023.

Their 2024 campaign was railroaded losing Brayshaw forever in the preseason. They were 7-5 entering the game where they lost Petracca for the rest of the year.

That isn't very quickly.

Adelaide after 2017 was a very quick drop.
West Coast after 2018 was a very quick drop.
Bulldogs after 2016 was a very quick drop.

Do you seriously think they are still in the premiership window? Seriously?

I haven't said this. Nor have I suggested I think this.

I think they are in a fair bit of bother entering this year, but it aint Goody's fault.

 

[AFC979810]

I think Goodwin has underperformed with the list he's had

No idea how you can underperform by winning a flag. Getting a list to a single flag is a tremendous achievement.

 

[Scorpus]

No idea how you can underperform by winning a flag. Getting a list to a single flag is a tremendous achievement.

Of course, but coaches aren't judged based on a single year.

In 2024 they still had 18 of their premiership best 22, and since that flag they haven't even won a final.

The quality of Melbourne's list is exceptional, it wasn't gutted after winning the flag, most of it is still there and so to only make a single grand final with it is underperforming. So is finishing top 4 twice and going out in straight sets back to back.

Melbourne supporters want him gone. They feel since that flag he's burnt maybe the best list in the league and I agree.

 

[FR0GGY]

No idea how you can underperform by winning a flag. Getting a list to a single flag is a tremendous achievement.

Where would you rate him amongst the single flag winners in the afl era?
Beverage
simpson
Worstfold
Roos
McRae
Longmire
Williams

 

[Mostyn]

They were 10th favourite for the flag going into the 2021 season, paying 22/1

They weren't some sure thing

The criticism of Goodwin is just stunning. It's like Vader bagging Travis Head after a failure despite dominating previous tests

I feel we keep ignoring the controversy that surrounds Goodwin, and how that impacts people's willingness to be generous towards any underperformance.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I feel we keep ignoring the controversy that surrounds Goodwin, and how that impacts people's willingness to be generous towards any underperformance.

And also how little that matters

(Some...? Lots of...?) posters on here would be happier if we appointed a cleanskin like Ratten next season than Goodwin which shows how utterly insane the argument is

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Where would you rate him amongst the single flag winners in the afl era?
Beverage
simpson
Worstfold
Roos
McRae
Longmire
Williams

He'd be the most criticised of this group by a trillion percent

 

[FR0GGY]

He'd be the most criticised of this group by a trillion percent

Usually there’s a reason for criticism, same with whipping boys.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

I do think a premiership win permanently establishes a coaches reputation. They can **** up from that point on but nobody can take their title of "premiership winning coach". It probably isn't much consolation to fans who have their eyes set on what's immediately in front of them.

 

[Scorpus]

And also how little that matters

(Some...? Lots of...?) posters on here would be happier if we appointed a cleanskin like Ratten next season than Goodwin which shows how utterly insane the argument is

People want a coach that would be able to win a premiership with our list.

Goodwin's inability to back up his premiership with even a finals win of any kind, with an amazing list and midfield, throws up a huge red flag if he was to move to a club with a worse list, like ours

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

People want a coach that would be able to win a premiership with our list.

Goodwin's inability to back up his premiership with even a finals win of any kind, with an amazing list and midfield, throws up a huge red flag if he was to move to a club with a worse list, like ours

Using similar logic we wouldn't have appointed Blight. Couldn't get across the line with an exceptional team