2nds Official Swans Academy Thread (Player News and Discussion)

[Grand Uncle Horace]

rather sad the Vic junior teams have to be protected from smashing delivered by the anorthern Academies.

 

[RUNVS]

The 2024 Coates League fixture has been announced:

2024 Coates Talent League fixtures released

See the fixtures for the 2024 Coates Talent League seasons

www.afl.com.au

Swans Academy Boys are playing 4 games:

Round 4 vs Gippsland Power (A)
Round 5 vs Eastern Ranges (A)
Round 6 vs Tassie Devils (H)
Round 8 vs Sandringham Dragons (A)

Full fixture: Home and Away competition fixtures | PlayHQ

It is a big shame it is only 4 games.

 

[Callipygian]

Cochran and Veerhuis awarded 2024 Frank Burton Scholarship

The QBE Sydney Swans Academy athletes have been recognised for their outstanding performance on and off the field.

www.sydneyswans.com.au

 

[bedford]

Cochran and Veerhuis awarded 2024 Frank Burton Scholarship

The QBE Sydney Swans Academy athletes have been recognised for their outstanding performance on and off the field.

www.sydneyswans.com.au

Thanks it's great to have someone that goes to these things

 

[dosser]

Was thinking I would go and watch the game against Eastern Rangers as their ground or Box Hill Oval aren't that far from me and I used to be involved with them. I clicked on the link and it's being played at Craigieburn. Craigieburn?!? What on earth??? Is it because it is closer to Sydney so the Swans don't have to travel as far?!?

 

[Adnico26Parker]

ON TODAY

AFL Sydney Male Under 22’s vs. Swans Academy Male Under 19’s

Venue: Blacktown International Sports Park, Oval 1

Entry: Free – come down and support our AFL Sydney teams!

Start time: 1:00pm

Format: 4 * 20-minute quarters (no time on)

Numbers: 18 players on the field, 5 players on the bench (23 players)

Live Stream: AFL Sydney Facebook Page from 12:55pm

EDIT: teams here AFL Sydney Men's Under 22’s v Swans Academy U19 Men, 2024, R1 - Game Centre | PlayHQ

 

[Adnico26Parker]

1/2 time

AFL Sydney 0.3 3
Swans Academy 4.3 27

Cabor with 2 goals playing forward

 

[Ticky009]

1/2 time

AFL Sydney 0.3 3
Swans Academy 4.3 27

Cabor with 2 goals playing forward

Do we dare to dream we might have a homegrown forward in the works.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

Do we dare to dream we might have a homegrown forward in the works.

Reckon he was stiff not to be picked up as. A Cat B

Meanwhile the older lads have worked their way back into it.

 

[Ticky009]

34 v 34 - we're even. Now its a slog in the wet.

 

[Ticky009]

Clinging to a 5 point lead

 

[Ticky009]

Yes! Home by 9 points.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

Bit of aggro towards the end when the younger lads got the sealer.

 

[Ticky009]

Bit of aggro towards the end when the younger lads got the sealer.

Don't have facebook so all I could do was follow the score. Hopefully we might get a clip or two from the club.

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

Don't have facebook so all I could do was follow the score. Hopefully we might get a clip or two from the club.

I am not on Faceache but for some reason could access the vision and crowd noise

 

[bedford]

Don't have facebook so all I could do was follow the score. Hopefully we might get a clip or two from the club.

You could and just follow sites like that only , do you not have X

 

[Membling]

Don't have facebook so all I could do was follow the score. Hopefully we might get a clip or two from the club.

How about the full game?

 

[Kiama Chris]

How about the full game?

Thanks. Very interesting. Pretty willing stuff.

 

[Adnico26Parker]

How about the full game?

Good to know they're livestreaming the games on YouTube!

 

[Membling]

Ok, just had a watch

Goals:
2 Cabor, 2 Mclennan, 1 Lugsdin, 1 Ryan, 1 Hawkins, 1 Andreacchio

Notes:
Cabor was lively in the first half but was somewhat quieter in the second half. Overall had a good game and was one of the overagers in the match

Este was very good in the D50 for the swans. Good reader of play.

In the middle there was often Harrison, Carmichael and King with either ruckman in Reeves. and Clifton. The underager in Carmichael was my pick of the three, with both Harrison and King doing well.

