Opinion Non-Crows AFL 5: Save Ken

[Bazz_27]

I think you need to also acknowledge the fact that the Pies have trained in these scenarios many times in training, be it a few points up or down.

The coach and players interviewed after the game, all stressed this aspect in the interviews.

It wasnt just the Bombers poor effort in the last few minutes, but also the Pies ability to have composure and execute what they simulate at practice during training in matchday.

These H&A close wins of theres will hold them in good stead come finals.

The execution is amazing by the pies, triple m interview with pendles explaining what they (him and Darcy Moore) planned while the bombers player was having a shot at goal was great to listen to. Something I wish the crows had the experience and footy brains to do.

Ultimately though the bombers lost a 2 on 1 to win the game, they didn't man up etc..

 

[GROTTO]

The execution is amazing by the pies, triple m interview with pendles explaining what they (him and Darcy Moore) planned while the bombers player was having a shot at goal was great to listen to. Something I wish the crows had the experience and footy brains to do.

Ultimately though the bombers lost a 2 on 1 to win the game, they didn't man up etc..

I also think that not enough is being made of Elliot's great mark inside 50m and he had to beat two Bombers players to take that mark.

Incredibly and stupidly he considered to play on. I cant believe players have failed to learn the mistakes from the Tigers players in the last two weeks to taking marks within 30s of the game ending and yet considering playing on when defenders are in clear vicinity of them. Staggering.

There is only two players at the AFC that I would take that shot at goal from where Elliot marked it at the G. One is Fog the other is Dawson. The only two imo that can routinely kick goals with accuracy and length in their kick.

 

[Bazz_27]

I also think that not enough is being made of Elliot's great mark inside 50m and he had to beat two Bombers players to take that mark.

Incredibly and stupidly he considered to play on. I cant believe players have failed to learn the mistakes from the Tigers players in the last two weeks to taking marks within 30s of the game ending and yet considering playing on when defenders are in clear vicinity of them. Staggering.

There is only two players at the AFC that I would take that shot at goal from where Elliot marked it at the G. One is Fog the other is Dawson. The only two imo that can routinely kick goals with accuracy and length in their kick.

The mark & the goal are both absolute top shelf. I am not sure that many players would kick that goal after the siren in the whole league. It goes straight through the middle. Umpire doesn't move

 

[AFC979810]

The execution is amazing by the pies, triple m interview with pendles explaining what they (him and Darcy Moore) planned while the bombers player was having a shot at goal was great to listen to. Something I wish the crows had the experience and footy brains to do.

Ultimately though the bombers lost a 2 on 1 to win the game, they didn't man up etc..

A fair bit of luck goes into winning those close ones.

Look at Port Adelaide. In 2021 they went 5-0 in games decided by 12 points or less. This year they are 2-6 in games decided by 12 points or less. Did they forget how to win?

In Collingwoods 9 game win streak they have won 7 of those games by a combined 40 points. Its a crazy run and whilst its impressive 6 of the 7 wins have come against teams that won't be playing finals.

I will be loading up on the Pies winning less games in 2023 than they will win in 2022 when the markets open early next year.

 

[GROTTO]

The mark & the goal are both absolute top shelf. I am not sure that many players would kick that goal after the siren in the whole league. It goes straight through the middle. Umpire doesn't move

That was a 50m+ kick when you consider where he kicked it from and where it landed behind the goals.

Many players have the leg in them, but the accuracy and most importantly the mental aspect to steady and focus on kicking the goal is probably the most important variable for a lot of player.

 

[Jetwa5h]

The veteran coach that’s a “better fit” for North Melbourne than Clarkson

“It’s about as good of a comparison as you can get with North.”

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Of course it makes sense Kane.......

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[Sanders]

A fair bit of luck goes into winning those close ones.

Look at Port Adelaide. In 2021 they went 5-0 in games decided by 12 points or less. This year they are 2-6 in games decided by 12 points or less. Did they forget how to win?

In Collingwoods 9 game win streak they have won 7 of those games by a combined 40 points. Its a crazy run and whilst its impressive 6 of the 7 wins have come against teams that won't be playing finals.

I will be loading up on the Pies winning less games in 2023 than they will win in 2022 when the markets open early next year.

