Ok after rd.22, what will be our record??

[QT]

Ok i know everyone thinks this is a long shot, im going for 13-9, any port supporters disagree, well they can get stuffed

CARN THE CROWS!

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"I came here to win, I am a winner" - Denzel Washington , Remember The Titans ; 2000

 

[blackdiamond]

QT!

I would love to say 0-22 with the Crows finishing on the bottom but that won't happen, you are a little better than that.

You will win about 6-8 games but you have to be kidding yourself if you think you are going to win 13 games.

You have some handy players in your side but after that your players are either too young or crap.

Good Luck though!

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Port Adelaide Forever

 

[Crows.ok]

There is no reason at all why Crows can't win 13 games this season.

Crows had a poor season last year, yet still won 9 games.

Since then Crows have cut several ordinary players, gained some good prospects, improved their key position players, improved coaching staff, and will re-gain some players from injury.

In the middle stretch of last year, Crows won seven out of nine games, and at other times were very ordinary. Even in the ordinary stretch, there were quite a few narrow losses. Even only a modest improvement on last years form would see Crows with up to 13 wins this season.

In actual fact, Crows would have to have an even worse run than last year to fall back to only 6-8 wins. Crows after all do have 12 games at Footy Park.

Crows would have to slide down to the sort of performance level that Port produced last year to end up with only 6-8 wins.

I just can't see it happening. Crows are too good a team to sink that low.

 

[Guest]

Our home draw is pretty good this year. The hardest games will be Melbourne round 2, Dogs round 11 and Carlton round 19. Assuming we win one of the games against Port that means 8 winable games at Football Park so I'll mark us down for say 7.

Away, the game against Sydney this week is very important to us. The only other games that you might put us down to win would be Hawthorn (because it's at York Park)round 6, St Kilda round 15 and Freo round 22.

If we can beat Sydney that gives us 11 wins. Probably need 12 to make the eight so if we can jag another away win we should be around the mark.

I definately can't see us among the bottom four.



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[ant]

Yes, I tend to agree with everyone bar that Port loser Scott

(just kidding). I think somewhere between 10 and 13 wins is very attainable for all the reasons already expressed by my fellow posters.

 

[carb70]

It depends how many times you play Collingwood. If you play them twice you will be 2-20 but if you play them once you will be 1-21.

 

[carb70]

Being serious, how can you guys honestley believe you are going to win 13 games with that team. How many times have you won 13 games in a season?. Maybe twice and they were your Premiership years and this team is nowhere near as good as those teams. I believe Port will be lucky to win 13 games this season and we are a much better team than the Crows. I would say you guys will be lucky to win 8 maybe 9 games.

 

[QT]

AHHH MY 700TH POST!!!

What a way to celebrate it on the eve of the crows givin the swans a thrashing!!

CARN THE MIGHTY CROWS!!


P.S i wonder why macca hasnt replied yet to this post????

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"I came here to win, I am a winner" - Denzel Washington , Remember The Titans ; 2000

 

[Crows.ok]

Originally posted by carb70:
Being serious, how can you guys honestley believe you are going to win 13 games with that team. How many times have you won 13 games in a season?. Maybe twice and they were your Premiership years and this team is nowhere near as good as those teams. I believe Port will be lucky to win 13 games this season and we are a much better team than the Crows. I would say you guys will be lucky to win 8 maybe 9 games.

carb70, we are perfectly serious. Crows team in 2001 is better than the team which mid-year in 2000 won seven out of nine games.

If we have a reasonable run with injury, something that has eluded us these past four years and which is surely overdue by now, then Crows will win 13 games, perhaps even more.

Seriously.

I think you may be right about Port though, lucky to win 13 games. I'm not aware of any time in Ports history that they have achieved as high a win rate as 13 out of 22 for any reasonable stretch.

Still, there is hope, and just lately Port do seem to be getting the hang of stringing some wins together, so I guess its not out of the question for your guys to do as well as Crows will this year.

See you in the finals then.

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by QT:
AHHH MY 700TH POST!!!

What a way to celebrate it on the eve of the crows givin the swans a thrashing!!

