Official Cameron White Thread

[ThePope]

Re: Why was White made super sub?

Should let each captain choose when to have 1 power play each, with the proviso that it can't be in the final 5 overs. You'll generally get the bowling captain choosing 10-15 and the batting captain 40-45, but it could make overs 25-40 more interesting if you get the #4/5 batsmen settled in that period and the batting captain chooses to powerplay then.

 

[weevil]

Re: Why was White made super sub?

Should let each captain choose when to have 1 power play each, with the proviso that it can't be in the final 5 overs. You'll generally get the bowling captain choosing 10-15 and the batting captain 40-45, but it could make overs 25-40 more interesting if you get the #4/5 batsmen settled in that period and the batting captain chooses to powerplay then.

Yup that would be much better.

 

[mrcracker]

Re: Why was White made super sub?

I thought Pollock made a complete ********-up of the powerplay. Chose Powerplay from 10-15 when Gilchrist was in full flight. Gillie and Katich stole a few boundaries. Should have put some protection out on the boundary until Gillie was out and then used the PowerPlay in the middle overs when batsmen become more conservative.

 

[romanwfw]

Ponting's shyte use of super sub White

should have given him a few overs at the end when the world side was 8 or 9 down

f u ponting u useless prick

 

[Stafford678]

Re: Ponting's shyte use of super sub White

white is crap , he can bat okay but he is a ******** poor bowler and we are ********ed if he is the next spinner after warne and macgill, id rather see watson, symonds even clarke all bowling before white

 

[Zeke]

Re: Ponting's shyte use of super sub White

They thrashed a side boasting the best individual performers in the world and Ponting is still ********?

Get a grip.

 

[ThePope]

Re: Ponting's shyte use of super sub White

<eddiesmith mode>It's yet another example of Ponting messing with the Vics minds:
example 1:
Hodge getting test catches and wearing a baggy green, but not getting an offical game or officially being capped.
example 2:
White getting super-subbed but not being used as a bowler.
Vaughan would have had the World XI out for less than 100. Punter sucks.</eddiesmith>

 

[romanwfw]

Re: Ponting's shyte use of super sub White

i can almost guarantee they'll destory us on friday

just too much pride and ego on the line

 

[Star]

Re: Ponting's shyte use of super sub White

They thrashed a side boasting the best individual performers in the world and Ponting is still ********?

Get a grip.

I agree with Z

Ponting's first objective is to win the game. The intention of the super sub would have been to use him as the extra bowler but the way the game panned out, there was no point bowling him.

What if he bought him on at 8-for or 9-for and Akhtar or Vettori got some cheap slogs over the fence. It would have dented his confidence.

Get over this Punter-bashing

 

[Freo Big Fella]

Re: Ponting's shyte use of super sub White

I thought he used him quite well. The Vic sympathy selections should be kept as far away from playing a meaningful role as is possible.

 

[pluga_4]

Re: Why was White made super sub?

I said in the Natwest Challenge, and I'll say it again, the XI should be named after the toss!

couldn't agree more.

its clear that a few people in this forum aren't fully aware of how the super sub works. i thought white was the right choice, as it was his debut and most of all against a formidible world XI.
i think some people think it works like the ING cup of a few years back.

looking back at our supersubs:
natwest challenge game 1: batted first...supersub hogg.....(replaced hayden)
game 2...supersub..haddin (batted 2nd and won and didn't need him)
game 3...supersub...katich (batted 2nd and won and didn't need him)

 

[weevil]

Re: Why was White made super sub?

I think the “naming the sub after the toss” model is just as flawed as the current one.

In that scenario instead of allrounders teams would always pick an extra specialist as the super sub.

...You go into the game thinking you will bat first so your basic 11 has an extra batsman and you have a bowler as your super sub.

You actually lose the toss and the opposition bats. So you swap it around and nominate one of your batsman as the super sub and the bowler is elevated into the starting team.

Once the bowler bowls out his overs you might swap in the sub if they are a better fielder, otherwise you will swap them at the change of innings.

I can’t imagine a scenario in which teams would do anything different. It would simply be a way of having an extra batsman and bowler in every game.

 

[dee_molisher]

Re: Why was White made super sub?

Hussey? Symonds?

I hope for your own credibility that post was sarcastic.

Nope. Both battered like sooks if you ask me. In those last eight overs, hussey took very few risks, singles where they could have pushed for two. Symonds took far too long to get going but he is a gun so that is that. Rather Clark opening when the field is up.

 

[crownie]

Re: Why was White made super sub?

How come they didnt sub martyn off after he went out?? it would of allowed white a bat in the aussies innings!!

isnt the rule once a players gets sub then he cant go back on.

 

[mrcracker]

Re: Why was White made super sub?

A subbed player and his replacement get just one wicket and 10 overs between them. You can replace a batsman during his innings, though I don't think this would ever happen unless he got injured, and you can replace a bowler partway through their 10 overs. If Australia has bowled first and Bracken gone for 40 off his first 4 overs they could sub him for White and try 6 overs of spin instead.

 

[amnesiac]

Re: Why was White made super sub?

should've got an over or two at the end when the game was over.

no doubt the first time white bowls for australia he will be quite nervous, qoulda been good to get that out of the way first so hes better off next game.

