AFLW North Melbourne Football Club AFLW - Season 2024

[Teen Wolf]

To say judging where the ump throws the ball is a kin to reading the play

Judging the ball in the air, all the while sensing the positioning of your opponent, is not "akin" to reading the play. It is simply reading the play.

You are saying King was born with more talent, judged on where she went in the draft and how she now plays.

I said King has more talent based on a variety of natural abilities that Garner does not have, and I said talent scouts agreed.

Yet I pointed out King has been playing since she was 8. Garner gave up footy when she was young but came back to it. This shows Garner has more natural talent than King.

...No it doesn't. If Garner instantly dominated the competition despite that gap in her development (like Erin Phillips), you might have a point.

In reality, she only became a top player during her 4th season in the league which, again, goes to the point that her current standing is more to do with things like hard work rather than raw talent.

 

[CURVE]

I don't generally favour knee-jerk demands for team changes, especially following a big win, and after today, I'm not changing that policy. But anyone who says Pullar was clearly better than Smith and Craven was not watching the game. I'm sure Lulu will play many terrific games for North Melbourne. Today, she was not terrific. Granted, she may have contributed off the ball in areas that can't easily be detected on TV. But from what I could see, Craven and Smith had better games.

I thought she did a fairly good job in quelling Chiocci, she kept her to only 11 disposals and had little or no influence on the game.

 

[Mav]

Judging the ball in the air, all the while sensing the positioning of your opponent, is not "akin" to reading the play. It is simply reading the play.

I said King has more talent based on a variety of natural abilities that Garner does not have, and I said talent scouts agreed.

...No it doesn't. If Garner instantly dominated the competition despite that gap in her development (like Erin Phillips), you might have a point.

In reality, she only became a top player during her 4th season in the league which, again, goes to the point that her current standing is more to do with things like hard work rather than raw talent.

Now you’re comparing Garners development to Phillips, who played top level basketball. You seriously have no idea.

 

[Luke72]

It’s a talent to be able to do the hard work

 

[Luke72]

Anyway they’re all great players, personally I’m pretty excited by Taylah Gatt’s development. Kudos to the decision makers that had her compete in the recent VFLW season. The extra game time seems to have given her a lot more confidence and, based on the one game, it’s really paying off.

 

[Teen Wolf]

Now you’re comparing Garners development to Phillips, who played top level basketball. You seriously have no idea.

John Cahill (but what does he know) said this of Erin Phillips:

"The most dominant 13 year-old footballer I ever saw in my life, better than every boy at that age I've seen. If the AFLW had been in existence for all of her sporting career, she would have 11 or 12 competition best and fairests because she was just that far ahead of everyone."

So this idea that Phillips dominated AFLW because she had the "advantage" of not playing football for 19 years... yeah, think again.

 

[shinboner magic]

Output >>>>>>> ability

 

[Mav]

John Cahill (but what does he know) said this of Erin Phillips:

So this idea that Phillips dominated AFLW because she had the "advantage" of not playing football for 19 years... yeah, think again.

So you’re saying talent is the most important thing. You can’t stop contracting your self.

 

[Horace]

Yet you keep replying. I'm sorry this actual talk about football isn't as riveting as "Amy Smith sucks"; "nah you suck, Ash Riddell turns it over sometimes too"... never mind 4-letter replies and lame gifs.


Reading the play = Judging where the ball is going to be, which is essential in ruck contests, given it involves quickly assessing the height and direction of the umpire's throw. While that can be improved with practice, the best exponents seem to have a natural gift for it, as natural as Bradman picking up the length of a delivery faster than other batsmen.


Recruiters have it both ways all the time. The more natural talent a player has, the more bad habits etc they are willing to overlook.

You certainly know how to write a lot of confusing stuff. Are you the Nostrils long lost half brother/sister?

Actually I know you can't be. the Nostril at least writes stuff that we can all be clear about, which, it seems, is not one of your strengths. Oh well.

 

[Hearts to hearts]

I am sorry I brought it up.

 

[Teen Wolf]

So you’re saying talent is the most important thing. You can’t stop contracting your self.

Ok I will refrain from using words like "don't" and "can't" in this post, in order to stop "contracting".

Neither Phillips nor Garner would have become great AFLW players without the hours they put in on the training track from 2016 onwards (which was a result of their passion for the game, nothing to do with basketball). The fact that Phillips' hard work paid off first at AFLW level (by a number of years) speaks to a greater level of talent.