CARN THE MIGHTY CROWS!!


P.S i wonder why macca hasnt replied yet to this post????

Well i wasnt going to reply to this thread, but seeing as im being asked to!!!

I will say that i strongly disagree about the crows getting 13 wins. 13 wins last year would of seen you finish 5th!!!! To think you can win 13 games with your squad is laughable.
I would say your greatest squad was the 1993 side. I think that was a lot better than your two premiership sides. That team only won 12 games for the year. Your two premiership sides won 13 for the year. You think this squad is as strong if not stronger than the 93,97,98 squads?? I personally think not.
I think last years form was a good guide. I believe you have your weakest squad since joining the compettion this year...in terms of the experience lost, and the massive gap between experience and rookies in your squad. There is only really 3 in between players.
Youve lost a ton of competent players in the like of koster connell james caven rehn. All i seem to hear from crows fans is how their recruits are gonna shine. They are Potentially competent players, they are not stars yet. Richardson has been average in the trials, bode will be reasonable, hewitt will be reasonable.
Your younger players will need to stand up for even a stab at the eight. If your 1-2 year 98 onward recruits cant produce much form, then the crows will be in trouble. I will say the crows can make the eight, but it would be an enormous effort with the list you have. Honestly, to say 13 games is pretty funny...i would say 5-10 games. No less than 5 due to the footy park games, no more than 10 as i dont believe you have the list or the depth to get more than 10 wins on the board. If another few players get injured then the start of the season could really be in tatters.

 

[QT]

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[Crows.ok]

Macca typed:
"There is only really 3 in between players.
Youve lost a ton of competent players in the like of koster connell james caven rehn."

I'd say that of these, Rehn (at his best form) is a loss. Crows haven't got a ruckman at the moment in as good form as Rehn at his best. McGregor at CHB this year seems to be holding his own quite well, and may prove as effective as Caven did in 97 & 98. Koster, Connell & James were OK players but have been adequately replaced. Look for midfield form from Eccles, Johnson, Bode, Ladhams, Burton, Stenglein and maybe even Shir. If we get down to Byrne, Gallager, and others then you know our injury list has grown too long and, as I have pointed out above, then we may lose form.

This is no different to previous years though. When our injury list is a bit shorter, Crows (the current players) have decent form. As I note, seven out of nine games, when injury is sustainably low.

So - if Crows "leaders/seniors" are Ricciuto, McLeod, Goodwin, Hart, Robran, Smart, Edwards, Bickley, Jarman & perhaps Vardy - then our next group of Eccles, Johnson, Burton, Welsh & Stevens seems to me to number more than three, even when you exclude Bode & Hewitt.

Oh, Macca, BTW - if Crows form last year is a guide, then why shouldn't it also be a guide for Port? Since you tip Crows are going to go from 9 games down to as low as five on the basis of their form last year, you must be (assuming you are self-consistent) tipping Port to win no more than 2 or 3 games ?

Thats not going to be much fun for you. Even I think you will do better than that.

 

[Crow54]

Can someone please explain something to me. The Victorian media has panned the Crows, saying we have an "ageing list". Now we have people bagging the Crows because we have too many young players with little experience. So, if you have old players you won't win, but if you have young players, you also won't win. Just what does a team need to be successful? Lots of middle-range players? I think the Crows qualify on this count, with Roo, Hart, Goodwin, Johnson, Vardy, etc. All the team needs to do is believe in themselves, and go for it. The wins will follow.

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by Crows.ok:
Macca typed:
"There is only really 3 in between players.
Youve lost a ton of competent players in the like of koster connell james caven rehn."

I'd say that of these, Rehn (at his best form) is a loss. Crows haven't got a ruckman at the moment in as good form as Rehn at his best. McGregor at CHB this year seems to be holding his own quite well, and may prove as effective as Caven did in 97 & 98. Koster, Connell & James were OK players but have been adequately replaced. Look for midfield form from Eccles, Johnson, Bode, Ladhams, Burton, Stenglein and maybe even Shir. If we get down to Byrne, Gallager, and others then you know our injury list has grown too long and, as I have pointed out above, then we may lose form.