 

[Dazman]

Re: Why was White made super sub?

It was pretty clear last night that Australia picked their best XI and have no plans of making any of those XI a super sub.

White is the 12th player added to the squad and it looks like he was selected for his all round ability.
- If Australia bats first he subs out a batsman and becomes an extra bowling option if one of the first XI bowlers gets injured, gets hammered or the pitch spins a lot. Last night Australian bowlers were on top, all five bowled well, White was not required.
- If Australia bowls first he subs out McGrath at the end of the innings to become an extra batsman. The added bonus is he can sub out a bowler before they reach their 10 overs and bowl the remainder of those 10 overs.

You make an interesting and very valid point if Australia were bowling first. White could have subbed for McGrath or Bracken after World XI innings to get into the batting order.

So after Ricky won the toss, why didn't he elect to bowl first so Australia could add White to the batting line up.

 

[oaksy]

Re: Why was White made super sub?

You make an interesting and very valid point if Australia were bowling first. White could have subbed for McGrath or Bracken after World XI innings to get into the batting order.

So after Ricky won the toss, why didn't he elect to bowl first so Australia could add White to the batting line up.

shouldn't u be getting ready for work or sumfin dazman?

 

[Half Back Flanker]

Re: Why was White made super sub?

It was pretty clear last night that Australia picked their best XI and have no plans of making any of those XI a super sub.

White is the 12th player added to the squad and it looks like he was selected for his all round ability.
- If Australia bats first he subs out a batsman and becomes an extra bowling option if one of the first XI bowlers gets injured, gets hammered or the pitch spins a lot. Last night Australian bowlers were on top, all five bowled well, White was not required.
- If Australia bowls first he subs out McGrath at the end of the innings to become an extra batsman. The added bonus is he can sub out a bowler before they reach their 10 overs and bowl the remainder of those 10 overs.

I think it was very sad that White did not get any overs, you think they would give him some experience out there in a match that had already been won, either Ponting doesn't like him or he was intent on only using his first XI.

I agree with most of this. Out of those 12 White is a good sub, You could sub him in as a batsman if you batted first and were 5-40 and make a decision to chase more runs or not when there was no need to too like last night. If you bat second he is a shoe in as soon as McGrath’s or Bracken’s ten are up.

The bottom bit is a bit hard. The bowlers used did the job, and while Ricky could have given him some experience it would be wrong to criticise him for an effort where the team dominated the World XI last night.

They won’t use Watson as the supersub after his MOM performance last night.

I think the super sub could be named after the toss from a selection of 12.

 

[eddiesmith]

Re: Why was White made super sub?

But the sub rule isnt only there to add an extra bowler or batsman otherwise they would use the stupid ING cup rule from a few years back, the way the current system is in place is not only can it cover weaknesses, but you can sub out an underperforming player. Say Australia bowl first, Lee gets smashed for 60 off 5 overs, Symonds goes for 30 of 3, you can bring on your supersub for Lee and he can finish off Lees 5 overs. If we ever see a captain use it that way, who knows, but the current rule leaves open the option of subbing off an underperforming player and letting the sub finish his overs.

Another option is a Damian Martyn goes out and bats, makes 30 off 100 balls, stops the rot, then you could sub him off and send in a big hitter for the last few overs.

There are many options available, of course Ponting wouldnt have the creativity to use it properly anyway

 

[weevil]

Re: Why was White made super sub?

The sub rule was supposed to add a dramatic new tactical dimension to the game. This point was pushed extremely hard when they were introduced. The reality is it’s just a way to add an additional batsman or bowler to your team.

There are going to be very rare occasions where teams sub out one underperforming player but it is not going to be very often at all.

But if you super sub was a truly star player they would be in your starting 11 anyway.

 

[Philhawk]

Re: Ponting's shyte use of super sub White

well its quite an arena to make your international debut , I think Pointing wanted him to embrace the experience

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Re: Ponting's shyte use of super sub White

He is rubbish anyway! Beau Casson should have been drafted in not White. He bowls pies!

 

[crownie]

Re: Why was White made super sub?

But the sub rule isnt only there to add an extra bowler or batsman otherwise they would use the stupid ING cup rule from a few years back, the way the current system is in place is not only can it cover weaknesses, but you can sub out an underperforming player. Say Australia bowl first, Lee gets smashed for 60 off 5 overs, Symonds goes for 30 of 3, you can bring on your supersub for Lee and he can finish off Lees 5 overs. If we ever see a captain use it that way, who knows, but the current rule leaves open the option of subbing off an underperforming player and letting the sub finish his overs.

Another option is a Damian Martyn goes out and bats, makes 30 off 100 balls, stops the rot, then you could sub him off and send in a big hitter for the last few overs.

There are many options available, of course Ponting wouldnt have the creativity to use it properly anyway

you can only sub people with people who havnt battered yet.if Martyn goes out you cant replace him in the batting order you have to replace someone who hasnt battered yet meaning a bowler.

 

[crownie]

Re: Why was White made super sub?

dont you guys remeber the last time Ponting ********ed around with the bowling against New Zealand it nearly lost us the game, now that his under pressure i think he will be trying to knock over ever team convincingly.