Non-Lions Footy Discussion

[Dan12]

I don't think they'll win a flag in 2016, but I think they could have a really stunning rise up the ladder next year if they have a real good run with injuries.

Smith, Treloar, Greene, Kennedy, Cameron, Shiel, Bugg, Hampton, Tomlinson, Coniglio, and Mohr are all in that 40-60 game range where players start to really mature and can consistently do all the things that senior level footballers do.

They now have a core of genuinely good veterans in Griffen, Patfull, Mumford and Shaw. You could probably add Ward and Davis to that list as well.

Scully, Palmer, Hoskin-Elliot, Whitfield and Haynes round out what I believe is a genuinely good first 22.

The problem is that every time one of the above players misses a game, they have to be replaced with a kid with <30 games. So their best possible season largely depends on how many injuries they pick up. If Mumford does his knee again I don't know how they'd cover him.

Yeah the quality of the Giants' list hasn't really been realised by the public yet.

Mumford, Shiel, Treloar, Smith, Hoskin-Elliot, Ward, Griffen, Kelly and Whitfield is a group of midfielders and half forwards with the potential to be very, very good quite soon.
Shaw, Patfull and Davis give them experience in defence and Adam Kennedy will be a good 10 year defender. Obviously key forwards are a strength of theirs.

I think you're underselling their depth though. Below is my rough starting 18 for them in 2015. Coniglio, Greene, Lamb, Hampton, Buntine, Scully, Palmer, Haynes and Sumner are fringe or depth players. I see that as reasonable depth now, but in a couple years it will be greatly improved. Tomlinson, Plowman, Corr, McCarthy, Stewart and Mohr are fringe talls. Their three top 10 picks from this year's draft could help them immediately too.

Kennedy ?????? Patfull
Shaw Davis Bugg
Whitfield Shiel Kelly
Mumford Ward Griffen
Treloar Patton Hoskin-Elliot
?????? Cameron Smith

For mine they lack a genuine crumber, another playmaking half back, a reliable full back, a forward/ruck (why trade Giles?) and possibly a back up in case Mumford goes down (no idea who their other rucks are). But all that could easily be fixed up in a couple off seasons of recruiting. I think their success will come quicker than people realise.

 

[POBT]

What was Rohan Connolly's Twitter comment on indigenous jumpers that has got people riled up?

As an aside, this occurred to me after the Richard Hinds comment to Paps but I have a real problem with journos making offensive remarks on Twitter and then thinking that a deletion and quick "sorry" is enough. They are quite affronted when people don't cop that. I don't agree with people who harass or abuse public figures on Twitter but if that public figure makes an offensive comment, then they need to deal with people's objections rather than bitch about it.

 

[Ironmonger]

What was Rohan Connolly's Twitter comment on indigenous jumpers that has got people riled up?

As an aside, this occurred to me after the Richard Hinds comment to Paps but I have a real problem with journos making offensive remarks on Twitter and then thinking that a deletion and quick "sorry" is enough. They are quite affronted when people don't cop that. I don't agree with people who harass or abuse public figures on Twitter but if that public figure makes an offensive comment, then they need to deal with people's objections rather than bitch about it.

I don't know if there was any kind of response to Richard Hinds, but it would have take a professional journalist all of two minutes to find out what Paparone's circumstances were before publicly passing judgement on him.

As you say, it's pretty cheap to say sorry afterwards when you couldn't be arsed finding out what the context was beforehand. That said, I don't think Hinds said sorry.

 

[chopperduck]

Not very professional at all to make a comment in the first place. Shows why he is a nobody.

 

[Skoob]

Not very professional at all to make a comment in the first place. Shows why he is a nobody.

Hinds or Connolly?
Hinds is a moron.

What was Rohan Connolly's Twitter comment on indigenous jumpers that has got people riled up?

As an aside, this occurred to me after the Richard Hinds comment to Paps but I have a real problem with journos making offensive remarks on Twitter and then thinking that a deletion and quick "sorry" is enough. They are quite affronted when people don't cop that. I don't agree with people who harass or abuse public figures on Twitter but if that public figure makes an offensive comment, then they need to deal with people's objections rather than bitch about it.

I believe he commented on a pic from a match asking if there were any uglier guernseys, stating that this is supposed to be football, not a circus.
It was then pointed out that they were indigenous round guernseys. He did apologise, stating he didn't realise (which is a bit unbelievable) and that no offence was intended.
To be honest, I thought some of the indigenous round jumpers were rubbish, but I'm not indigenous. I wonder how the idigenous community rate the jumper designs for their recognition round.

 

[Fatcat08]

Yeah the quality of the Giants' list hasn't really been realised by the public yet.

Mumford, Shiel, Treloar, Smith, Hoskin-Elliot, Ward, Griffen, Kelly and Whitfield is a group of midfielders and half forwards with the potential to be very, very good quite soon.
Shaw, Patfull and Davis give them experience in defence and Adam Kennedy will be a good 10 year defender. Obviously key forwards are a strength of theirs.

I think you're underselling their depth though. Below is my rough starting 18 for them in 2015. Coniglio, Greene, Lamb, Hampton, Buntine, Scully, Palmer, Haynes and Sumner are fringe or depth players. I see that as reasonable depth now, but in a couple years it will be greatly improved. Tomlinson, Plowman, Corr, McCarthy, Stewart and Mohr are fringe talls. Their three top 10 picks from this year's draft could help them immediately too.