I saw a stat yesterday that (excluding draws) Hardwick had won 8 games by less than a goal in 292 games

macrae has won 5 games by less than a goal in 18 games

It’s luck. And it will swing the other way

 

[Rotayjay]

A fair bit of luck goes into winning those close ones.

Look at Port Adelaide. In 2021 they went 5-0 in games decided by 12 points or less. This year they are 2-6 in games decided by 12 points or less. Did they forget how to win?

In Collingwoods 9 game win streak they have won 7 of those games by a combined 40 points. Its a crazy run and whilst its impressive 6 of the 7 wins have come against teams that won't be playing finals.

I will be loading up on the Pies winning less games in 2023 than they will win in 2022 when the markets open early next year.

Max Barry, creator of Squiggle, agrees that there is more luck in close games than what people think. If your side keeps winning close ones you can expect that they will start losing. I suppose almost every goal is close to being a behind if your foot landed on the ball slightly differently.

 

[Sanders]

Max Barry, creator of Squiggle, agrees that there is more luck in close games than what people think. If your side keeps winning close ones you can expect that they will start losing. I suppose almost every goal is close to being a behind if your foot landed on the ball slightly differently.

In prospect theory, which won the Nobel prize for economics despite being written by psychologists, they talk about people being terrible judges of risk and probability.

So if a coin comes up heads a couple of times, they automatically assume it will be tails next time. But they assume the average will come through in the sequences we assume.

If you toss a coin 10 times you might get a very skewed distribution, and the more you toss it the more likely you will eventually get to an even split but it’s not guaranteed.

 

[MarcusP2]

Max Barry, creator of Squiggle, agrees that there is more luck in close games than what people think. If your side keeps winning close ones you can expect that they will start losing. I suppose almost every goal is close to being a behind if your foot landed on the ball slightly differently.

You can't 'expect they will start losing', if it's luck it just means it doesn't mean you're more likely to win.

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

You can't 'expect they will start losing', if it's luck it just means it doesn't mean you're more likely to win.

I think it’s compared to winning by big margins.

 

[GreyCrow]

I think you need to also acknowledge the fact that the Pies have trained in these scenarios many times in training, be it a few points up or down.

The coach and players interviewed after the game, all stressed this aspect in the interviews.

It wasnt just the Bombers poor effort in the last few minutes, but also the Pies ability to have composure and execute what they simulate at practice during training in matchday.

These H&A close wins of theres will hold them in good stead come finals.

Imagine training for real gameday situations

 

[Slippery Pete]

I saw a stat yesterday that (excluding draws) Hardwick had won 8 games by less than a goal in 292 games

macrae has won 5 games by less than a goal in 18 games

It’s luck. And it will swing the other way

Mind you it was pretty hard to get within a goal of Richmond for a while there

 

[SugarShane]

I saw a stat yesterday that (excluding draws) Hardwick had won 8 games by less than a goal in 292 games

macrae has won 5 games by less than a goal in 18 games

It’s luck. And it will swing the other way

Like most stats you can read whatever you want into it. From the other side of the fence you can argue only winning 8 by less than a goal means you normally win by more than a goal, which is probably preferable.

 

[Slippery Pete]

Like most stats you can read whatever you want into it. From the other side of the fence you can argue only winning 8 by less than a goal means you normally win by more than a goal, which is probably preferable.

It’s a combination of factors.

Some teams do have a knack of winning the close ones.

There is some luck involved, no doubt, but there is also strategy and having players who exhibit coolness and sound decision making under pressure.

 

[SugarShane]

It’s a combination of factors.

Some teams do have a knack of winning the close ones.

There is some luck involved, no doubt, but there is also strategy and having players who exhibit coolness and sound decision making under pressure.

Something like "Record in games decided under a goal" would give a clear picture. Need to know if Dimma is something like 8-2, 8-8 or 8-16.

 

[kirky]

A fair bit of luck goes into winning those close ones.

Look at Port Adelaide. In 2021 they went 5-0 in games decided by 12 points or less. This year they are 2-6 in games decided by 12 points or less. Did they forget how to win?

In Collingwoods 9 game win streak they have won 7 of those games by a combined 40 points. Its a crazy run and whilst its impressive 6 of the 7 wins have come against teams that won't be playing finals.

