Club Focus North Melbourne 2024

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[LB2Snake]

Thats just my point
That happens to young teams without good leadership and less experience and diminish quickly when the team wins close games and gains confidence and becomes a snowball effect. There is absolutely no reason why North cant win another 5-6 games in 2025

But in saying that they certainly not helping the team selling games to WA

Trust me, I’m all on board with your plan. Mine sucks. There’s still too many seat fillers in North’s side…..Things will hopefully change with what we have coming through. We have to be on the up, just a matter of when they all put it together at same time.

 

[The Filth Wizard]

No North will offer us good picks for taking 2 off their hands. I dont think you get it, North are the ones instigating the trade

They really aren't.

 

[Tasmanian saint]

Eh? Our offer is pick 2.

Both St Kilda and Richmond have already made offers, of sorts, for this pick. Neither was compelling, but their supporters spent the day debating which was moreso.

Not sure were you get your information from but from what I’ve heard it wasn’t st kilda inquiring about pick 2 more north looking to acquire 7-8 . We have little interest in 2 . the player we want smillie you wouldn’t draft at 2 is a chance to still be there at 7 if anything we might look to live trade up to pick 5-6 to try and get him

 

[Moonatic77]

They really aren't.

Well I think North are keener to split it than Richmond are to gain it. I guess we don't agree

 

[The Filth Wizard]

Well I think North are keener to split it than Richmond are to gain it. I guess we don't agree

It will all come out in the wash. We can still pick the second best kid in it (or the best in our opinion) and then draft at the back end.

 

[the big lebowski]

How do you know this ?

Because there is a clear top 5

 

[Nutjob]

Well I think North are keener to split it than Richmond are to gain it. I guess we don't agree

No one knows, so let’s not pretend we do. All Rawlings has ever said is that we’re open to splitting the pick, but only dropping back a few spots. There won’t be a deal unless it includes pick 6. Rawlings is very honest and direct when interviewed.

Without knowing what Richmond want, I think they would like the idea of starting a new era with picks 1 & 2.


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[THE_GUN]

With whats come out about the eagles wanting to trade #3 for #15 + #16 and GWS knocking that back
Maybe teams just dont see as much value in trading up and think that there is enough gems between 10-25
that it cant justify losing the extra pick.

Its looking like St Kilda's offer is way to good for north to refuse #8 + F1

 

[LB2Snake]

Don't EVER believe the media.

FIfY

 

[LB2Snake]

Not sure were you get your information from but from what I’ve heard it wasn’t st kilda inquiring about pick 2 more north looking to acquire 7-8 . We have little interest in 2 . the player we want smillie you wouldn’t draft at 2 is a chance to still be there at 7 if anything we might look to live trade up to pick 5-6 to try and get him

FOS could be your next Banger, has endurance, breakaway speed and class.
FOS more rounded player than Smillie.
FOS can play more positions on the ground as well and be ready to play next year , Darcy Wilson style……….Smillie looks a longer term prospect, so will take sometime.

But the undervaluationof taking your guy, with certainty of the pick, where no one can effect that selection is the value in pick 2
Meanwhile we take on ALL the risk that someone else loves a Tauru, Armsrtron or @Shannahan take them prior to pick 6. The Dees in particular are very shrewd in the space
So we are now the taking the less desired option of our three, when we had a rolled gold position to start with.
I’m a bit pissed BTW, to start with…….feel like I’m typing like Stephen Hawking, so stick with me
Probs great for you guys as I’ll post less.

Then let’s say we have 11 and want Armstrong, but Melb use 9 to take him. Richmond take Shanahan and we’ve given up our hand and missed out 3 targets. We may end up with 3 very good players, with potential, but weren’t able to GUARANTEE what we want.

Again this is why pick 2 is worth a truckload this year and every year.
Getting the guys you want.

If we can’t guarantee a first target then we don’t move pick 2.

