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I have a feeling Fremantle might fall away badly in 2016. Does anyone else have any thoughts on this?
agreed, and I also think the Bulldogs will come back down to earth with a bit of a thump too. Personally I think they massively overachieved last year.
 
agreed, and I also think the Bulldogs will come back down to earth with a bit of a thump too. Personally I think they massively overachieved last year.
Most teams are probably working to counter the attacks of the bulldogs and im guessing Beveridge may over think what he's doing in a similar fashion to what Hinkley did. Also think Cats will storm back into the top 8 with their new recruits.
 
I have a feeling Fremantle might fall away badly in 2016. Does anyone else have any thoughts on this?

8 players aged 30+ in 2016.

Pavlich
Sandilands
Dawson
D. Pearce
Griffin
Mzungu
Mundy
Johnson
 

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8 players aged 30+ in 2016.

Pavlich
Sandilands
Dawson
D. Pearce
Griffin
Mzungu
Mundy
Johnson

That would be scary for Freo fans, especially since nearly all of those players have been best 22 fixtures for years.

As a side that really play an attritional field position game, I think losing Sandilands of all of those players will hurt them worst. Generalising, they grind it forward and lock it in. I think it'll become a lot harder to grind it forward when your key possession winning asset retires. Also, I don't want to minimize Nat Fyfe's ability which is clearly huge, but I'll be very interested to see how he goes with a less dominant ruckman feeding the ball to him.
 
agreed, and I also think the Bulldogs will come back down to earth with a bit of a thump too. Personally I think they massively overachieved last year.
I saw the Doggies 5 times this year and rate them. They have Libber to return and if Boyd has a reasonable rate of improvement,watch out. They are incredibly hard to knock off at Etihad, which gives them a real home ground advantage. I swim at the same pool and many of their young boys are looking bloody big and strong. I think it's just as easy to make a case for North,Richmond or the Swans to drop back.
 
I saw the Doggies 5 times this year and rate them. They have Libber to return and if Boyd has a reasonable rate of improvement,watch out. They are incredibly hard to knock off at Etihad, which gives them a real home ground advantage. I swim at the same pool and many of their young boys are looking bloody big and strong. I think it's just as easy to make a case for North,Richmond or the Swans to drop back.
What goes up must come down. It's hard to back up that kind of jump, and the Bulldogs did rely heavily on Murphy + Boyd last season- both aren't getting any younger. A couple of injuries, a bit more time being put into disrupting their gameplan and they'll be in a similar position to Port this year.
 
I am by no means endorsing what Dustin did. All I think is the claims that it was somehow a DV incident are miles off. I also think that the media have sensationalised the hell out of it (first to get on the DV bandwagon when this isn't a DV issue at all). Also the women is happy to accept an apology. Now she hasn't pressed the matter further. I think she would of been able to press assault chargers one of the lawyers around here could correct me on that one. a couple of things that irk me about the reactions around here and the calling for massive bans is ridiculous. Dustin through the court of law has not been charged with a crime. The matter between himself and the women has been resolved with an apology. Now if the women didn't think that was sufficient for what he did im sure charges would of been laid etc. from what the media has claimed he did seems pretty extreme I know. But the media love to as I've said before sensationalise issues if it fits into what they want to spin. Right now Dustin is the perfect poster boy, history of drug use, shady character etc. If no one thinks the media hasn't exaggerated what happened then I'd be shocked. Just like the lewy Taylor thing, what recently has come out is so much more tame and more of a case of wrong place wrong time rather than actually going out and smashing shit. (I admit and apologise for jumping the gun on that one). The trial by media and public is getting insane. If it was really as bad as the media are claiming the women is stupid for not trying to take it further. But she hasn't, she's moved on and I think the media and footy public should too. And any more punishment for dusty is trial by media which I think is absolutely ridiculous.

Please remember the woman is a channel 7 employee the very station that covers the game. Working in the media and with an employer so involved with any negative media she has probably thought twice about further proceedings. Had she worked for channel 9 it may well be a complete different story. Like many victims they think they are somehow to blame so stay silent. It is time all men stood up and said - no more, this is unacceptable, we will not support violence against women in any circumstances.
 
