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What are the chances these Tiger trades netting them extra first round picks will eventuate?
I'm so confused which of the appeal options they're going to run with here.
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Comes down to how desperate Hardwick is as far as Rioli is concerned.
Same with Freo - are they willing to throw first rounders in and try for a hailmary premiership in 2025.
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This is worth a look
I must admit I don't think it is anything particularly revolutionary: it's essentially an extension of the conversation we've had earlier this season about lengthening the field. Here the Hawks are trying to both lengthen and broaden the field. The key advantage they have over most teams is speed, allowing them to get to the outside quicker than their opponents.
I really like it; the Hawks have had the 2nd least amount of turnovers in recent weeks, so clearly their ball movement method works, as teams are struggling to intercept.
My one caveat would be that Joey has of course picked out a few examples from across 2 games, which makes you wonder how often it was used and how often they had to resort to other strategies. It would be interesting to see how they go from a slow play, where maybe they are held up on the half back flank or back pocket. Maybe there is a blood rule and everyone has to stop.
Assuming they make finals it will be interesting to see how often they are forced to go long down the line in September. If the answer is "not at all" we may be seeing the evolution of full length-of-field ball movement far quicker than I expected, even though I flagged it late last year. My rationale is most grounds should be far too wide for any defensive setup to prevent moving the ball from defensive 50 to forward 50 - maybe Hawthorn are proving it already.
If it works, other teams will try and copy this, and it will be interesting to see how successful it is for teams with slower players. To my mind, the ball can still move faster than any player so the speed of individual players should not be an impediment, provided they are disciplined with their positioning and unrewarded running, to create space for others as the Hawthorn players do in these clips.
I must admit I don't think it is anything particularly revolutionary: it's essentially an extension of the conversation we've had earlier this season about lengthening the field. Here the Hawks are trying to both lengthen and broaden the field. The key advantage they have over most teams is speed, allowing them to get to the outside quicker than their opponents.
I really like it; the Hawks have had the 2nd least amount of turnovers in recent weeks, so clearly their ball movement method works, as teams are struggling to intercept.
My one caveat would be that Joey has of course picked out a few examples from across 2 games, which makes you wonder how often it was used and how often they had to resort to other strategies. It would be interesting to see how they go from a slow play, where maybe they are held up on the half back flank or back pocket. Maybe there is a blood rule and everyone has to stop.
Assuming they make finals it will be interesting to see how often they are forced to go long down the line in September. If the answer is "not at all" we may be seeing the evolution of full length-of-field ball movement far quicker than I expected, even though I flagged it late last year. My rationale is most grounds should be far too wide for any defensive setup to prevent moving the ball from defensive 50 to forward 50 - maybe Hawthorn are proving it already.
If it works, other teams will try and copy this, and it will be interesting to see how successful it is for teams with slower players. To my mind, the ball can still move faster than any player so the speed of individual players should not be an impediment, provided they are disciplined with their positioning and unrewarded running, to create space for others as the Hawthorn players do in these clips.
If the players leave, they'll pretty much go for what's being reported in the media.
Bolton & Baker to Freo for their three first round picks.
Rioli to the Suns, what for is up for discussion. Either their natural first round pick, or their later two first round picks, one tied to the Bulldogs and the other an end of first round PP from North's assistance package.
Graham to West Coast, and only needs to trigger band 3 compensation for the Tigers to get a second round pick right behind their natural second round pick, giving them the first two picks of the second round.
And they currently have pick 30 (Freo's second round pick), 39 (their natural third round pick), 41 (West Coasts third round pick) and 48 (Freo's third round pick). Plus three more fourth round picks.
So they have enough late picks to package together to get our first round pick. And maybe carlton's second round pick, if Carlton feel that there might be an early bid on one of the Camporale twins.
I believe they're going to go with "whatever got Charlie Cameron off this year. Either option will do".
Get Adrian Anderson on the phone
I see one of those games was against Richmond.
Just putting it out there that they won't get away with it anywhere near as easily in finals when the pressure amps up.
Let's see how they go now that the opposition is on to it in games that really count.
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If it can help Freo win a flag I guess it's worth the risk. Also quite possible it could turn out to be one of the all time bad trades.
I suspect playing next year may have been extremely difficult given where he'll likely be for a period of time, so hardly surprising why hes pulled the pin and avoided an invetiable circus.
Shame Kiddy won't also be right for the finals given he suffered an aCL on the same night.
Huge risk, would be good for the Lions if we play them in the EF though, he would be very rusty if he played.
This appeals submission from Port is so cooked. Why are they even contesting it?
Few legit quotes from this hearing [courtesy of David Zita]:
Am I dim or what ?
Struggling to understand what the lid thing is about ,the relevance ,comparison or impact on anything to do with a bump that knocked someone out.
Completely bowled over by that one.
No, even people who regularly follow the tribunal are incredibly confused as to what exactly Port's argument is tonight.
The lid quote refers to Houston not directly contacting with the top of Rankine's soldier ... I think?
I reckon if you gave the assignment to a Grade 6 class they'd all come up with a more compelling analogy than that.
It's embarrassing someone has the gall to get paid for putting that up as some sort of defence.
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For some reason it seems quite distinctly Port Adelaide
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ah yes the Chewbacca defence
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Pressure on the next kick might be the key to break this one down. If Hawks are allowed to mark and opposition just tries to corrall them, it'll play right into their hands. Pressure should be through the roof on the immediate next target. Even if they manage to hit it, maintain the same level of pressure on every next kick and the chain will break eventually. Needs a lot of discipline across the board, if one slacks off then they'll keep playing through that free player.
We'll struggle as there is lot of ill-disciplined players around the middle and forward of center for us. They tend to cheat by sneaking forward and those attempts to cheat will be exploited by Hawks style of play. We are not meticulous across the ground yet and so far have been staying afloat with the talent in our list.
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Exemplary record like Charlie Cameron was also attempted. No joy.
lol; no doubt some sensitive folks will find this in poor taste but hasn’t taken long for the memes
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