Kennedy ?????? Patfull
Shaw Davis Bugg
Whitfield Shiel Kelly
Mumford Ward Griffen
Treloar Patton Hoskin-Elliot
?????? Cameron Smith

For mine they lack a genuine crumber, another playmaking half back, a reliable full back, a forward/ruck (why trade Giles?) and possibly a back up in case Mumford goes down (no idea who their other rucks are). But all that could easily be fixed up in a couple off seasons of recruiting. I think their success will come quicker than people realise.

Any list that's playing 18 first round draft picks in the neafl as was the case last year has some serious upside. Their depth makes gcs look like a puddle

 

[Kojihama]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...-the-squeeze-on-bulldogs-20141020-118vp4.html

I know i'd be pissed if I was Dalhaus or Wallis and to a lesser extent Bontempelli if I wasn't getting a big upgrade given the Bulldogs management has seen fit to create a precedence whereby an unproven player can be paid $1m a year. I know it's a big risk and investment for their future but at what expense?

 

[western royboy]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...-the-squeeze-on-bulldogs-20141020-118vp4.html

I know i'd be pissed if I was Dalhaus or Wallis and to a lesser extent Bontempelli if I wasn't getting a big upgrade given the Bulldogs management has seen fit to create a precedence whereby an unproven player can be paid $1m a year. I know it's a big risk and investment for their future but at what expense?

Boyd would want to be Nick Riewoldt - on and off field to live up to the price tag. It's a very risky strategy. Having said that he just might be and no one got anywhere without taking a risk or two along the way.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...-the-squeeze-on-bulldogs-20141020-118vp4.html

I know i'd be pissed if I was Dalhaus or Wallis and to a lesser extent Bontempelli if I wasn't getting a big upgrade given the Bulldogs management has seen fit to create a precedence whereby an unproven player can be paid $1m a year. I know it's a big risk and investment for their future but at what expense?

Not sure any of the three you have mentioned would be entitled to a "big upgrade" yet, or many of the other bullies for that matter, but in any event they will get over it pretty quickly if Boyd performs to the level expected and helps get them into finals. My concern would be a few years down the track, that's when the squeeze might happen.

 

[winged1]

Boyd would want to be Nick Riewoldt - on and off field to live up to the price tag. It's a very risky strategy. Having said that he just might be and no one got anywhere without taking a risk or two along the way.

Well that's the thing they have had two generations of good sides that made prelims but never the big show. Their list is young with a bit of talent but huge risk to pay one unproven player such a big part of your salary cap.

 

[Dom PC]

This game changing free agency/trade period is a storm in a tea cup if you ask me. All players know they can get more money if they switch clubs, it has been that way since the salary cap was introduced. One trade period doesn't make a trend as well, there will be players held to their contract in the coming year's, no doubt.

 

[Ironmonger]

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/afl...otball-department-review-20141021-1197sc.html

St Kilda's revamp of its football department has continued with the resignation of Chris Pelchen.

There you go.

The Saints are big fans of making major personnel changes when it's slightly too late, it would seem. Waters was sacked after the trade period last year and now Pelchen this year.

To be fair, the article suggests the timing was deliberate.

 

[western royboy]

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/afl...otball-department-review-20141021-1197sc.html


There you go.

The Saints are big fans of making major personnel changes when it's slightly too late, it would seem. Waters was sacked after the trade period last year and now Pelchen this year.

To be fair, the article suggests the timing was deliberate.

He has been hawking himself around for weeks, he knew it was coming, Saints have redefined a lot of roles at the club there will be plenty of changes.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Is there a word in Klingon for being similtaneously proud and happy for someone and mildly nauseous at the same time?

 

[Davemonkey]

Is there a word in Klingon for being similtaneously proud and happy for someone and mildly nauseous at the same time?

Based on this resource (http://www.kli.org/tlh/phrases.html) I'd go for the composite word Maj nuqDaq 'oH puchpa''e' or 'good, where is the bathroom?'

 

[Happy_Neale]

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/afl...otball-department-review-20141021-1197sc.html


There you go.

The Saints are big fans of making major personnel changes when it's slightly too late, it would seem. Waters was sacked after the trade period last year and now Pelchen this year.

To be fair, the article suggests the timing was deliberate.

He seemed to have a pretty big part in the Watters sacking too. I wonder is resigned should be in inverted commas.

 

[Chezzalenko Reborn]

Is there a word in Klingon for being similtaneously proud and happy for someone and mildly nauseous at the same time?

Pagh!!!

 

[QAFL_Fan]

Is there a word in Klingon for being similtaneously proud and happy for someone and mildly nauseous at the same time?

Very happy for him, but surely Port, Collingwood or the Gold Coast are the 3 clubs he knew we wouldn't want him at?!

get me a bucket

 

[western royboy]

Hoping to catch up during the Test with my former coach and his protégé.

 

[Toffee Lion]

Very happy for him, but surely Port, Collingwood or the Gold Coast are the 3 clubs he knew we wouldn't want him at?!

get me a bucket

Eh, I hated Port as much as the next guy but I admire them now for the changes they've made both on and off the field in recent years.

They play a good brand of footy as well.

 

[bato]

Shots fired by GWS.

 

[QAFL_Fan]

Eh, I hated Port as much as the next guy but I admire them now for the changes they've made both on and off the field in recent years.

They play a good brand of footy as well.

Agree. They play excellent footy and I love watching them

They are still Port Adelaide though, don't let Kochy, Hinkley and the boys fool you - its still the same club!!

Hate never dies

 

[Hollow Knight]

Shots fired by GWS.

Wow, tacky.

 

[Simbatheking21]

Wow, tacky.

my thoughts exactly

 

[lionshine]

Mark Stevens @Stevo7AFL
Hearing there's more to GWS all out assault late in trade .. Offered 2 top 10 picks (definitely 4 and one of 6 or 7) for Heppell ….

Wow...