North Melbourne Priority Pick 2021

[H00t]

Your entire existence as a premiership winning club is based on being gifted a zone. Wake up sport.

Now we are going back what 40-50 years?

Haha that’s one hell of a chip on your shoulder.

 

[H00t]

Heres the thing, North are losing a player in their best 23 and have put 70 games in 8 seasons on him. Yeah the bloke played 14 games in his 1st 5 seasons due to injury and slow build up to his development. But the last 3 seasons, North have had pumped lots of games into him.

Being best 23 for a team for a team that’s going to win 3 spoons in a row and only played 70 games in 8 years isn’t a great endorsement for pick 2.

In fact in the last 2 years he’s played 33 games for 1 win. In the 11 games he hasn’t played North have won 3 times. No wonder they are shoving him out the door to try and get pick 2.

 

[perplexed]

They had both, as I said, played over 50 percent more games. It could be relevant in terms of "anomalous results" that are referenced in the rules. The fact is neither of us know what the AFL means by those intentionally vague terms.

And I don't know why you keep bringing hawthorn into this. As has been explained to you multiple times, we are likely to take Duursma and I couldn't imagine you or WC would be interested in him. You could get both a PP and pick 2 compo and we would still probably end up with the same guy as if you got nothing.

I just don't want to see tankers get benefits.

I agree that Hawthorn will probably end up with Duursma regardless. However, I mention Hawthorn because most of those dedicated to talking down McKay and whining about potential Band 1 compo are Hawthorn supporters. You guys seem fixated on it.

 

[Caligo]

I agree that Hawthorn will probably end up with Duursma regardless. However, I mention Hawthorn because most of those dedicated to talking down McKay and whining about potential Band 1 compo are Hawthorn supporters. You guys seem fixated on it.

I certainly am, but as you are fully aware it has nothing to do with hawthorn. I am just sick of your club tanking.

 

[Freomaniac]

I agree that Hawthorn will probably end up with Duursma regardless. However, I mention Hawthorn because most of those dedicated to talking down McKay and whining about potential Band 1 compo are Hawthorn supporters. You guys seem fixated on it.

Me personally, I don't care about the McKay compo pick.

Not including the McKay pick, north has pick 1 and ports 1st rounder at least

 

[big_e]

I don't mean to disparage Ben McKay, I think he's decent, but 600k is already a bonus for a player who has managed just 70 games in 7 years. I think the figure is something like 70 out of a possible 160 games. Any club worth their salt is going to add a games trigger to his contract, which won't count in his base salary.

Seriously, don't get your hopes up, none of the clubs coming for McKay want to overpay him, and none of them want to see their first rounder slide back another place given the GC bids. A trade is pretty unlikely to elicit anything better than end of first round compensation. Do you think pick 19 is really unders?

Ben McKay was drafted into a team that had just played consecutive prelims, and had Robbie Tarrant and Scott Thompson ahead of him as KPDs, meanwhile up forward we had Drew Petrie, Ben Brown, and Jarrad Waite. There's multiple All-Australians, club leading goalkickers and B&Fs in that group.

His draft profile literally says “his frame is still probably two or three years off being the right size for playing on AFL level key forwards”.

And true to form, he played 14 games in his first 5 years but has played 66 of 77 games since then.

It takes a special type of character to pot a bloke for not playing senior footy at the age of 18.

 

[Caligo]

Ben McKay was drafted into a team that had just played consecutive prelims, and had Robbie Tarrant and Scott Thompson ahead of him as KPDs, meanwhile up forward we had Drew Petrie, Ben Brown, and Jarrad Waite. There's multiple All-Australians, club leading goalkickers and B&Fs in that group.

His draft profile literally says “his frame is still probably two or three years off being the right size for playing on AFL level key forwards”.

And true to form, he played 14 games in his first 5 years but has played 66 of 77 games since then.

It takes a special type of character to pot a bloke for not playing senior footy at the age of 18.

There is absolutely no form in which 14 games in 5 years is anything even close to what is planned for any draft pick ever. Not even the most speculative category B internationals who haven't even seen a football before. Even Americans are expected to do better than that.

And saying that giving band 1 compo is anomalous in this case isn't potting anyone. It is seriously hard to get Band 1 compo. We have seen players with multiple AA jackets not get it.

 

[Red Bull]

What are North fans thinking with picks 1,2 and 16? keeping in mind gun midfielder Sanders is also likely to be added ?
How about :
1.Reid
2.Curtin
16.Best available or particular type ?
Exciting times for Roos supporters with the club building a serious list …

 

[Mitchell Madness]

He was literally on the squad as a junior.