If the women ain't pressing charges then it can't be as bad as it seems. The media is going to obviously hammer him because DV is such a big issue right now. And also because of his history he makes a perfect poster boy. Seeing as the women has accepted the apology I don't see any need for further punishment. I am in serious doubt that what the media said happened actually happened or was as intimidating as its being portrayed. Not saying what Dustin did was a good thing but I'd invite everyone to take a step back and think properly before having some pretty knee jerk reactions. The media SENSATIONALISE everything, especially if it suits there current agenda. dustin has apologised, now the women has accepted it. If it was as bad as the media are claiming do you really think an apology is all she'd be after? It seems to me that the victim has moved along with her life. It's the media and supporters all up in arms. I don't think he deserves a ban. this is very different from what Albert proud did.

After your incredible knee-jerk and very much over the top reactions in the Lewis Taylor thread I find the above incredibly hard to reconcile. So you're prepared to throw Taylor under the bus based on one media story and no real information but are preaching restraint in crucifying Martin? Weird
 
I have a feeling Fremantle might fall away badly in 2016. Does anyone else have any thoughts on this?
I think it all hangs on how well Sandilands, Pav and the other 30+ players they have on their list. I think they will be there abouts again but not quite good enough to make the GF but fall 1 week short. Bennell is an unbelievable get and further adds class and depth to their midfield which I rate as the best in the league right now. At the forward and backline it is a concern for them though which will hold them back.
 
After your incredible knee-jerk and very much over the top reactions in the Lewis Taylor thread I find the above incredibly hard to reconcile. So you're prepared to throw Taylor under the bus based on one media story and no real information but are preaching restraint in crucifying Martin? Weird
Just a few posts after the one you quoted Leemas does address that they went overboard on Taylor
Just like the lewy Taylor thing, what recently has come out is so much more tame and more of a case of wrong place wrong time rather than actually going out and smashing shit. (I admit and apologise for jumping the gun on that one).
 
While it's not domestic violence, it's arguably more worrying to me. Someone who's so quick to intimidate a stranger in a public setting - what are they capable of when nobody is watching? Impulse control issues.
If we were trying to put it into the basket of a particular social problem (if that is at all helpful), I think it aligns more with the "one punch can kill" campaign which is partly about developing more appropriate social behaviours and partly about understanding the enormous potential consequences of an act of violence. We'll probably never know but you have to wonder if the fact that his victim was a woman might have actually stopped him from an actual physically violent act. As you say, it is incredibly concerning that he let his anger dominate his actions to this extent.

I can't recall the actual stats but alcohol and drug fueled violence at social venues is almost exclusively an issue involving male perpetrators and male victims.
 

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If you look at the Hawks list, you could argue their 6 best players are their oldest.
S.Mitchell (turns 34 next year), S.Burgoyne (34), J.Gibson (32), L.Hodge (32), J.Lewis (30) and J.Roughead (29).

While the rest of their squad is solid. Not sure the rest are of their ilk. I also think Lake will be a big loss, Frawley is a good player, but he isn't a great kick and defensively he is not in the same class as Lake (especially in intercept marking).

It will be interesting to see if the rest of the comp can overtake them, Clarkson is as bigger factor in their success as any though (I'd argue he is a bigger factor in their 3peat then Lethal was in ours).

Provided Richmond don't lose Martin for too long, I actually think they might be the team to knock them off (of course they need to win a final first:p).
 
Next season could also be potentially tough for Sydney if they can't get Buddy and Tippett to fire at the same time. Lots of inside mids with below average-poor disposal and not a lot else, outside mids- McVeigh is about it now that Jetta's gone (serious lack of midfield balance). Not much to speak of when it comes to small forwards or half forward/half back flankers either + their key defender situation isn't much better given that Talia will probably struggle to make up for the fact that Richards looks done. Anyone know if Aliir Aliir has made any progress? They certainly need him to.
That would be scary for Freo fans, especially since nearly all of those players have been best 22 fixtures for years.

As a side that really play an attritional field position game, I think losing Sandilands of all of those players will hurt them worst. Generalising, they grind it forward and lock it in. I think it'll become a lot harder to grind it forward when your key possession winning asset retires. Also, I don't want to minimize Nat Fyfe's ability which is clearly huge, but I'll be very interested to see how he goes with a less dominant ruckman feeding the ball to him.
Sydney could also have a tough year, but they could also challenge again if
8 players aged 30+ in 2016.

