Coach Off Season changes 2024/25

[oldgoat]

give credit where credit is due. well done Peter Bell, you have left the club in a better place than when you came, that only should be praiseworthy and not a negative as some think.

lotsa feathers in his cap.
collar popped!

 

[oldgoat]

The decision to move to Geraldton for business reasons and only train once a week was a bad look in 2008.

The club were the other party to that deal,,,they thought it could work

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

I'm not sure there's any credible evidence of who wanted what with Hogan.

Undoubtedly, getting Hogan in was a good football call though. It was just very poorly executed.

No doubt the buck had to stop at Bell for that poor execution/result... whatever level he played in it.

It doesn't bode well for him managing the Petracca and Oliver situations smartly though. Although, perhaps he's learnt from it.

Those rumours add up with the fact that pretty much immediately after Ross and Rosich were gone, we went off the "talented but troubled" archetype. Those types were cleared out and from then on we basically stayed well away from that. It's a shift that pretty much everyone knew had happened, but we had Walls this year admitting as much (https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2024-media-miscellaneous-thread.1340022/post-83964094).

 

[stax on the mull]

There was an interview with Peter Bell on Monday Nov 4, if anyone hasn't heard it. (I can't remember how to put the audio into the thread).

Peter Bell: Fremantle Dockers - Wide World of Sports 6PR

Adam Papalia and David Mundy speak with Peter Bell about his decision to leave the Fremantle Dockers.

omny.fm

 

[arsesmart]

Those rumours add up with the fact that pretty much immediately after Ross and Rosich were gone, we went off the "talented but troubled" archetype. Those types were cleared out and from then on we basically stayed well away from that. It's a shift that pretty much everyone knew had happened, but we had Walls this year admitting as much (https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/2024-media-miscellaneous-thread.1340022/post-83964094).

Ahh ye olde "no d-heads policy"... Classic it is.

And here I was thinking it was just an inexperienced coach and uptight footy boss not able to rub their tummy and tap their heads at the same time.

 

[CapitalA]

I'm not sure there's any credible evidence of who wanted what with Hogan.

Undoubtedly, getting Hogan in was a good football call though. It was just very poorly executed.

No doubt the buck had to stop at Bell for that poor execution/result... whatever level he played in it.

It doesn't bode well for him managing the Petracca and Oliver situations smartly though. Although, perhaps he's learnt from it.

Nah, the buck stopped with Rosich actually.

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

Ahh ye olde "no d-heads policy"... Classic it is.

And here I was thinking it was just an inexperienced coach and uptight footy boss not able to rub their tummy and tap their heads at the same time.

“At the end of 2015, when we finished the home and away season on top of the ladder, it was ‘we need more talent, more talent,’” Walls said. “A lot of the heart and soul players were taken away when you look at guys like (Tendai) Mzungu, (Michael) Barlow, (Alex) Silvagni, Matt de Boer.

“Back then, we wanted talent and brought in guys like Harley Bennell.”

“Now, it’s all about the draft,” Walls said. “It’s been a commitment by the club for a long time to go to the draft and do it the right way instead of looking for short-term fixes.”

Fremantle also committed to prioritising character over talent. The Dockers had been burnt by a series of off-field indiscretions. No matter how good a player may be, Fremantle won’t go near them if there was any history of nuisance.

“A lot of our time is spent interviewing players, getting references and psychology profiling,” Walls said. “Our strategy first and foremost is to bring in good people that are going to work hard.

“Talent attracts you to them. But sometimes you’re looking at some talented players and they have indiscretions or some question marks about them. We just avoid them.”

 

[Paracleet]

Nah, the buck stopped with Rosich actually.

The buck stopped with Bell. Literally it did, he was head of footy. Rosich couldn't make him do anything. Sure they might have put pressure on him to do what they wanted, but in the end he still had a choice.

 

[freo1997]

Nah, the buck stopped with Rosich actually.

That off season it sure did.

 

[CapitalA]

The buck stopped with Bell. Literally it did, he was head of footy. Rosich couldn't make him do anything. Sure they might have put pressure on him to do what they wanted, but in the end he still had a choice.

I'm not buying it. The CEO can fire the head of footy and you think he can't make him do a trade?

 

[Paracleet]

I'm not buying it. The CEO can fire the head of footy and you think he can't make him do a trade?

No he can't fire you or make you do a trade because the head of footy reports to the board (and by extension the whole footy department). This a fact. One you will no doubt try to rationalise away, but it is. The CEO is responsible for all commercial and administrative activities, but not the actual football operations.

 

[arsesmart]

“At the end of 2015, when we finished the home and away season on top of the ladder, it was ‘we need more talent, more talent,’” Walls said. “A lot of the heart and soul players were taken away when you look at guys like (Tendai) Mzungu, (Michael) Barlow, (Alex) Silvagni, Matt de Boer.

“Back then, we wanted talent and brought in guys like Harley Bennell.”

“Now, it’s all about the draft,” Walls said. “It’s been a commitment by the club for a long time to go to the draft and do it the right way instead of looking for short-term fixes.”

Fremantle also committed to prioritising character over talent. The Dockers had been burnt by a series of off-field indiscretions. No matter how good a player may be, Fremantle won’t go near them if there was any history of nuisance.

“A lot of our time is spent interviewing players, getting references and psychology profiling,” Walls said. “Our strategy first and foremost is to bring in good people that are going to work hard.

“Talent attracts you to them. But sometimes you’re looking at some talented players and they have indiscretions or some question marks about them. We just avoid them.”

Yeah... I'm not sure that speaks to the Hogan scenario as it was happening at all... especially once we'd "commited" to it. And whether Bell/Lyon etc etc was for or against the move.

There's a lot of post-hindsight doctoring with truisms and the usual footy club platitudes in there too. Which is fine, just not particularly enlightening.

Essentially they went back into rebuild mode, intentionally or otherwise. To a degree it's the most comfortable mode once you've gone with a rookie coach.

All up though, the whole episode doesn't give a great impression of Belly's ability to manage "nonconformists" in a deft or creative way that will maximise the benefit to the club.

 

[arsesmart]

Nah, the buck stopped with Rosich actually.

That's a board political thing whether it ultimately did or didn't.

But Belly being in the thick of footy dept stuff, especially if things (appeared) to be spiralling, it lands at his feet.

In particular if we're looking at him sliding in his sports car to do some sort of Mr Wolfe-style cleanup at another club.

 

[CapitalA]

No he can't fire you or make you do a trade because the head of footy reports to the board (and by extension the whole footy department). This a fact. One you will no doubt try to rationalise away, but it is. The CEO is responsible for all commercial and administrative activities, but not the actual football operations.

Can you please reference something that says the head of football reports to the board and NOT the CEO?

 

[DeanS]

No he can't fire you or make you do a trade because the head of footy reports to the board (and by extension the whole footy department). This a fact. One you will no doubt try to rationalise away, but it is. The CEO is responsible for all commercial and administrative activities, but not the actual football operations.

Most of the senior management report to the Board but the Board only hires and fires the CEO. The CEO then hires and fires all other employees. That is the correct governance and structure in all entities that employ a CEO.