I will be loading up on the Pies winning less games in 2023 than they will win in 2022 when the markets open early next year.

I’m expecting the Pies to get belted in a final.

 

[GROTTO]

I’m expecting the Pies to get belted in a final.

Final seedings will be interesting.

Pies at the G in September can be overwhelming.

When they tore Richmond apart in 2018 and the crowd started chanting USA for Cox, it was imposing as it can get.

They have plenty of players with not big game day experiences, but Finals and even Grand Final appearances.

 

[GROTTO]

Imagine training for real gameday situations

Crows must be practicing match day simulations when 5 goals down at QT.

 

[GROTTO]

Jordan Dawson's goal rated in the Top 5 goals after the siren since 2000 by Fox Sports.

Where Jamie Elliott’s ‘incredible’ feat ranks among the best post-siren AFL goals since 2000

‘Hardest kick in football’: Where Pie’s ‘incredible’ feat ranks among AFL’s best post-siren goals

www.foxsports.com.au

4. Jordan Dawson

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Jordan Dawson

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27

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(Adelaide v Port Adelaide - Round 3, 2022)

Dawson’s move from Sydney to Adelaide was one of the biggest stories of last year’s trade period. In Round 3, all that haggling the Crows did with the Swans over first-round picks and the true value of Dawson — regarded as one of the best kicks in the AFL — would’ve felt worthwhile for Adelaide.

After Lachlan Murphy

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drew a free kick for high contact just before the full-time siren — but was too groggy to take the kick due to the hit from Sam Mayes

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Sam Mayes

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— Dawson stepped up and took the kick from 45m out on a tight angle on the wrong side for a left-footer — an expected accuracy of 34.6 per cent, per Champion Data.

The kick initially looked like it was going to miss to the right, but it curled back to the left — as if Crows fans let out a collective breath to blow it back towards the goal — and snuck in for the match-winning major. Dawson’s heroic effort sparked scenes of pandemonium on the field, in the stands and in the Adelaide coaches box as Matthew Nicks

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embraced his colleagues.

 

[footy4ever]

Final seedings will be interesting.

Pies at the G in September can be overwhelming.

When they tore Richmond apart in 2018 and the crowd started chanting USA for Cox, it was imposing as it can get.

They have plenty of players with not big game day experiences, but Finals and even Grand Final appearances.

A loud home crowd in a final imposing??

Nah.

Just ask Hardwick. Reckons it doesn’t make a difference…also it being a home ground doesn’t make a difference either.

 

[Geoffa32]

Like most stats you can read whatever you want into it. From the other side of the fence you can argue only winning 8 by less than a goal means you normally win by more than a goal, which is probably preferable.

Knowing how many he has lost would be interesting.

9 wins 9 losses. Statistically luck.

9 wins 1 loss, he is good at instructing his players in how to deal with tight games.

Look at Collingwood v Essendon. Collingwood players structured up and ran a direct play.
Essendon guys had no idea what to do.

That difference is coaching.

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[Kane McGoodwin]

I think you need to also acknowledge the fact that the Pies have trained in these scenarios many times in training, be it a few points up or down.

The coach and players interviewed after the game, all stressed this aspect in the interviews.

It wasnt just the Bombers poor effort in the last few minutes, but also the Pies ability to have composure and execute what they simulate at practice during training in matchday.

These H&A close wins of theres will hold them in good stead come finals.

Unfortunately we don't yet have a need to train for close games.

All our extra training should be spent on kicking the ball to a team mate... except ROB who should remind himself about how to take a mark.

 

[skittlebrew]

Knowing how many he has lost would be interesting.

9 wins 9 losses. Statistically luck.

9 wins 1 loss, he is good at instructing his players in how to deal with tight games.

Look at Collingwood v Essendon. Collingwood players structured up and ran a direct play.
Essendon guys had no idea what to do.

That difference is coaching.

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The Pies players talked about how they train close game simulations.

Belief is also a factor. Lesser teams players think they MIGHT win, whereas they have the confidence to think they WILL win.

 

[Gtowncrow]

A loud home crowd in a final imposing??

Nah.

Just ask Hardwick. Reckons it doesn’t make a difference…also it being a home ground doesn’t make a difference either.

What a w***er that guy is.