 

[LB2Snake]

OK got it North will only trade pick #2 if its a way too good to refuse deal -

I was thinking they want Tauru and just wanted something extra


Lets see what eventuates , But still love to know the top 3 picks you know as fact (if you can Pm)

We want value for 2. 6+11 is ok, but it gets shouted down like it’s outrageous. We hold the keys here, a reasonable deal it must be.
We are not asking a kings ransom for it, like WC last year, we are asking a fair and reasonable price. Richmond hold a lot of the collateral, so somehow overvaluing it because you can. We are keeping Richmond at the very pointy end of the draft. A little gratitude wouldn’t go astray.
Just show bit more class. Not you personally THE_GUN , but the general of a lot of posts are that we need you more than the other way round.

Feels like all Tigers picks are rolled gold, just like pick 6 is untouchable. But Norths is not because you are controlling the narrative.
You can do what you want with your picks, but both parties need to be happy here. It’s not a car deal mate.

Don’t get me started on the F1’s…..what a farce that is. Clubs are insane not trying get North’s F1, imagine if tigers has ours and there’s next year, they are gunna be even worse

 

[TigerTime88]

We want value for 2. 6+11 is ok, but it gets shouted down like it’s outrageous. We hold the keys here, a reasonable deal it must be.
We are not asking a kings ransom for it, like WC last year, we are asking a fair and reasonable price. Richmond hold a lot of the collateral, so somehow overvaluing it because you can. We are keeping Richmond at the very pointy end of the draft. A little gratitude wouldn’t go astray.
Just show bit more class. Not you personally THE_GUN , but the general of a lot of posts are that we need you more than the other way round.

Feels like all Tigers picks are rolled gold, just like pick 6 is untouchable. But Norths is not because you are controlling the narrative.
You can do what you want with your picks, but both parties need to be happy here. It’s not a car deal mate.

Don’t get me started on the F1’s…..what a farce that is. Clubs are insane not trying get North’s F1, imagine if tigers has ours and there’s next year, they are gunna be even worse

6 + 11 would be an absolutely horrible deal for Richmond and if Blair did that he should hand in his resignation.

 

[Tasmanian saint]

FOS could be your next Banger, has endurance, breakaway speed and class.
FOS more rounded player than Smillie.
FOS can play more positions on the ground as well and be ready to play next year , Darcy Wilson style……….Smillie looks a longer term prospect, so will take sometime.

But the undervaluationof taking your guy, with certainty of the pick, where no one can effect that selection is the value in pick 2
Meanwhile we take on ALL the risk that someone else loves a Tauru, Armsrtron or @Shannahan take them prior to pick 6. The Dees in particular are very shrewd in the space
So we are now the taking the less desired option of our three, when we had a rolled gold position to start with.
I’m a bit pissed BTW, to start with…….feel like I’m typing like Stephen Hawking, so stick with me
Probs great for you guys as I’ll post less.

Then let’s say we have 11 and want Armstrong, but Melb use 9 to take him. Richmond take Shanahan and we’ve given up our hand and missed out 3 targets. We may end up with 3 very good players, with potential, but weren’t able to GUARANTEE what we want.

Again this is why pick 2 is worth a truckload this year and every year.
Getting the guys you want.

If we can’t guarantee a first target then we don’t move pick 2.

Fair enough when it comes to drafting shouldn’t you be looking to draft the player that will be best in 5 years time not next season ? But even if we rated foss highly or one of the other guys in the top 4 there’s no certainty we’re getting them at pick 2 Richmond could take anyone of them at pick 1

 

[Rich01]

We want value for 2. 6+11 is ok, but it gets shouted down like it’s outrageous. We hold the keys here, a reasonable deal it must be.
We are not asking a kings ransom for it, like WC last year, we are asking a fair and reasonable price. Richmond hold a lot of the collateral, so somehow overvaluing it because you can. We are keeping Richmond at the very pointy end of the draft. A little gratitude wouldn’t go astray.

Feels like all Tigers picks are rolled gold, just like pick 6 is untouchable. But Norths is not because you are controlling the narrative.
You can do what you want with your picks, but both parties need to be happy here. It’s not a car deal mate.

Don’t get me started on the F1’s…..what a farce that is. Clubs are insane not trying get North’s F1, imagine if tigers has ours and there’s next year, they are gunna be even worse

Wait, so you saw that picks are valued differently to other years? Carlton attained pick 3 for 12 and 14. GWS didn’t even pick up the phone when West Coast offered 3 for their 15 and 16. 6 and 11 is not just an ‘ok’ deal, it’s insanely good this year.