You certainly know how to write a lot of confusing stuff. Are you the Nostrils long lost half brother/sister?

Actually I know you can't be. the Nostril at least writes stuff that we can all be clear about, which, it seems, is not one of your strengths. Oh well.

Yes I know you are confused, thanks for the reminder. Please tell us more about how Garner is the best player in the competition, as if we all did not know that.

 

[Mav]

Ok I will refrain from using words like "don't" and "can't" in this post, in order to stop "contracting".

Neither Phillips nor Garner would have become great AFLW players without the hours they put in on the training track from 2016 onwards (which was a result of their passion for the game, nothing to do with basketball). The fact that Phillips' hard work paid off first at AFLW level (by a number of years) speaks to a greater level of talent.


Yes I know you are confused, thanks for the reminder. Please tell us more about how Garner is the best player in the competition, as if we all did not know that.

Ah, pick out an auto correct mistake, done cause I really don’t care that much. But I do enjoy making you look like a fool so I’ll spell it out for you.

You said talent isn’t the most important thing, and then pointed out the greatest ever AFLW player was the most talented junior ever.

See your contradiction? See why everyone gets confused? You only make sense in your own pea brain.

 

[Teen Wolf]

and then pointed out the greatest ever AFLW player was the most talented junior ever.

No I didn't. Jasmine Garner has been the best player in AFLW's short history, and I've made it clear that I don't think she's the most talented.

But I do enjoy making you look like a fool so I’ll spell it out for you.

A fool is somebody on the internet who brags about their daughter's local footy career.

 

[Mav]

No I didn't. Jasmine Garner has been the best player in AFLW's short history, and I've made it clear that I don't think she's the most talented.

A fool is somebody on the internet who brags about their daughter's local footy career.

No, a fool is someone who doesn’t understand context. Time for you to stop.

 

[Teen Wolf]

Telling me to stop talking about football on a football forum probably isn't going to work.

Unlike my assertions about Garner's natural ability, it is quite controversial/inaccurate to say Erin Phillips is "the greatest AFLW player ever".

Phillips is highly regarded primarily because of her 2 seasons where she averaged ~1 goal and 20+ disposals. Something nobody else has done in AFLW even once except Conti last season (0.8 goals per game)... and Garner, who has done it for the last 4 (and a bit) seasons.

 

[King Corey]

A fool is somebody on the internet who brags about their daughter's local footy career.

Dude, really?

 

[Horace]

Telling me to stop talking about football on a football forum probably isn't going to work.

Unlike my assertions about Garner's natural ability, it is quite controversial/inaccurate to say Erin Phillips is "the greatest AFLW player ever".

Phillips is highly regarded primarily because of her 2 seasons where she averaged ~1 goal and 20+ disposals. Something nobody else has done in AFLW even once except Conti last season (0.8 goals per game)... and Garner, who has done it for the last 4 (and a bit) seasons.

I'd like to stop replying to your posts, but I can't let go that ridiculous notion of yours that "talent being the least important factor".

Indeed it is in my opinion, the most important factor.

To even get a chance to be on an AFL or AFLW list, people have to have talent in the very first instance.

And the aspects of that "talent" that leads to players getting drafted, is their above average ability to kick, mark handball, jump, run, to know where to be to win contests and read the play. Not all of them have all of those features to their games nor are at the same level when it comes time for them to enter the system via the draft.

No better example of this is Nick Larkey, who we took at Pick 73 in 2015, with just four more picks after him in that draft, one of whom is Mitchell Lewis, who like Larkey has defied his ranking in that draft.

No doubt though that North Melbourne and Hawthorn identified a level of talent that both of these boys had then, which both clubs are now being rewarded for as they have developed that talent to become what they are now, and happily in the case of Nick, an All Australian.

And in essence the fact that these boys had identifiable talent is why they are where are at now.

I contend therefore that having talent is the most important factor, to get drafted in the first place, if someone is to have a career in football and more importantly,, a successful career in football.

AFL and AFLW clubs do not recruit absolute spuds like me, who had no talent - couldn't kick, couldn't jump, couldn't mark (well every now and again I could), was slower than a snail going backwards up a hill, was too short, to name just a few of my (lack of) attributes. In short I had no talent. Whatsoever.