Pavlich
Sandilands
Dawson
D. Pearce
Griffin
Mzungu
Mundy
Johnson
I think they really need Bennell to reach his potential if they are to have one last shot at it with this group. But it's hard to see Lyon drastically altering the way they play, and that's exactly what he'll have to do given that they'll be relying on Walters, Ballantyne, Bennell and maybe Shane Yarran to kick a lot of their goals. Taberner is apparently their most promising KPF, and he's way off (subbed off something like 8 times last season, could be a liability now that you can't do that).
 
After your incredible knee-jerk and very much over the top reactions in the Lewis Taylor thread I find the above incredibly hard to reconcile. So you're prepared to throw Taylor under the bus based on one media story and no real information but are preaching restraint in crucifying Martin? Weird
If you read all my posts instead of just immidietly attacking me after reading the first one you'll see I have admitted i jumped the gun on Taylor in light of the recent articles about the incident. It's because of that I realised how sensational the media is and maybe to take things with a little grain of salt in stead of having a complete OTT reaction like the one with Taylor.
 
If you read all my posts instead of just immidietly attacking me after reading the first one you'll see I have admitted i jumped the gun on Taylor in light of the recent articles about the incident. It's because of that I realised how sensational the media is and maybe to take things with a little grain of salt in stead of having a complete OTT reaction like the one with Taylor.

With Martin, I think you've overcorrected your response.
 
With Martin, I think you've overcorrected your response.
Im not defending Martin. What he did was cowardly and disgusting. 2 match ban maximum imo if they decide to punish him that way. I am just seriously doubting what the media claimed happened actually happened as you think it would take more than an apology to fix that.
 
Im not defending Martin. What he did was cowardly and disgusting. 2 match ban maximum imo if they decide to punish him that way. I am just seriously doubting what the media claimed happened actually happened as you think it would take more than an apology to fix that.

But you took what the media said about Taylor as truth?

How many women don't report threats/violence by men? Or, how many back down from charges once the police are involved?
 
But you took what the media said about Taylor as truth?

How many women don't report threats/violence by men? Or, how many back down from charges once the police are involved?
And how does them not reporting or backing down from charges have anything to do with this? How is that even relevant to dusty?
 
And how does them not reporting or backing down from charges have anything to do with this? How is that even relevant to dusty?

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If the women ain't pressing charges then it can't be as bad as it seems. The media is going to obviously hammer him because DV is such a big issue right now. And also because of his history he makes a perfect poster boy. Seeing as the women has accepted the apology I don't see any need for further punishment. I am in serious doubt that what the media said happened actually happened or was as intimidating as its being portrayed. Not saying what Dustin did was a good thing but I'd invite everyone to take a step back and think properly before having some pretty knee jerk reactions. The media SENSATIONALISE everything, especially if it suits there current agenda. dustin has apologised, now the women has accepted it. If it was as bad as the media are claiming do you really think an apology is all she'd be after? It seems to me that the victim has moved along with her life. It's the media and supporters all up in arms. I don't think he deserves a ban. this is very different from what Albert proud did.
 
You're clutching at straws there mate sorry. That is such a huge stretch to even try and drag those two together. Even if you can be bothered to look up the stats (I can't and don't imagine it would be that high). Also the incident has been reported. She obviously doesn't see it as serious enough to report it to the police otherwise there would be criminal charges laid?
 
You're clutching at straws there mate sorry. That is such a huge stretch to even try and drag those two together. Even if you can be bothered to look up the stats (I can't and don't imagine it would be that high). Also the incident has been reported. She obviously doesn't see it as serious enough to report it to the police otherwise there would be criminal charges laid?

Well you believed the media about Taylor's crime spree (and thought it was terrible), but you don't believe the media about the effect on this woman's life because it's not serious enough to report.

My position is that the number of threats/violence against women reports are made is the tip of the iceberg. Just because she didn't report it, doesn't mean it's not serious and hasn't affected her. Many women feel that it's easier to just let things lie, and that has to change.

That's what I was linking, I guess.
 
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