On King, he has all the tools to be a veey good AFL player. Needs to continue to develop. His kick to Hawkins to seal the match was a pearler.

Cochran was OK. Nothing particularly special he did during the match IMO.

Chamberlin was our main fwd target with our i50s and conditions not helping him on bit. Happy to impact on the contest which is a great sign.

Overall was a scrappy affair

 

[Callipygian]

Adam Kingsley, GWS senior coach, said:

"The Swans and Giants do such a great job with the Academies, but the reality is Sydney has 2500 12 to 15-year-olds to pick in their zone (whereas) we have 250. One in every 28 players join the Swans Academy, one in every four joins the Giants' Academy," he said.

"That's a reflection of participation levels because the population in both regions is almost identical. Different demographic. Indigenous, multiculturalism, rugby league and soccer are both massive in western Sydney. A lot of expats live in Sydney's eastern suburbs where AFL is more ingrained than the other areas.

'I see the opportunity to do better': Kingsley's plea to the AFL

Adam Kingsley sees his role in western Sydney as being much bigger than just the Giants. He tells Josh Gabelich the AFL needs to do more to promote the game in Sydney's west

www.afl.com.au

I am sympathetic to GWS but to me what this is saying is that GWS just haven't done anywhere near as good a job as us at developing their region.

I don't get the point about 'expats' either. What's an expat? People from other wealthy countries who live here? (If they come from poorer countries they get called migrants. There are way more migrants in western Sydney.) Somehow I doubt this is what Kingsley means but I'm stuffed if I know what he does mean. Is it an advantage to have people from overseas? Seems unlikely except I suppose you could say they are not already attached to another local code and may be more open to taking up AFL?? My dad was European and liked soccer but engaged with rugby league (in the 80s) because that was the main sport in town.

In conclusion: the AFL does need to work harder to win hearts, minds and eyeballs in western Sydney but possibly GWS also deserve some harsh scrutiny for not doing better at making inroads so far (even though they have done well in other ways).

 

[liz]

Adam Kingsley, GWS senior coach, said:

"The Swans and Giants do such a great job with the Academies, but the reality is Sydney has 2500 12 to 15-year-olds to pick in their zone (whereas) we have 250. One in every 28 players join the Swans Academy, one in every four joins the Giants' Academy," he said.

"That's a reflection of participation levels because the population in both regions is almost identical. Different demographic. Indigenous, multiculturalism, rugby league and soccer are both massive in western Sydney. A lot of expats live in Sydney's eastern suburbs where AFL is more ingrained than the other areas.

'I see the opportunity to do better': Kingsley's plea to the AFL

Adam Kingsley sees his role in western Sydney as being much bigger than just the Giants. He tells Josh Gabelich the AFL needs to do more to promote the game in Sydney's west

www.afl.com.au

I am sympathetic to GWS but to me what this is saying is that GWS just haven't done anywhere near as good a job as us at developing their region.

I don't get the point about 'expats' either. What's an expat? People from other wealthy countries who live here? (If they come from poorer countries they get called migrants. There are way more migrants in western Sydney.) Somehow I doubt this is what Kingsley means but I'm stuffed if I know what he does mean. Is it an advantage to have people from overseas? Seems unlikely except I suppose you could say they are not already attached to another local code and may be more open to taking up AFL?? My dad was European and liked soccer but engaged with rugby league (in the 80s) because that was the main sport in town.

In conclusion: the AFL does need to work harder to win hearts, minds and eyeballs in western Sydney but possibly GWS also deserve some harsh scrutiny for not doing better at making inroads so far (even though they have done well in other ways).

Agree with what you’re saying. It’s on GWS if their numbers aren’t up to scratch, particularly in the youngest age groups where kids don’t have to choose between AFL and other sports and, indeed, are encouraged to keep playing other sports (at least in the Swans’ academy system).

As for “ex-pats”, I suspect he’s referring to people from other parts of Australia, and specifically from the football-crazy states. I might be wrong, but that makes more sense in this context.

 

[bedford]

Adam Kingsley, GWS senior coach, said:

"The Swans and Giants do such a great job with the Academies, but the reality is Sydney has 2500 12 to 15-year-olds to pick in their zone (whereas) we have 250. One in every 28 players join the Swans Academy, one in every four joins the Giants' Academy," he said.

