Summer Olympic Sports in between Olympics thread.

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Olympic Gold Medalist Ahmed Hafnaoui Provisionally Suspended for Whereabouts Violations

Olympic gold medalist Ahmed Hafnaoui has been provisionally suspended for repeated whereabouts violations by the International Testing Agency.

www.swimmingworldmagazine.com

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

I've mentioned the under 17 girls 100m and 200m races but here is the vision to show how great a battle in both races by Thwele Philp and Amaya Mearns. Both girls are 16 and Philp ran at the U/20 World champs in the 4x100m relay in the heats and helped Oz qualify for the final. Oz were in the silver medal position but after race the 2nd baton change was reviewed as out of the box change over and Oz team were disqualified.

It says SB but these are PB times.

 

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And another top sprint effort today by Terrell Thorne in the u/18 400m. Queensland junior sprinters doing what Queensland junior and senior swimmers do - dominate a national championship.

His previous best was 46.44-seconds.

 

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Another video for GOUT OF THIS WORLD.

This time by Aussie athletics fan Jumpman.

He has some very good analysis of his starts in the 100m heat and final yesterday and says he took 41 steps in the 10.04 heat effort and 42 in the 10.17 final effort. Other world leading sprinters are talking about 43 and I remember Maurice Green and Ato Bolton used to talk about taking 45 steps.

Also analysis of Gout's 200m race and the Thwele Philp v Amaya Mearns 100m race.

 

[GC2015]

I've mentioned the under 17 girls 100m and 200m races but here is the vision to show how great a battle in both races by Thwele Philp and Amaya Mearns. Both girls are 16 and Philp ran at the U/20 World champs in the 4x100m relay in the heats and helped Oz qualify for the final. Oz were in the silver medal position but after race the 2nd baton change was reviewed as out of the box change over and Oz team were disqualified.

It says SB but these are PB times.

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Unbelievable to see the kind of young talent coming out of Queensland right now. Brisbane, Ipswich and Gold Coast products doing it on the national stage. Perfect timing with the Brisbane Olympics lining up with what will likely be the peak years of these athletes. Love to see it and so exciting for the future.

Gout Gout is getting the most attention but that's a very impressive achievement from 16 year old Gold Coaster Thewbelle Philp. Also cool to see she's an indigenous athlete and could lead to a similar Cathy Freeman situation when the 2032 Olympics roll around. How good.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Just saw a story on 7 news, and his dad said we are all mispronouncing his name

It's Gwhat Gwhat.

When his parents left South Sudan and escaped to Egypt, the Arab officials' translation misspelt the family name. They applied for refugee status in Canada with a slight preference for Canda and Oz, but the Oz paperwork came thru first.

Gout was born a few years after they arrived in Oz. If the story comes up on 7 news twitter account either Adelaide or Brisbane I will put it up.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Family surname should have been spelt Guot not Gout and pronounced Gwhat.

If Les Murray was still alive and working at SBS sport, he would immediately start using the Gwhat pronunciation. Lets see if the rest of the media respect Dad's wishes.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Izobelle Louison-Roe won silver in the high jump at the World Juniors in Lima in August with a PB of 1.89m but she might have a career in the heptathlon by the looks of things.

Record Rampage Rolls on as Thorne Torches Day Three in Brisbane

They say a rising tide lifts all ships, and Australia’s rising stars have proved exactly that at a historic 2024 Chemist Warehouse Australian All Schools Athletics Championships, with Day Three r...

www.athletics.com.au

Finishing her four-event program with three golds and one silver, Izobelle Louison-Roe (NSW) delivered the most versatile performance of the Championships when soaring to 1.80m in the high jump and hurdling to 14.01 (+0.8) for gold and silver respectively on Day Three.

Only Tasmania’s Isabella Wing could topple Louison-Roe across the weekend when flashing to a 13.81 (+0.8) performance in the Under 18 Girls’ 100m Hurdles, while Louison-Roe won gold in the Triple Jump (w13.24m), Long Jump (5.95m) and High Jump (1.80m).

 

[Sydney Kicker]

Izobelle Louison-Roe won silver in the high jump at the World Juniors in Lima in August with a PB of 1.89m but she might have a career in the heptathlon by the looks of things.