Richmond (the club, not the supporters) seem interested in pick 2 but not at the same of pick six and word is they are trying to make that happen. It’s in their right to have that view and norths right to not accept any deal. But the fact the work is being done suggest that North are at least open to it. Neither is arrogant, it’s just their position.

The word through the media is that Richmond don’t want to give up pick six. The word through the media is that north are open to trading down their pick 2 and also trading their future first. They put themselves in the position in being open to selling these picks. Richmond hasn’t with pick 6.

And lots of teams are trying to get into this years draft that aren’t in the first round. It’s obvious that a premium needs to be paid. In trade week you guys threw around your future first for an early teens pick and got no bites. It may get something on draft night, but history suggests a premium is paid on this night as clubs are keen to get the player that’s on the board. I’d be suggesting that a mid teens pick for your future first would be a good result if it was put up for sale on the night. Whether you want to sell it for that price would be totally up to your club.

 

[Rich01]

FOS could be your next Banger, has endurance, breakaway speed and class.
FOS more rounded player than Smillie.
FOS can play more positions on the ground as well and be ready to play next year , Darcy Wilson style……….Smillie looks a longer term prospect, so will take sometime.

But the undervaluationof taking your guy, with certainty of the pick, where no one can effect that selection is the value in pick 2
Meanwhile we take on ALL the risk that someone else loves a Tauru, Armsrtron or @Shannahan take them prior to pick 6. The Dees in particular are very shrewd in the space
So we are now the taking the less desired option of our three, when we had a rolled gold position to start with.
I’m a bit pissed BTW, to start with…….feel like I’m typing like Stephen Hawking, so stick with me
Probs great for you guys as I’ll post less.

Then let’s say we have 11 and want Armstrong, but Melb use 9 to take him. Richmond take Shanahan and we’ve given up our hand and missed out 3 targets. We may end up with 3 very good players, with potential, but weren’t able to GUARANTEE what we want.

Again this is why pick 2 is worth a truckload this year and every year.
Getting the guys you want.

If we can’t guarantee a first target then we don’t move pick 2.

Again, this is a north problem.

You want certain players and don’t have the picks for them. It’s not the responsibility of other clubs to get them for you. Rawlings needs to work to get the best possible draft hand with what he’s got. He has pick 2 and a future 1, 2 and 3 to play with. If you want a certain player at this draft you either use it with the pick you have or trade down and hope that Rawlings has been savvy enough to land the pick in the right spot for you to pick them.

It’s a sellers market and there doesn’t seem to be any dire pressure for clubs that have multiple picks to split them unless they see the benefit for them.

Keeping and using pick 2 will guarantee the player that you want it seems. But I think the north problem is that they don’t necessarily covet the second best player in the draft, they want a bite at a couple of very good players. And they need a club to help them do that.

Brady really punched your club in the balls by ponying up so much for Daniel’s. Would have been much easier moving your first and second to get a couple of good picks in between them.

But he sets the clubs list strategy so he’s obviously got a clear plan he’s executing. Let’s see his next move.

 

[LB2Snake]

Fair enough when it comes to drafting shouldn’t you be looking to draft the player that will be best in 5 years time not next season ? But even if we rated foss highly or one of the other guys in the top 4 there’s no certainty we’re getting them at pick 2 Richmond could take anyone of them at pick 1

Agreed.....but this is same reason why us slipping back to 6 or 7 is not without risk also....regardless of how many Richmond dudes think top 6 is all the same ....this is the other reason why we need to be fairly compensated for pick , there are no guarantees in the draft....unless Tigers have 1 and 2....they can be guarantees for them

 

[LB2Snake]

Wait, so you saw that picks are valued differently to other years? Carlton attained pick 3 for 12 and 14. GWS didn’t even pick up the phone when West Coast offered 3 for their 15 and 16. 6 and 11 is not just an ‘ok’ deal, it’s insanely good this year.

