Opinion Non-Crows AFL 4: The Centre Cannot Hold

[1970crow]

And by ‘few who are out’ you mean ‘zero’.

What I've heard is that there are at least a couple that are out. It's just not news if they're not interested in making a public announcement. How would it be turned into a story for you or i to read?

 

[hey shorty]

Was a good leader at rostrevor college in his draft year and i'd guess at some stage he might end up playing with the old collegians side..lots do

Or Old Iggies where a large bunch of his mates, and his sister plays in the womens side.

 

[Mego Red]

My view, if you are going to be a politically woke organisation to please all, make sure you ******* do it properly. Dont do an amateur hour half arsed effort that undoes all the hard work in appealing to the muslim community.

The guernseys were always an over reach and frankly even GWS need to be publicly torn to shreds for not ringing the AFL and suggest an alternative needs to be found, due to religious reasons. You know, the whole multicultural thing you guys want to promote?

TERRIBLE take.

Being Muslim doesn't need to make you prejudiced to LGBTQI people. Many aren't.

And wearing a guernsey showing support for others isn't going to turn her gay.

Religious beliefs are just that. Something you've chosen to believe. If part of the dogma is being prejudiced against someone due to their race, gender or sexuality - then you can **** right off.

If she's a bigot, then I'm not sure what sympathy needs to be shown to her for her decision.

 

[Geoffa32]

There are Gay Muslims. Like Jews and Christians.

It is just bigotry. Hiding behind religion.

Tex missed games for similar comments. Why isn't she?

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[1970crow]

TERRIBLE take.

Being Muslim doesn't need to make you prejudiced to LGBTQI people. Many aren't.

And wearing a guernsey showing support for others isn't going to turn her gay.

Religious beliefs are just that. Something you've chosen to believe. If part of the dogma is being prejudiced against someone due to their race, gender or sexuality - then you can fu** right off.

If she's a bigot, then I'm not sure what sympathy needs to be shown to her for her decision.

I'm not into any form of organised religion, if I was forced to choose one, I'd certainly not be looking in the direction of Islam or Christianity. But, I can understand that there are people who are that devout and are among others whose interpretations result in these kind of stances. Obviously I don't agree with it, as I see the original premise fatally flawed before we even start with interpretations.

I don't know if this is insane or not, but I can kind of respect their conviction to their religion. This chick, as far as I know, isn't preaching at anyone, she probably hoped to just quietly miss this round. And I'd expect that the her fellow players are respectful of her religious beliefs and she's not being vilified for them.

You can't just lump these type of devout people into the same bin as those that are bigoted for the shits and giggles.

 

[brucetiki]

I'm not into any form of organised religion, if I was forced to choose one, I'd certainly not be looking in the direction of Islam or Christianity. But, I can understand that there are people who are that devout and are among others whose interpretations result in these kind of stances. Obviously I don't agree with it, as I see the original premise fatally flawed before we even start with interpretations.

I don't know if this is insane or not, but I can kind of respect their conviction to their religion. This chick, as far as I know, isn't preaching at anyone, she probably hoped to just quietly miss this round. And I'd expect that the her fellow players are respectful of her religious beliefs and she's not being vilified for them.

You can't just lump these type of devout people into the same bin as those that are bigoted for the shits and giggles.

I tend to agree with this.

She has chosen to sit out the game because of her personal beliefs. It’s no different to say, Rashid Khan wearing a non-advertisement playing strip for the Strikers in 2017 when West End were the major sponsor.

She’s not out there sprouting homophobic rubbish.

I don’t agree with her viewpoint, but I understand why she opted to sit out the game.

 

[footy4ever]

So...was my post deleted for some reason?

 

[FullyBigKPro]

Tennis was good in the box the other night

 

[hey shorty]

Pinot ??

Not a fan

 

[1970crow]

Tennis was good in the box the other night

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Pinot? Do enjoy a good one. We've been trying to find Grenache when out recently as haven't had any in ages, but haven't had any luck. Sometimes it's nice to start dinner by diving straight into red, but I find it hard to just hook straight into the deeper styles.

 

[1970crow]

Pinot ??

Not a fan

Snaperoo

 

[arrowman]

Pinot? Do enjoy a good one. We've been trying to find Grenache when out recently as haven't had any in ages, but haven't had any luck. Sometimes it's nice to start dinner by diving straight into red, but I find it hard to just hook straight into the deeper styles.

Can recommend Maxwell's Four Roads Grenache. I'm old enough to remember when Grenache was the staple for cask wines, and any bottle Grenache was dodgy. It's taken me a while to get over that prejudice.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Pinot? Do enjoy a good one. We've been trying to find Grenache when out recently as haven't had any in ages, but haven't had any luck. Sometimes it's nice to start dinner by diving straight into red, but I find it hard to just hook straight into the deeper styles.

Pinot not my favourite, but ok when decent fruit & flavour in a cooler climate

Ashton Hills do a decent one.

Grenache - Kay Brothers & Kalleske both do good drops.

 

[Mego Red]

I tend to agree with this.

She has chosen to sit out the game because of her personal beliefs. It’s no different to say, Rashid Khan wearing a non-advertisement playing strip for the Strikers in 2017 when West End were the major sponsor.

She’s not out there sprouting homophobic rubbish.

I don’t agree with her viewpoint, but I understand why she opted to sit out the game.

Are you comparing a beer brand to refusing to acknowledge LGBT people?

I feel like there's a BIG difference there ...

 

[1970crow]

Are you comparing a beer brand to refusing to acknowledge LGBT people?