"That's a reflection of participation levels because the population in both regions is almost identical. Different demographic. Indigenous, multiculturalism, rugby league and soccer are both massive in western Sydney. A lot of expats live in Sydney's eastern suburbs where AFL is more ingrained than the other areas.

'I see the opportunity to do better': Kingsley's plea to the AFL

Adam Kingsley sees his role in western Sydney as being much bigger than just the Giants. He tells Josh Gabelich the AFL needs to do more to promote the game in Sydney's west

www.afl.com.au

I am sympathetic to GWS but to me what this is saying is that GWS just haven't done anywhere near as good a job as us at developing their region.

I don't get the point about 'expats' either. What's an expat? People from other wealthy countries who live here? (If they come from poorer countries they get called migrants. There are way more migrants in western Sydney.) Somehow I doubt this is what Kingsley means but I'm stuffed if I know what he does mean. Is it an advantage to have people from overseas? Seems unlikely except I suppose you could say they are not already attached to another local code and may be more open to taking up AFL?? My dad was European and liked soccer but engaged with rugby league (in the 80s) because that was the main sport in town.

In conclusion: the AFL does need to work harder to win hearts, minds and eyeballs in western Sydney but possibly GWS also deserve some harsh scrutiny for not doing better at making inroads so far (even though they have done well in other ways).

They got gifted everything and they have the Riverina which was always South / Sydneys region . They can get stuffed

 

[strauchanie59]

Adam Kingsley, GWS senior coach, said:

"The Swans and Giants do such a great job with the Academies, but the reality is Sydney has 2500 12 to 15-year-olds to pick in their zone (whereas) we have 250. One in every 28 players join the Swans Academy, one in every four joins the Giants' Academy," he said.

"That's a reflection of participation levels because the population in both regions is almost identical. Different demographic. Indigenous, multiculturalism, rugby league and soccer are both massive in western Sydney. A lot of expats live in Sydney's eastern suburbs where AFL is more ingrained than the other areas.

'I see the opportunity to do better': Kingsley's plea to the AFL

Adam Kingsley sees his role in western Sydney as being much bigger than just the Giants. He tells Josh Gabelich the AFL needs to do more to promote the game in Sydney's west

www.afl.com.au

I am sympathetic to GWS but to me what this is saying is that GWS just haven't done anywhere near as good a job as us at developing their region.

I don't get the point about 'expats' either. What's an expat? People from other wealthy countries who live here? (If they come from poorer countries they get called migrants. There are way more migrants in western Sydney.) Somehow I doubt this is what Kingsley means but I'm stuffed if I know what he does mean. Is it an advantage to have people from overseas? Seems unlikely except I suppose you could say they are not already attached to another local code and may be more open to taking up AFL?? My dad was European and liked soccer but engaged with rugby league (in the 80s) because that was the main sport in town.

In conclusion: the AFL does need to work harder to win hearts, minds and eyeballs in western Sydney but possibly GWS also deserve some harsh scrutiny for not doing better at making inroads so far (even though they have done well in other ways).

If the Giants actually invested time and resources into Western Sydney, they would see more results. These kids get pushed aside as the U18's/U16's get filled with more and more Riverina/ACT players each year. They'll claim that Keiren Briggs is from Western Sydney, but Pennant Hills really isn't.

From 2014-2018, it was always painful to work with GWS players at school programs who clearly didn't want to be there and the older kids would pick up on it. They want to shape this next generation of fans, but aren't willing to put in the work to do it.

From experience, too, I know a lot of kids will be looking out for someone they know/from their area who has made an AFL list. Growing up around 2006/07, our team was lucky to have Kieren Jack as someone we could look at and know that if we were good enough, we could make it. It would be an ultra rare opportunity, but an opportunity nonetheless. Who do these GWS academy kids in Western Sydney have? No one. They don't see a pathway for them to ultimately make it on an AFL list.

 

[Kiama Chris]

Agree with what you’re saying. It’s on GWS if their numbers aren’t up to scratch, particularly in the youngest age groups where kids don’t have to choose between AFL and other sports and, indeed, are encouraged to keep playing other sports (at least in the Swans’ academy system).

As for “ex-pats”, I suspect he’s referring to people from other parts of Australia, and specifically from the football-crazy states. I might be wrong, but that makes more sense in this context.

Given that GWS has access to the areas that actually historically play AFL that seems a bit odd. Maybe they have no interest in the Giants Academy?