Richmond (the club, not the supporters) seem interested in pick 2 but not at the same of pick six and word is they are trying to make that happen. It’s in their right to have that view and norths right to not accept any deal. But the fact the work is being done suggest that North are at least open to it. Neither is arrogant, it’s just their position.

The word through the media is that Richmond don’t want to give up pick six. The word through the media is that north are open to trading down their pick 2 and also trading their future first. They put themselves in the position in being open to selling these picks. Richmond hasn’t with pick 6.

And lots of teams are trying to get into this years draft that aren’t in the first round. It’s obvious that a premium needs to be paid. In trade week you guys threw around your future first for an early teens pick and got no bites. It may get something on draft night, but history suggests a premium is paid on this night as clubs are keen to get the player that’s on the board. I’d be suggesting that a mid teens pick for your future first would be a good result if it was put up for sale on the night. Whether you want to sell it for that price would be totally up to your club.

Provided it's your mid teens pick though right?

Yes I agree 6 and 11 is insanely good, for Richmond.......it's ok for North once we have a confident view of who's at 6 and 11. I'd rather 6 and 10, purely so Tigers don't take who we want at 11....but that's probably semantics between Blair and Brady etc

Look I have no idea what will happen, but we shouldn't be trading our F1 prior to draft night, but who knows.

You are right, Richmond has every right to do what they want, as do we.....I'm not so sure on "word through the media"....it's pretty Richmond centric at this point in time, but you do hold a bounty of picks.

So don't give up pick 6, but you surely are out of calculations for pick 2, that's ok too.

I like the narrative that we "threw around our F1 for an early teens pick" and had no takers....that's pretty wildly speculative. Our recruiting bloke mightn't have the runs on the board of yours, but he's no complete clown.
We would've been using F1 to combine in a deal with 2, but no chance we were trying to swap it for a mid teens pick.

 

[Rich01]

Provided it's your mid teens pick though right?

Yes I agree 6 and 11 is insanely good, for Richmond.......it's ok for North once we have a confident view of who's at 6 and 11. I'd rather 6 and 10, purely so Tigers don't take who we want at 11....but that's probably semantics between Blair and Brady etc

Look I have no idea what will happen, but we shouldn't be trading our F1 prior to draft night, but who knows.

You are right, Richmond has every right to do what they want, as do we.....I'm not so sure on "word through the media"....it's pretty Richmond centric at this point in time, but you do hold a bounty of picks.

So don't give up pick 6, but you surely are out of calculations for pick 2, that's ok too.

I like the narrative that we "threw around our F1 for an early teens pick" and had no takers....that's pretty wildly speculative. Our recruiting bloke mightn't have the runs on the board of yours, but he's no complete clown.
We would've been using F1 to combine in a deal with 2, but no chance we were trying to swap it for a mid teens pick.

Unlike yourself I won’t tell you what’s a good deal for your club.

But I can tell you what our clubs are trying to do. Ours has some interest in trading up to 2. Yours has some interest in trading down from 2. And offloading your future first for a trade into this draft.

We don’t know the dire need for any clubs to do these deals.

We also know that Richmond value pick 6 highly as is their right and for a trade for 2 if it occurs this will unlikely be included.

We don’t know Richmond’s appetite to trade out of this draft and into next years.

We also know north tried to get a pick in the low teens for their future first and had no luck in offloading it.

We also know that pick three this year has been valued at 12 and 14. This is well off the mooted 6 and 11 that you think is an excellent deal for Richmond.

The next few days we will obtain more information, and I’m sure more opinion from drafting ‘experts’ in this thread.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

I still dont get why Richmond is seen as the club to split with.

Its GWS id be splitting picks with

Pick 2 + F3rd for pick 15,16,21 type deal is what should be in Norths wheelhouse. Shanahan, Trainor and Hotton would be a good trio for them

For GWS a Round 1 ready midfielder like FOS would be a great fit. I also think they probably need to think more about delisted free agents then too many younger players too. Picking up 4 players and going for guys like Ben Paton and Jack Caroll seems more logical then adding to the backlog of KPPs which I feel like would happen here as its the 15-25 range thats filled with KPP talent

 

[THE_GUN]

We want value for 2. 6+11 is ok, but it gets shouted down like it’s outrageous. We hold the keys here, a reasonable deal it must be.
We are not asking a kings ransom for it, like WC last year, we are asking a fair and reasonable price. Richmond hold a lot of the collateral, so somehow overvaluing it because you can. We are keeping Richmond at the very pointy end of the draft. A little gratitude wouldn’t go astray.
Just show bit more class. Not you personally THE_GUN , but the general of a lot of posts are that we need you more than the other way round.