I feel like there's a BIG difference there ...

No, the principle behind the decision is the same. It's made based on devout religious beliefs. Obviously this is a person that gets on well with non heterosexuals, but actively supporting something that goes against her religious beliefs crosses the line. She's not campaigning or preaching against it but nor does she fee she can actively support it.

 

[FAITH]

I normally like your posts but you’ve come off as bit of a know-it-all lately.

According to one of our own players, Ailish Considine, 2/3 of the list are LGBTQ+. https://www.the42.ie/ailish-considine-3-5458351-Jun2021/?amp=1

You mean always?

Sad end for Luke Valente...

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Was always a meh proposition.

 

[Vader]

Are you comparing a beer brand to refusing to acknowledge LGBT people?

I feel like there's a BIG difference there ...

So you think believers should pick & choose which of their religion's beliefs they should & shouldn't stand up for? Utter garbage. They either take a stand on both, or neither - but not one over the other.

 

[Mego Red]

So you think believers should pick & choose which of their religion's beliefs they should & shouldn't stand up for? Utter garbage. They either take a stand on both, or neither - but not one over the other.

I don't give a shit if they want to offer religion as a motivation. Completely irrelevant what particular set of beliefs they want to hold.

My obvious point was that someone disagreeing with a sponsor logo is vastly different than someone being prejudiced towards the sexuality of their teammates.

If you can't understand that, I'm not sure what to tell you.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

No, the principle behind the decision is the same. It's made based on devout religious beliefs. Obviously this is a person that gets on well with non heterosexuals, but actively supporting something that goes against her religious beliefs crosses the line. She's not campaigning or preaching against it but nor does she fee she can actively support it.

Correct .....the two points (alcohol, and LGBT) are deep rooted beliefs that are not open to negotiation within the community

The reason it hasn't been raised till now is due to the dilemma of partiality ....you favor one segment of the population to the detriment of another ....this during a time where the public would prefer acceptance of both segments

It's not easy .....hence why it's been largely unspoken ....however this stance is unwavering

 

[1970crow]

I don't give a sh*t if they want to offer religion as a motivation. Completely irrelevant what particular set of beliefs they want to hold.

My obvious point was that someone disagreeing with a sponsor logo is vastly different than someone being prejudiced towards the sexuality of their teammates.

If you can't understand that, I'm not sure what to tell you.

There's no evidence that she's prejudiced. And not promoting something that your religion says is wrong is the same, be it alcohol or sexuality. If you can't understand that then I'm not sure what to tell you.

 

[Mego Red]

There's no evidence that she's prejudiced. And not promoting something that your religion says is wrong is the same, be it alcohol or sexuality. If you can't understand that then I'm not sure what to tell you.

If you don't see that saying no to recognising your teammates sexuality is innately prejudiced, then I don't know what to tell you.

It's completely different to feeling discomfort around a sponsor product. People CHOOSE to drink beer, or be Muslim. No one chooses to be gay.

Pride round doesn't "promote" gayness. Trust me, I can't imagine it needs promoting. Pride Round says that LGBT people can be safe and accepted within AFLW - except her actions show that no, people DON'T all accept them.

It is absolutely the same as refusing to wear an indigenous guernsey. Race and sexuality are just part of someone's humanness.

 

[Vader]

I don't give a sh*t if they want to offer religion as a motivation. Completely irrelevant what particular set of beliefs they want to hold.

My obvious point was that someone disagreeing with a sponsor logo is vastly different than someone being prejudiced towards the sexuality of their teammates.

If you can't understand that, I'm not sure what to tell you.

It's not different at all. They believe something, because of their religion. Whether it's advertising or sexual choice is irrelevant - they either believe it's wrong, and take a stand - or they don't, and prove themselves to be a hypocrite. There is no difference - you either believe it, or you don't. If you believe, then you take a stand regardless.

 

[Vader]

If you don't see that saying no to recognising your teammates sexuality is innately prejudiced, then I don't know what to tell you.

It's completely different to feeling discomfort around a sponsor product. People CHOOSE to drink beer, or be Muslim. No one chooses to be gay.

Pride round doesn't "promote" gayness. Trust me, I can't imagine it needs promoting. Pride Round says that LGBT people can be safe and accepted within AFLW - except her actions show that no, people DON'T all accept them.

It is absolutely the same as refusing to wear an indigenous guernsey. Race and sexuality are just part of someone's humanness.

Pride round doesn't promote gayness - but it does promote acceptance of gayness, which is something that many religions are diametrically opposed to.

 

[1970crow]

Pride round doesn't promote gayness - but it does promote acceptance of gayness, which is something that many religions are diametrically opposed to.

It sounds like she's not opposed to it, more a live and let live attitude of tolerance. But actively promoting something the religion is against is a step too far. Given her desire to progress far in her faith, it seems that she has found a very reasonable position.

 

[brucetiki]

It's completely different to feeling discomfort around a sponsor product. People CHOOSE to drink beer, or be Muslim. No one chooses to be gay.

You do realise why Muslims can’t promote alcohol right? It’s more than discomfort for them.

There is a world of difference between ‘My beliefs are this and I have to do this to stick to my beliefs’ and ‘These are my beliefs. You will conform to them or else’.

At no stage has she vilified the LGBTIQ community with her decision to sit out the game. She believes her religion means she couldn’t wear the guernsey GWS were going to wear last night, so she made herself unavailable. Now, if GWS decide to have an Australian Christian Lobby themed guernsey next week, their LGBTIQ players would almost certainly sit out the game because their sexuality would mean they cannot support wearing that guernsey.