Opinion Non-Crows AFL 11: Save Ken

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It's a Melbourne newspaper article. Who buys Melbourne newspapers? Melbourne residents...

Pure Victorian propaganda. Nothing more.
Not sure if being serious here?

Without The Age/SMH stable all we are left with is dumbed down Murdoch papers (which is great for football admittedly)

Edit hopefully the right wing brigade take offence at “dumbed down” :)
 
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Not sure if being serious here?

Without The Age/SMH stable all we are left with is dumbed down Murdoch papers (which is great for football admittedly)

Edit hopefully the right wing brigade take offence at “dumbed down” :)

If you get upset about preseason puff pieces that don't pump up your side, maybe you're not the discerning media consumer you tell people you are.
 

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Not sure if being serious here?

Without The Age/SMH stable all we are left with is dumbed down Murdoch papers (which is great for football admittedly)

Edit hopefully the right wing brigade take offence at “dumbed down” :)
Let's face it ....all newspapers (Australian) who are working with skeleton staff, are simply rehashing news from other on-line sources

Why they want to be paid by Twitter and co is bewildering, given it's mostly not their IP ....and this pleading they'll go out of business if not paid ....well, welcome to the law of the jungle

We'll soon get all our Footy News online from podcasters, & ex media people .....most newspaper stuff is news I've already heard online .....so newspapers won't be around too much longer, advertising revenue will dry up
 
Geelong captain and AFL Players Association president Patrick Dangerfield has declared it’s “time to shorten” quarters, adamant that record ratings and attendances wouldn’t be impacted by saying “reduce the supply and the demand goes up”.
And we'll still pay the same for our tickets, food, drinks etc.

The NBA play an 82 game season also.
 
If you get upset about preseason puff pieces that don't pump up your side, maybe you're not the discerning media consumer you tell people you are.
OK, not entirely sure why I am bothering here but here is a simple and final recap:

  • I copied the relevant section of an AFL article comparing all teams youngsters. As mandated, I copied only the crows section (If you have no interest in our under 23s relative to other teams then perhaps it wasn’t an article for you). I noticed in hindsight I posted on the wrong thread but alas..
  • reading the entire article and comparing our relative youngsters I thought the ranking was “crap” (ie materially underrating our young brigade) to other teams. Please note I am hardly suffering a mental health episode based on the ranking and despite thinking it was a crap rating I enjoyed the article - not sure how you perceived I am upset about the article?
  • the normal thread derailers then kicked in and I made the mistake of bothering to respond.
  • why did I post it? From my understanding not many posters read some of the online papers I have subs to (The Age, The Australian besides the tabloid Murdoch stuff). I was trying to post for others benefit esp after being encouraged by a number of posters historically to do this. But I am clearly not going to waste my time if posters such as yourself want to get personal.
 
Geelong captain and AFL Players Association president Patrick Dangerfield has declared it’s “time to shorten” quarters, adamant that record ratings and attendances wouldn’t be impacted by saying “reduce the supply and the demand goes up”.
Um, no, Patrick. It's not "demand goes up", it's "price (per unit) goes up". Like reducing the number of Tim Tams in a pack.
 
Let's face it ....all newspapers (Australian) who are working with skeleton staff, are simply rehashing news from other on-line sources

Why they want to be paid by Twitter and co is bewildering, given it's mostly not their IP ....and this pleading they'll go out of business if not paid ....well, welcome to the law of the jungle

We'll soon get all our Footy News online from podcasters, & ex media people .....most newspaper stuff is news I've already heard online .....so newspapers won't be around too much longer, advertising revenue will dry up
That’s fair. I find a lot of stuff on the Age is normally quite good and they definitely go for quality over quantity.

Anyway as mentioned in other post I am hardly wanting to spend more time debating the quality of this article and newspapers in general. I was just sharing a snippet of crows related stuff on an important issue of elite young talent.

I am convinced we have the best youngsters (23 and under) since our inception years but ultimately time will tell.

Could be a handful of elite players coming thru in that age group alongside Dawson and Rankine etc
 
And we'll still pay the same for our tickets, food, drinks etc.

The NBA play an 82 game season also.
Actually was on radio today (SEN I think) that NBA CEO Silver was discussing whether they also drop quarters to 10 minutes (from 12 currently) for TV viewing purposes. NBA audiences are way down this year
 
Actually was on radio today (SEN I think) that NBA CEO Silver was discussing whether they also drop quarters to 10 minutes (from 12 currently) for TV viewing purposes. NBA audiences are way down this year
For mine its not about the length of an NBA game, its all the filler theyve got. So many late game time-outs that can drag the last 5 minutes out into 20.

They've created their own issue, and they'll go about fixing it wrong.
 
Actually was on radio today (SEN I think) that NBA CEO Silver was discussing whether they also drop quarters to 10 minutes (from 12 currently) for TV viewing purposes. NBA audiences are way down this year

Yeah but the NBA is 2nd fiddle to the NFL.

AFL is numero uno.

People want more AFL not less.

When you are #1 - you increase your offering - more games, dont reduce game times (and by extension revenue dollars).

When you are a secondary sport (cricket/soccer in Aus - NBA/MLB in USA) you change the sport to entice attendance and revenue.
 
For mine its not about the length of an NBA game, its all the filler theyve got. So many late game time-outs that can drag the last 5 minutes out into 20.

They've created their own issue, and they'll go about fixing it wrong.

Wrong.

The #1 issue with the NBA is that the stars aren't playing the majority of the games like they did in previous generations.

Players are managing their workload, teams are realizing that playoff seeding doesn't really matter and that the most important thing is having a fit and firing team for the playoffs.