Feels like all Tigers picks are rolled gold, just like pick 6 is untouchable. But Norths is not because you are controlling the narrative.
You can do what you want with your picks, but both parties need to be happy here. It’s not a car deal mate.

Don’t get me started on the F1’s…..what a farce that is. Clubs are insane not trying get North’s F1, imagine if tigers has ours and there’s next year, they are gunna be even worse

That may depend on perspective on what you see as fair trade i suppose
Eagles traded #3 for #12 + #14 after GWS refused to trade #15 + #16 for pick #3 (according to Daniels tweet)

I always felt #6 + #18 was the fair deal for pick #2 but clearly Richmond have a particular player/s in that range they feel to be similar in talent and not worth the move up.

Richmond probably feel to do anything to trade for #2 it must add to #1 + #6 and not replace 1 of these selections
Richmonds picks are rolled gold only because no other team has the currency to acquire #6 or #1 because they are not nor trade.

There is mention of StKilda making an offer for #2 with #8 + F1
That looks like the best deal available for North for sliding pick #2 and maybe that will be the best deal to take
But it will pose the issue of gaining more selections for this trade as future picks dont seem to hold much value this year
and north may just have to go into next year holding 2 x 1st rounder or trade them for picks between 18-25 if they want picks this year.

It really is a strange market this year and Richmond look like they are in an enviable position holding 1/3rd of the picks inside the top 24 which also restricts trade between clubs not involving Richmond

 

[Rich01]

I still dont get why Richmond is seen as the club to split with.

Its GWS id be splitting picks with

Pick 2 + F3rd for pick 15,16,21 type deal is what should be in Norths wheelhouse. Shanahan, Trainor and Hotton would be a good trio for them

GWS said no to the Weat Coast offer of 3 for 15 and 16.

Doubtful they would give up MORE to get to 2. Seems they value the quality of players in the teens quite highly this year.

 

[THE_GUN]

Not to mention GWS have 6 list spots to fill and trading in future picks is not a priority when the mid section of this draft is where the depth is considered 15 , 16 , 21 , 37 , 56 , 74.

GWS know their own F1 has no value and if they lose 15 , 16 , they wont get players like Berry , Hotton , Lindsay
Word is they really like Hotton

 

[Tasmanian saint]

Provided it's your mid teens pick though right?

Yes I agree 6 and 11 is insanely good, for Richmond.......it's ok for North once we have a confident view of who's at 6 and 11. I'd rather 6 and 10, purely so Tigers don't take who we want at 11....but that's probably semantics between Blair and Brady etc

Look I have no idea what will happen, but we shouldn't be trading our F1 prior to draft night, but who knows.

You are right, Richmond has every right to do what they want, as do we.....I'm not so sure on "word through the media"....it's pretty Richmond centric at this point in time, but you do hold a bounty of picks.

So don't give up pick 6, but you surely are out of calculations for pick 2, that's ok too.

I like the narrative that we "threw around our F1 for an early teens pick" and had no takers....that's pretty wildly speculative. Our recruiting bloke mightn't have the runs on the board of yours, but he's no complete clown.
We would've been using F1 to combine in a deal with 2, but no chance we were trying to swap it for a mid teens pick.

I’m a neutral in this argument but To be fair in this draft I think 6/11 for pick 2 alone is quite a bit overs would north be prepared to throw something else in with pick2 to get a deal done?

 

[perplexed]

I’m a neutral in this argument but To be fair in this draft I think 6/11 for pick 2 alone is quite a bit overs would north be prepared to throw something else in with pick2 to get a deal done?

I think we could be persuaded to throw our F2 in.

 

[hilly]

It is mental to me that our future 1st seemingly doesn't have great currency. Maybe it's a good sign for 2025.