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I actually agree with most of the above points but besides Murphy - who we all agree with should be sacked - who else goes out and comes in?
Sholl - who I still have serious questions on - has had his best year and likely top 10 in B&F and should stay in. Smith is out. Mc Henry is out. ROB was dropped and we saw what happened (embarrassing from many perspectives inc list mgt). Himmelberg/Burgess are as useless as each other and will be gone for TT shortly. Strachan should never play again.
I think Curtin comes in despite appearing very shaky initially and also concerned what longer term damage could be done by playing him further if he isn’t up to it this year. A risk worth taking. Bond isn’t up to it. Edwards isn’t ready. Ryan, from most SANFL watchers hasn’t been up to a debut this year but I would be tempted to give a couple of games before the end of the year.
We are basically playing almost every available option already aren’t we? Hence why we are so young and inexperienced. We have dropped all the duds except Murphy also. Jones, who had his best half a season second half of last year, has been a major disappointment this year and perhaps could have been dropped earlier.
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Sholl - who I still have serious questions on - has had his best year and likely top 10 in B&F and should stay in. Smith is out. Mc Henry is out. ROB was dropped and we saw what happened (embarrassing from many perspectives inc list mgt). Himmelberg/Burgess are as useless as each other and will be gone for TT shortly. Strachan should never play again.
I think Curtin comes in despite appearing very shaky initially and also concerned what longer term damage could be done by playing him further if he isn’t up to it this year. A risk worth taking. Bond isn’t up to it. Edwards isn’t ready. Ryan, from most SANFL watchers hasn’t been up to a debut this year but I would be tempted to give a couple of games before the end of the year.
We are basically playing almost every available option already aren’t we? Hence why we are so young and inexperienced. We have dropped all the duds except Murphy also. Jones, who had his best half a season second half of last year, has been a major disappointment this year and perhaps could have been dropped earlier.
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Perfect summation.
At what other club would Murphy and McSpudly have reached the same amount of games played? Over 150 games between them!
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And absolutely no one has complained about experienced players who are performing like a player of their age and experience should in the roles that they've given getting games.
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If we rely on him too much and don’t target Thilthorpe and Fogarty consistently with our forward entries it will.
You really think that when the heat is on Nicks and Thilthorpe has a quiet game that we won’t revert to doing whatever helps us win in the short term?
No different than dropping Dawson in defence
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Not the same. Dawson is a part of our long term future, putting him in defence at times is and should be a move we go to when needed.
Like I said, I’d still be playing Walker, he just needs to be less of a focus of our forward structure.
My fear is that when there is heat on Nicks, he’ll become desperate for wins and go back to kicking it to Tex all the time.
We stunted Thilthorpe’s development last year, because Walker was having a career best year and we were trying to ride that to the finals. We simply cannot make that mistake again.
I just think is more the others need to take that mantel off Tex if they are up to it
That’s not a development centric factor though. Being best 22 as a 34 year old in a rebuild isn’t enough. Needs to best dozen when he’s out there and whatever he’s doing needs to add value to our next flag push. Which requires him to be part of it, which, unfortunately for him, he won’t be.
This belief that players need these onfield mentors is rubbish. Who was Tex’s? Who was Hawkins’? Who was Jezza’s? Which Hawk great hung around to usher Dunstall and Dermie through?
If we are competing next year and Tex can prove he’s physically capable (last night he struggled), then he should be offered an extension. Otherwise we shouldn’t and if he’s still got petrol in the tank, he should go to a contender.
Swapping Taylor to a full game for Murphy (or Ned) to sub most likely makes us better on the day and is an investment into our future. If it was preliminary final week, you probably struggle with that decision, but where we find ourselves, it’s an absolute no brainer.
How many players are currently playing in sides they are not going to be in their nxt premiership
They’re up to it, but Tex is still designated leader up there and instructs the leading patterns.
we scream out for senior players to show leadership on the field, then we have one and he’s hindering our development
How many players are currently playing in sides they are not going to be in their nxt premiership
Due to age and where the club sits on its development path? Tex is one, I think Goldy another. Hawkins too, ex Suns captain who I didn’t even realise was still on a list until he kicked a goal last night. But those clubs reasonably think they’re competing. We’re not though. Your argument is simplistic and infantile, I’d generally expect more from you, but we are talking about an ex-Norwood player, so I understand.
And out comes the s*** arrogance that we come to expect because I differ from you, I apologise for reaching heights you couldn’t
I’m not, I firmly contend that playing guys because of experience value to others is absolute garbage. As soon as that is required to explain (excuse) selection, then it’s time to go. Now, I’m not saying Tex is there yet, he’s certainly not and is definitely best 22. And if uninjured, remains high end. But that rubbish had been used to extend/play guys well beyond their genuine positive value to team performance.
In a rebuild phase, you need to be making decisions based beyond the best way to win or minimise loss this weekend. We need to be focussing on how best to develop our contending group. If Tex can play till he’s 38, fine, extend him if his body suggests so. Believing that TT and Fog won’t develop without Tex in the forward line is rampant stupidity. But there’s definitely a risk that him continuing to control forward structures and have lead leading ball directed his way will hamper/delay their development.
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He can be best 22 and hinder our development.
Surely it’s experience if they are performing, unfortunately those 3 have been terrible this year and expect for smith, maybe their whole career. No one can ever argue that Murphy or McHenry have performed to a decent level consistently. At least McHenry isn’t getting a contract or in the leadership group. Murphy is just so limited and no idea why he has reached 100 games, worst 100 play we have ever had
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What the!! When Tex plays, he gets the best defender and gives Fog or Tilly the 2nd or 3rd best. Which gives them time to develop their game without having the best guys hammering you. Fog has improved a lot in the last 2 years because he had the second defender on him, now that he has improved his game and strength, he has been able to handle the best and still perform at a good standard. No more of that crap be played 2 years ago when he was giving away frees and just trying to wrestle everyone.
Leadership isn’t just someone telling you what to do, it’s taking ownership of the whole forward line, which Tex has done for a long time and now Fog is ready to lead us into the future
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Round 3 last year Walker didn’t play, Thilthorpe takes 3 marks inside 50 and kicks 5 goals.
Round 4 he had 18 touches, 9 marks (5 contested) and 6 score involvements.
Thilthorpe didn’t play more than 80% game time for the remainder of the year. I don’t know the numbers for targets inside 50 but from my observations we barely kicked it to him. Thilthorpe was rated elite for contested marking numbers but below average for marks inside 50.
Can’t blame him for not taking over when the opportunities haven’t been there.
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Pay attention, Fog already has.
That’s good his development isn’t hindered then
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Who knows where he'd be now if we hadn't ****ed him around with such frequency during his career.
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