Not to mention that with the explosion of entertainment options over the past 20 years - consumers want to watch sport where the games actually matter. Baseball (160+), NHL (80+), NBA (60+) - its hard to actually worry about an individual game.
 

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For mine its not about the length of an NBA game, its all the filler theyve got. So many late game time-outs that can drag the last 5 minutes out into 20.

They've created their own issue, and they'll go about fixing it wrong.
Agree it’s extremely frustrating as you say when you can get up to 4 time outs in the last 60-90 seconds of play. Adam Silver was saying his preference is 10 minute quarters as TV viewers are dropping off with the prolonged game time. SEN guys saying how all historical records then become incomparable to the new age of shorter quarters (no one realistically will ever catch Le Brons total scoring or Steffs 3 pointers made)

I find the NBA app is excellent however AFTER the event allowing either a full game replay (they edit out time outs within 24 hrs), a 10 minute extended summary or a 2-3 minute summary.

Love the NBA but it’s close to overkill with the huge amount of games IMO. Plus finals of up to another 1-2 months after the minor round of 82. Then baseball is double that again…..seriously 160 ish games a year is crazy stuff
 
Wrong.

The #1 issue with the NBA is that the stars aren't playing the majority of the games like they did in previous generations.

Players are managing their workload, teams are realizing that playoff seeding doesn't really matter and that the most important thing is having a fit and firing team for the playoffs.

Not to mention that with the explosion of entertainment options over the past 20 years - consumers want to watch sport where the games actually matter. Baseball (160+), NHL (80+), NBA (60+) - its hard to actually worry about an individual game.
Agree with having a fit squad for finals. If you are good enough you can win it from 5-8 as only one extra home game per series of 7 games.

I would have thought players, unless injured, still play vast majority of games (perhaps 65-70 of the 82) though but don’t have any stats. Definitely don’t want to be booking a US trip for March/early April to see a big game (at a very high cost from resellers..) when a lot of the resting occurs
 
Yeah but the NBA is 2nd fiddle to the NFL.

AFL is numero uno.

People want more AFL not less.

When you are #1 - you increase your offering - more games, dont reduce game times (and by extension revenue dollars).

When you are a secondary sport (cricket/soccer in Aus - NBA/MLB in USA) you change the sport to entice attendance and revenue.
I would personally love our season to be longer but with the current mandated 15-16 weeks of players leave per year it’s just not possible. Perhaps as the game gets even more professional ($$$) with bigger squads, shorter leave (surely 10-12 weeks is more than adequate when on the big bucks) and possibly shorter quarters (17.5 minutes) they could extend out to maybe 26 games. We have already snuck the extra week for gather round in recent years going from 22->23
 
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Nah. Players sit out all the time.

Just look at all of the resting policies and fines from the past 10 years in the NBA. It’s the #1 issue of the game.
This is broadly inline with what my gut feel was. Definitely playing less (as you say) but still playing a big majority

The average all-star in 2003 played in 79.2 games per season. 20 years later in 2023 the average all-star plays in 64.4 games per season.​

 
This is broadly inline with what my gut feel was. Definitely playing less (as you say) but still playing a big majority

The average all-star in 2003 played in 79.2 games per season. 20 years later in 2023 the average all-star plays in 64.4 games per season.​


Its a massive issue.

But I think its a symptom of the seasons being too long rather than an actual problem.

In a 82 game season - one game simply doesn't matter. In the NFL, which is 17 games - every game in the first 15 rounds matters a great deal.
 
Geelong captain and AFL Players Association president Patrick Dangerfield has declared it’s “time to shorten” quarters, adamant that record ratings and attendances wouldn’t be impacted by saying “reduce the supply and the demand goes up”.
Maybe it's time to retire Paddy if the games are getting too long for you
 
That’s fair. I find a lot of stuff on the Age is normally quite good and they definitely go for quality over quantity.

Anyway as mentioned in other post I am hardly wanting to spend more time debating the quality of this article and newspapers in general. I was just sharing a snippet of crows related stuff on an important issue of elite young talent.

I am convinced we have the best youngsters (23 and under) since our inception years but ultimately time will tell.

Could be a handful of elite players coming thru in that age group alongside Dawson and Rankine etc
I've gone further & said this is the best list we've ever assembled .....yes TWT

Have to remember on top of this list, we'll add first round pick every year
 
I've gone further & said this is the best list we've ever assembled .....yes TWT

Have to remember on top of this list, we'll add first round pick every year
I genuinely hope you are right. I suppose at this point alot is still potential - yet to be fully proven - and we may be projecting some early signs and hoping players turn out elite or at least A graders (Curtin, Draper, Soligo, Max, Worrell etc). Even Fog and Murray have shown enough to hope they become true A graders in time. I had high hopes for Pedlar end of 2023 but impossible to still be as high conviction on him.

I agree certainly from a depth perspective we have never looked better and the list is very well placed now for 7/8 years+ I believe due to the large amount of young talent. Now to just bring in at least one quality piece each year like NWM this year hopefully. Exciting times certainly.

In the early days Roo and Hart were talked about as budding stars when young (16/17) and Rehn showed very early on he was an immense talent. Ditto Smart and Wellman. We were confident we had a handful of absolute stars of the game and IMO this has yet to be fully proven from the current crop.

Ps still believing Pedlar can make it? Seems hard to see how he is best 25 currently so will need to prove himself in SANFL or wait for an injury to a small forward.
 
It's a Melbourne newspaper article. Who buys Melbourne newspapers? Melbourne residents...

Pure Victorian propaganda. Nothing more.
We usually have a better season when the Victorians are not rating us...
 

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