Next Generation Academy – Northern Tasmania | AFL Tasmania

www.afltas.com.au

So you dropped him, but are now sooking it up because he's come good?

 

[Juddernaut08]

What are North fans thinking with picks 1,2 and 16? keeping in mind gun midfielder Sanders is also likely to be added ?
How about :
1.Reid
2.Curtin
16.Best available or particular type ?
Exciting times for Roos supporters with the club building a serious list …

Ideally they get a few guns and we can pick them off for cheap in 2 years' time.

 

[Red Bull]

Ideally they get a few guns and we can pick them off for cheap in 2 years' time.

Nah, North are building a serious list.
The Good Friday game between Carlton and North has the potential to develop into a real blockbuster going forward …

 

[tazaa]

So you dropped him, but are now sooking it up because he's come good?

Nah there was issues with him proving he was indigenous.
He is, so hence the assistance package we’ve now lodged with the AFL.

 

[Juddernaut08]

Nah, North are building a serious list.
The Good Friday game between Carlton and North has the potential to develop into a real blockbuster going forward …

yeah, we might set a record for how many combined no.1 picks are on field.

 

[ferball]

They had both, as I said, played over 50 percent more games. It could be relevant in terms of "anomalous results" that are referenced in the rules. The fact is neither of us know what the AFL means by those intentionally vague terms.

And I don't know why you keep bringing hawthorn into this. As has been explained to you multiple times, we are likely to take Duursma and I couldn't imagine you or WC would be interested in him. You could get both a PP and pick 2 compo and we would still probably end up with the same guy as if you got nothing.

I just don't want to see tankers get benefits.

We're not tanking.

 

[ferball]

What are North fans thinking with picks 1,2 and 16? keeping in mind gun midfielder Sanders is also likely to be added ?
How about :
1.Reid
2.Curtin
16.Best available or particular type ?
Exciting times for Roos supporters with the club building a serious list …

If we get Sanders or not I think maybe pick 2 should be one of Watson or Mckercher. We need players who are fast. We've been a slow side for too long. As Harry Sheezel showed, we need speed and good use off HF and we need pressure and dangerous smalls in our forward line.

Curtin ... maybe we'll give interstate players a miss till we're in better shape, although Logue and tucker did choose to come ti us last trade period. Some people like O'Sullivan as a KPP.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

I don't think North are asking for much. Just a couple of picks they can use after their first two picks. Picks three and four should be enough.

 

[Caligo]

We're not tanking.

I don't think you are tanking in the sense that your players are being played out of position (although that has happened) or players are being held back from games (which has also happened). But I think you team has been run for years now with the view to losing games to engineer high draft picks and wider AFL support. Sometimes that has involved coaching decisions, sometimes list management, sometimes selection. But it is a clear club wide strategy.

My club has less talent than yours, but we are actively trying to win. When you actually watch our two respective teams play the difference is enormous (even though the actual number of wins separating us isn't actually that great).

I have sympathy for the young players drafted into your club who clearly aren't getting the development they need, and so I would support you getting two elite recruitment and development coaches paid outside the soft cap. But I don't want to see this active searching for losses being rewarded at a club level in the form of prelisting top 10 talent (sanders) or biasing compo (mckay) or any more priority picks.

 

[Chadwiko]

What are North fans thinking with picks 1,2 and 16? keeping in mind gun midfielder Sanders is also likely to be added ?
How about :
1.Reid
2.Curtin
16.Best available or particular type ?
Exciting times for Roos supporters with the club building a serious list …

1. Reid (to piss off WCE fans)
2a. Bid on Walter to piss off GCS fans
2b. Whoever pisses off Hawthorn fans the most
6. Sanders (free)
14. Best available tall

 

[Caligo]

If we get Sanders or not I think maybe pick 2 should be one of Watson or Mckercher. We need players who are fast. We've been a slow side for too long. As Harry Sheezel showed, we need speed and good use off HF and we need pressure and dangerous smalls in our forward line.

Curtin ... maybe we'll give interstate players a miss till we're in better shape, although Logue and tucker did choose to come ti us last trade period. Some people like O'Sullivan as a KPP.

I agree with that. North definitely could use more speed in your midfield and better link up players to your forward line. Although I think that problem will provably solve itself quite quickly (sheezel on one HFF and Reid on the other).

Your pick 16 should be perfect for dealing with your other massive issue, a key forward to help the excellent Larkey (ironically my club is in the exact same situation looking for a Lewis partner).

