Oppo Camp Non Geelong football (AFL) discussion 2021/2022

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Definitely not a 50. He kicked it after the siren and didn’t know the umpire paid a free. Horrible umpiring throughout but sensible at the end
 
I know the free was paid to Prestia, but it was for an apparent ”hold” - if there’s something in that passage which constitutes a free kick for holding, then there should be 50 of them paid each match. We’ve all seen 2 arms around an opponent not paid as a free kick, and yet the umpire determined something in that passage wanted a holding free
I don't disagree. There were 60 free kicks paid tonight. Most of them not needed.
But the free kick was paid to him and the 50m that should of been paid was not.
It cost us the Melbourne game last year because it was the rules and had to be paid.
Not this time though. Even had time to make the correct decision, follow the rules he is paid to enforce and purposely did the opposite.
 
Doesn't matter.
A free kick was paid and he kicked the ball into the crowd thus making the didn't hear excuse redundant.

That would have applied had he kicked it in play, not hearing the whistle or siren. But he kicked it into the crowd which is timewasting.
Clear 50m.
What “time” did he waste exactly?
 

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Even when a player has a kick after the umpire hears the siren ... he could still adjudicate. If a player on the mark crossed the mark to influence the kick after the siren..it would be 50M. So the player kicking the ball into the crowd should have been adjudicated , as it normally would have been. 50M.. However , the way the discent rule has been going recently, if they could not find a richmond player who did more than enough to have the free kick over turned..id be very surprised.

Stand by for this to be fodder for the media this week.
 
What if Prestia wanted to quickly try to kick it over the defenders and hopefully bounce it through.
Couldn't do it because the ball was kicked away.
Not that this matters. The rule is it's a 50.
The rule is time wasting and there was 0:00 left.
 
What “time” did he waste exactly?
When a player on the mark is holding onto the ball and the umpire yells 'give it to him now' and he doesn't the whistle is blown and 50m paid (19.2.E).
The rule broken is timewasting (18.13.F).

So you're saying if the siren goes and that same scenario occurs the ump isn't paying 50m because there is no time to waste??
 
When a player on the mark is holding onto the ball and the umpire yells 'give it to him now' and he doesn't the whistle is blown and 50m paid (19.2.E).
The rule broken is timewasting (18.13.F).

So you're saying if the siren goes and that same scenario occurs the ump isn't paying 50m because there is no time to waste??
I mean, go for it with your hypothetical but that wasn’t the scenario here.
 
Even when a player has a kick after the umpire hears the siren ... he could still adjudicate. If a player on the mark crossed the mark to influence the kick after the siren..it would be 50M. So the player kicking the ball into the crowd should have been adjudicated , as it normally would have been. 50M.. However , the way the discent rule has been going recently, if they could not find a richmond player who did more than enough to have the free kick over turned..id be very surprised.

Stand by for this to be fodder for the media this week.
Is it dissent though when you are appealing for a free kick?
Such as you see players with arms out constantly appealing for deliberate OOB and holding the ball.
With this amazing new rule that has changed the game for the better I'm not sure you get called for dissent when appealing for something.
 
Horrible game we are all witnessing these days.
It really is. Rules are rules and players should not whinge.
Except when the rules aren't rules, but they are still rules throughout the whole game except for one second of it.
Then more rules are bought in and should be paid according to the vibe at the time and the person paying it.
It's just a shit show. The whole thing is horrible.
 
It really is. Rules are rules and players should not whinge.
Except when the rules aren't rules, but they are still rules throughout the whole game except for one second of it.
Then more rules are bought in and should be paid according to the vibe at the time and the person paying it.
It's just a shit show. The whole thing is horrible.

It's now at a point where players are hesitant to hit in hard and get the footy when it's on the deck. They don't want to give away a free kick or get penalized themselves for trying to get the footy out having an idiot sit on top of them to receive the cheapie.
It's just a terrible spectacle.

AFL = Australian Frees League.
 

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It's now at a point where players are hesitant to hit in hard and get the footy when it's on the deck. They don't want to give away a free kick or get penalized themselves for trying to get the footy out having an idiot sit on top of them to receive the cheapie.
It's just a terrible spectacle.

AFL = Australian Frees League.
Yep you're better off not going for the footy in many instances.
Not the way it should be.
 
The rule is for time wasting, impeding play or unsportsmanlike behaviour.

Hilariously, Prestia should have given away a free before he got his.
I'd rather he got the 50m and the missed after the siren. Or that the Prestia FK get overturned under the dissent rule.

Least the media have their talking points for the week. Was it a FK? Was it a 50m? Should Franklin be suspended.

All this and more next time on AFLball Z.
 
It really is. Rules are rules and players should not whinge.
Except when the rules aren't rules, but they are still rules throughout the whole game except for one second of it.
Then more rules are bought in and should be paid according to the vibe at the time and the person paying it.
It's just a shit show. The whole thing is horrible.
It’s not actually the dissent rule that is causing issues- that is rarely paid. Or that there are too many rules. It’s more that the whole game is being over-umpired at the moment. So many marking contests they pay a free instead of just accepting that its a contest and that means sometimes you come off worse but that’s ok. And they have gone nuts on paying high tackles. Half of them should be ignored - so many players creating the highness now in order to get the free. And they have to stop paying in the back for the softest of touches. The game needs to flow more - comon umps, wise up and calm down.
 
It’s not actually the dissent rule that is causing issues- that is rarely paid. Or that there are too many rules. It’s more that the whole game is being over-umpired at the moment. So many marking contests they pay a free instead of just accepting that its a contest and that means sometimes you come off worse but that’s ok. And they have gone nuts on paying high tackles. Half of them should be ignored - so many players creating the highness now in order to get the free. And they have to stop paying in the back for the softest of touches. The game needs to flow more - comon umps, wise up and calm down.
I agree. The high tackles drive me nuts.
Holding the ball too. So many are paid that shouldn't be. It's like why get the ball.
1 micro second isn't prior opportunity.
And the stupid 50's paid for "protected area" when 99% of them don't effect the game.
The dissent is just the cherry on top. It's always in the back of my mind the umpire might pay 50 for something stupid. It's hard to relax and enjoy the game.
 
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