From there on, what differentiates players, recruited because they (most importantly) have talent, are a number of things, including work ethic, endeavour, opportunity, team the player is selected by, injuries, etc.

As to one of your other assertions, being that "Garner isn't even as talented as Emma King". What rubbish. Go and ask the recruiting manager at every AFL/W club and ask them who they would prefer.

I think Emma is a very good footballer and is a key player for our team, for not least her ability, or talent, to go forward and mark and kick goals. But I think we would be in far greater trouble if we lost Jas or Ash Riddell from our midfield, than if we lost Emma, because of the ability or talent of Jas and Ash, to more often than not, win the ball from centre bounces/stoppages.

 

[Hearts to hearts]

I understand the need for silly talk during the men’s season when we are starved of football entertainment, but in the W we have an actual team and winnable games to discuss. I honestly would never have shared Gowans‘ comment if I’d any thought it would go down this dull and annoying track.

Anyhoo, do we think a unchanged team to deliver the Blues their second defeat of the weekend at Arden St on Sunday?

 

[Teen Wolf]

Brea Moody had her quietest game on the weekend in about 4 years. Played forward mostly, and definitely looked underdone. Jess Good played most ruck time for Carlton instead, and will probably do so again. Should prove to be another good opportunity for NM to get on top from the first "bounce".

Darcy Vescio was more lively in R1 than in quite some time (supposedly benefitting from corrected iron levels). Even so, not much to get carried away with from the Blues' win over GC. They tackled a lot (although 91 is still well short of the record) and showed more intensity for three quarters, then completely ran out of gas early in the 4th.

I'd like to stop replying to your posts, but I can't let go that ridiculous notion of yours that "talent being the least important factor".

As previously mentioned, it's a widespread notion in sport. For instance, Michael Jordan thinks: "Talent wins games, but teamwork and intelligence wins championships." It's obvious what he's saying there, re the importance of talent vs other factors.

As to one of your other assertions, being that "Garner isn't even as talented as Emma King". What rubbish. Go and ask the recruiting manager at every AFL/W club and ask them who they would prefer.

That question was asked in 2016, and they all said Emma King. Been over it already.

 

[Horace]

Brea Moody had her quietest game on the weekend in about 4 years. Played forward mostly, and definitely looked underdone. Jess Good played most ruck time for Carlton instead, and will probably do so again. Should prove to be another good opportunity for NM to get on top from the first "bounce".

Darcy Vescio was more lively in R1 than in quite some time (supposedly benefitting from corrected iron levels). Even so, not much to get carried away with from the Blues' win over GC. They tackled a lot (although 91 is still well short of the record) and showed more intensity for three quarters, then completely ran out of gas early in the 4th.


As previously mentioned, it's a widespread notion in sport. For instance, Michael Jordan thinks: "Talent wins games, but teamwork and intelligence wins championships." It's obvious what he's saying there, re the importance of talent vs other factors.

And without talent you win neither games nor championships Indisputable fact

That question was asked in 2016, and they all said Emma King. Been over it already.

Its not 2015. Its 2023 and if you read what I said you would see that was what I said. Its not how they were rated when they started, its how they turn out over their careers.

Tell me this though, if you had to choose. Who would you rather have in your team today? Emma or Jas.

And let me add, I think Emma is a very good and talented footballer. But she is not as good as Jas. Indisputable fact.

 

[Hearts to hearts]

Brea Moody had her quietest game on the weekend in about 4 years. Played forward mostly, and definitely looked underdone. Jess Good played most ruck time for Carlton instead, and will probably do so again. Should prove to be another good opportunity for NM to get on top from the first "bounce".

Darcy Vescio was more lively in R1 than in quite some time (supposedly benefitting from corrected iron levels). Even so, not much to get carried away with from the Blues' win over GC. They tackled a lot (although 91 is still well short of the record) and showed more intensity for three quarters, then completely ran out of gas early in the 4th.


As previously mentioned, it's a widespread notion in sport. For instance, Michael Jordan thinks: "Talent wins games, but teamwork and intelligence wins championships." It's obvious what he's saying there, re the importance of talent vs other factors.


That question was asked in 2016, and they all said Emma King. Been over it already.

Started so well.

 

[Hearts to hearts]

No changes.

 

[Sillygit]

No changes.

the team or the thread?

 

[CURVE]

 

[Luke72]

We’re looking like a really dangerous team. I love the forward structure. Alice O is an absolute weapon!