This is no different to previous years though. When our injury list is a bit shorter, Crows (the current players) have decent form. As I note, seven out of nine games, when injury is sustainably low.

So - if Crows "leaders/seniors" are Ricciuto, McLeod, Goodwin, Hart, Robran, Smart, Edwards, Bickley, Jarman & perhaps Vardy - then our next group of Eccles, Johnson, Burton, Welsh & Stevens seems to me to number more than three, even when you exclude Bode & Hewitt.

Oh, Macca, BTW - if Crows form last year is a guide, then why shouldn't it also be a guide for Port? Since you tip Crows are going to go from 9 games down to as low as five on the basis of their form last year, you must be (assuming you are self-consistent) tipping Port to win no more than 2 or 3 games ?

Thats not going to be much fun for you. Even I think you will do better than that.

Ok...youve covered the loss of Koster James Connell Thiesson, with playesr that already play there anyway!! But who else..Ladhams has played one good trial, Eccles plays onthe wing anyway, So does johnson and goodwin, Shir...maybe, Stenglien plays on the wing anyway. You havent covered for their loss. Rehn is a HUGE loss. He carried the ruck all year last year, while Marsh and Clarke struggled badly. Biglands did very well for his first season.

Crows form last year was up and down, you beat mostly bottom 8 sides last year. I tip port to win from 7 to 12 games this year. Maybe 13, but that would be a lucky win. I believe Port have more reason to be optimistic...on trial form, on end of season form. Crows last half of the season was deplorable. You must agree. You were not in front at 1/4 time for the last 9 games or somethign ridiculous as that. And out of that 9, about 4 of them were by over 5 goals! Something seriously was not right. Port seemed to get their act together after mid year, where we became competitive. Crows wer every up and down and ended the season just how they started. Crows struggled at the end of the year, even with a good chance of making the finals. Port have recruited well, and have shown in the pre season and last year that they can play damaging footy.
Crows have struggled this pre season, and end of last year...that is why i believe Port will do better this year. Not to mention Port has more depth.

 

[ant]

Crows.ok,

I agree, people now are looking for reasons to bag us, too old, too young, none of those theories really hold any weight for me. I thought Melbourne were going to be bad last year, I looked at their squad and couldn't see how they could possibly make the eight. I tipped them 15th. But players like Robertson stood up, Bruce, Green, Nicholson and Farmer kicked 76 goals. Now everybody is saying how great a young squad they have, how much depth. It may be optimistic but if things go right, and certain players others don't regard very highly perform close to the maximum of their ability, we too can surprise some people.

As for losing Ellen, Koster, James etc. I think they are far from big losses, they were getting older, slower, and in the past two years hadn't really performed as in the premiership years. Getting some younger players to replace them was the way to go. I don't think we lose anything at all with those players leaving the club. The fact is those middle rung players had been letting the club down, in 97,98 they were what made us so good, we performed evenly as a team. As their performance dipped (due to injuries, lack of opportunities maybe, whatever) so too did the Crows. Now I see a freshness about the club and plenty of unfulfilled potential which I hope will be realised this year.

 

[carb70]

Originally posted by Crows.ok:
carb70, we are perfectly serious. Crows team in 2001 is better than the team which mid-year in 2000 won seven out of nine games.

If we have a reasonable run with injury, something that has eluded us these past four years and which is surely overdue by now, then Crows will win 13 games, perhaps even more.

Seriously.

I think you may be right about Port though, lucky to win 13 games. I'm not aware of any time in Ports history that they have achieved as high a win rate as 13 out of 22 for any reasonable stretch.

Still, there is hope, and just lately Port do seem to be getting the hang of stringing some wins together, so I guess its not out of the question for your guys to do as well as Crows will this year.

See you in the finals then.

Crows.ok, you might think the Crows are ok but are you ok?. Have had any knocks to the head lately?.