 

[Caligo]

1. Reid (to piss off WCE fans)
2a. Bid on Walter to piss off GCS fans
2b. Whoever pisses off Hawthorn fans the most
6. Sanders (free)
14. Best available tall

Hawthorn will end up with one of duursma, Curtin or mckercher. I don't think we can be annoyed by any of those results (although on a personal level I don't ever want to spend an elite pick on a key defender). It is the clubs below us that will be most impacted by a NM free pick in the top 3. Somebody like say Melbourne might miss out on one of that top bracket.

 

[Only Forwards]

But I think you team has been run for years now with the view to losing games to engineer high draft picks and wider AFL support. Sometimes that has involved coaching decisions, sometimes list management, sometimes selection. But it is a clear club wide strategy.

So your position is that we are tanking because:

• We picked an overperforming (19) Shaw as coach
• proceeded to grind Shaw to dust and into a mental health facility(20) While cutting really deep on the list from players that had only led us to middling finishes.
• we engaged Paul Roos to help us build our way out who guided our coaching selection (20-21)
• Sacked our absentee president (22)
• Paul Roos moved to Hawaii taking a hand off the coaching wheel to expose that Nobel couldn't coach, Roos himself was literally phoning it in (22)
• told half our recruiting department they weren't up to scratch because of clear failures in selection (which gets bandied around here a bit) (22)
• orchestrated our head coach to need to step away from the game mid year through health concerns. (23)

all with a view so that we might get what are we talking here, 3 additional draft picks (Sanders + what we traded for Logue and Tucker)?

That is some next level conspiracy stuff.

You'd be hard pressed to find any actual North Supporter that has enjoyed this death of a thousand cuts that has brought us to where we are.

 

[Caligo]

So your position is that we are tanking because:

• We picked an overperforming (19) Shaw as coach
• proceeded to grind Shaw to dust and into a mental health facility(20) While cutting really deep on the list from players that had only led us to middling finishes.
• we engaged Paul Roos to help us build our way out who guided our coaching selection (20-21)
• Sacked our absentee president (22)
• Paul Roos moved to Hawaii taking a hand off the coaching wheel to expose that Nobel couldn't coach, Roos himself was literally phoning it in (22)
• told half our recruiting department they weren't up to scratch because of clear failures in selection (which gets bandied around here a bit) (22)
• orchestrated our head coach to need to step away from the game mid year through health concerns. (23)

all with a view so that we might get what are we talking here, 3 additional draft picks (Sanders + what we traded for Logue and Tucker)?

That is some next level conspiracy stuff.

You'd be hard pressed to find any actual North Supporter that has enjoyed this death of a thousand cuts that has brought us to where we are.

You will be celebrating it and talking about how brilliant it all was for years if your collection of 20+ first round draft picks eventually buys you a flag.

It is a long drawn out strategy which will be judged by North fans based on whether it succeeds or fails, but for people like me we will be disgusted.

WC was clearly the worst team this year and it wasn't close. But they didn't throw the towel. The idea that they could end up with pick 5 is horrendous. (Obviously that sort of thing has happened before back when GC and GWS came in, but I didn't like it then either)

 

[Crankyhawk]

I don't think you are tanking in the sense that your players are being played out of position (although that has happened) or players are being held back from games (which has also happened). But I think you team has been run for years now with the view to losing games to engineer high draft picks and wider AFL support. Sometimes that has involved coaching decisions, sometimes list management, sometimes selection. But it is a clear club wide strategy.

My club has less talent than yours, but we are actively trying to win. When you actually watch our two respective teams play the difference is enormous (even though the actual number of wins separating us isn't actually that great).

I have sympathy for the young players drafted into your club who clearly aren't getting the development they need, and so I would support you getting two elite recruitment and development coaches paid outside the soft cap. But I don't want to see this active searching for losses being rewarded at a club level in the form of prelisting top 10 talent (sanders) or biasing compo (mckay) or any more priority picks.

No great number on win difference? We have 7 they have2, that’s a 250% difference

 

[Caligo]

No great number on win difference? We have 7 they have2, that’s a 250% difference

5 wins doesn't actually feel like that much to me in the grand scheme of things. One side has shown so much endeavour though, and the other just doesn't seem to care.

And the poster boy of not caring in 2023 is McKay. Who North supporters think should net them pick 2.

 

[Philhawk]

1. Reid (to piss off WCE fans)
2a. Bid on Walter to piss off GCS fans
2b. Whoever pisses off Hawthorn fans the most
6. Sanders (free)
14. Best available tall

With this kind of keen recruiting acumen, it’s little wonder the club struggles to draft any players of substance (who don’t want abandon ship after a year).

What will be horribly unfortunate will be watching North draft 3 mids and then come back in a year, cap in hand, asking for more picks to draft some talls.

“We don’t have any key talls which is why we are this historically bad” (says the club who won’t match the McKay bid so they can get more picks for mids)