You rate the team now better than the one mid 2000, well overall your team sucked for all of year 2000. Port will easily win more games than the Crows. You stated that you were not aware of Port winning 13 games out of 22 but yet we have won 11 out of our last 15 games which is a higher winning percentage than 13 out of 22. Also our last 10 games last year we won 6 from ten and if we can preform at that rate this year we will win 12-13 games.

The Crows biggest problem has been their drafting. They have drafted too many duds from the SANFL such as Atkinson, Bienke, Herbert, Burton and this year Richardson. These players have added nothing to the club. If they had gone for youth in those drafts like Port did the Crows would now being seeing the rewards instead the are going to struggle to not finish in the bottom 3.

 

[QT]

Originally posted by carb70:
going to struggle to not finish in the bottom 3.

HAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHA YOU WISH MATE, YOU WISH!!

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"I came here to win, I am a winner" - Denzel Washington , Remember The Titans ; 2000

 

[Crow54]

I agree with you Carb, about the drafting, especially during Malcolm's years. He drafted for the here and now, with no thought for the future, hence the dismal performances during 1999 and 2000.

One positive thing about Robert Shaw's years was the good drafting. This could have helped us win those premierships. Only time will tell how our current crop of draftees will go, but I seriously doubt if Laurence Angwin will ever be as good as Kane Cornes. I have a feeling Laurence could be another Tom Gilligan.



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[ant]

Funny you should say that Crow54 cause both Kane Cornes and Angwin were in Glenelg's best today, though Cornes was probably BOG. Give Angwin a bit of time and he will be a significant improvement on the Tom Gilligan's of this world.

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[carb70]

Originally posted by Crow54:
I agree with you Carb, about the drafting, especially during Malcolm's years. He drafted for the here and now, with no thought for the future, hence the dismal performances during 1999 and 2000.

One positive thing about Robert Shaw's years was the good drafting. This could have helped us win those premierships. Only time will tell how our current crop of draftees will go, but I seriously doubt if Laurence Angwin will ever be as good as Kane Cornes. I have a feeling Laurence could be another Tom Gilligan.

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Crow54 are you serious?. I can't believe you would agree with me. Your'e not playing mind games with me again, are you?.

 

[kirkyno1]

Carb70, whilst I agree with your thoughts generally (the Power will probably finish slightly abovethe Crows, both sides will finish between 6-12),the Crows seem to lack something. Can't quite put my finger on it but I have to take you to task about Burton being a dud. This kid is no dud and what he does on the field excites people, how can one not be impressed by his high marking. He,Andrew McLeod and Darren Jarman, are one of the reasons I love to go to Crows games.

 

[carb70]

Sorry Kirkyno1, while I agree that McLeod and Jarman are special players who can do magical things on the field. I still think Burton is a dud. Apart from his rookie season where he finished second in the rising star award he has done nothing in AFL football. Infact he hardly has been spotted on a football field since his rookie season. Its one thing to be a promising player its another to take the next step and be a consistantly good player week in week out and I believe Burton has come nowhere near taking that next step.

 

[kirkyno1]

Originally posted by carb70:
Sorry Kirkyno1, while I agree that McLeod and Jarman are special players who can do magical things on the field. I still think Burton is a dud. Apart from his rookie season where he finished second in the rising star award he has done nothing in AFL football. Infact he hardly has been spotted on a football field since his rookie season. Its one thing to be a promising player its another to take the next step and be a consistantly good player week in week out and I believe Burton has come nowhere near taking that next step.

Carb70, he only played 9 games last year due to injury and hasn't been able to get onto the field this year. Hardly a reason to call him a dud and when he does eventually play I think he will give the Crows a spark across the wings (he returned to the side last year in the same period when they won 7 out of 9 games then he got injured) A coincidence I think not. Believe me, given todays effort they need him badly!

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by QT:

HAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHA YOU WISH MATE, YOU WISH!!

After todays performance...i dont think youll be winning more than 7 games this year

 

[carb70]

Originally posted by QT:

HAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHA YOU WISH MATE, YOU WISH!!

HA HA QT, your'e already 3rd to last and its only the 1st round. If the Crows keep up their current form they are ever chance to add a woodern spoon to that trophy cabinet.

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