Record Rampage Rolls on as Thorne Torches Day Three in Brisbane

They say a rising tide lifts all ships, and Australia’s rising stars have proved exactly that at a historic 2024 Chemist Warehouse Australian All Schools Athletics Championships, with Day Three r...

www.athletics.com.au

Finishing her four-event program with three golds and one silver, Izobelle Louison-Roe (NSW) delivered the most versatile performance of the Championships when soaring to 1.80m in the high jump and hurdling to 14.01 (+0.8) for gold and silver respectively on Day Three.

Only Tasmania’s Isabella Wing could topple Louison-Roe across the weekend when flashing to a 13.81 (+0.8) performance in the Under 18 Girls’ 100m Hurdles, while Louison-Roe won gold in the Triple Jump (w13.24m), Long Jump (5.95m) and High Jump (1.80m).

Fantastic results.

A big step up to be at the top of the tree in senior international level for the Decathlon or Heptathlon though. I find it amazing how good some of the multi event athletes are. Ashton Eaton and Kevin Mayer have always fascinated me. They have some insane PB's in individual events. Someone like Eaton in his prime could probably compete in half a dozen individual events at a National champs in a country like Australia - and by compete I mean for a podium place (100m, 200m, 400m, 110m H, Pole Vault, Long Jump, maybe even Triple Jump and 400m H?).

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Fantastic results.

A big step up to be at the top of the tree in senior international level for the Decathlon or Heptathlon though. I find it amazing how good some of the multi event athletes are. Ashton Eaton and Kevin Mayer have always fascinated me. They have some insane PB's in individual events. Someone like Eaton in his prime could probably compete in half a dozen individual events at a National champs in a country like Australia - and by compete I mean for a podium place (100m, 200m, 400m, 110m H, Pole Vault, Long Jump, maybe even Triple Jump and 400m H?).

When I was a kid decathlete Daley Thompson was a star in world athletics. He was my favourite athlete at the time and for probably a decade after he retired.

Some of his individual event PBs would have won him Olympic medals 10-15 years earlier. The multi event athletes are amazing athletes, but specialization now, ie people only doing say only the 100m, not the double, as well as higher specialized training for each individual events means those gold medalists and medalists at multi-events would probably only win medals 40 years earlier.

Maybe Eaton could have gone from a PB in the 400m at 45.00, to 44 flat or a 43.xx if he only concentrated on the 400m.

 

[Sydney Kicker]

I've mentioned the under 17 girls 100m and 200m races but here is the vision to show how great a battle in both races by Thwele Philp and Amaya Mearns. Both girls are 16 and Philp ran at the U/20 World champs in the 4x100m relay in the heats and helped Oz qualify for the final. Oz were in the silver medal position but after race the 2nd baton change was reviewed as out of the box change over and Oz team were disqualified.

It says SB but these are PB times.

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I watched both the W u17 100m and 200m (thanks to Gout Gout else I wouldn't have tuned in). The contrast of strengths between acceleration (Philp) and speed endurance (Mearns) was really interesting. Hopefully the competition between the 2 benefits both in the long run to improve their weaknesses (all relative of course). Philp has great technique - she would be amazing in the 60m indoors.

 

[Sydney Kicker]

When I was a kid decathlete Daley Thompson was a star in world athletics. He was my favourite athlete at the time and for probably a decade after he retired.

Some of his individual event PBs would have won him Olympic medals 10-15 years earlier. The multi event athletes are amazing athletes, but specialization now, ie people only doing say only the 100m, not the double, as well as higher specialized training for each individual events means those gold medalists and medalists at multi-events would probably only win medals 40 years earlier.

Maybe Eaton could have gone from a PB in the 400m at 45.00, to 44 flat or a 43.xx if he only concentrated on the 400m.

The specialization thing is what's so amazing. He would surely lower many of his PBs if he chose to go single event and not multi event.

How about this start to a Decathlon... Outrageous.

 

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‘He would have been proud of you’: Touching message to Gout Gout from family of Peter Norman

Set in a famous race at the 1968 Olympics, Peter Norman’s Australian record for the 200 metres stood for more than five decades. Until an incredible Queensland teenager finally broke it.

www.theage.com.au

Peter Norman would have been “absolutely thrilled” to see teenage phenomenon Gout Gout break his 56-year Australian record for the 200 metres on Saturday, and the 16-year-old’s Sudanese heritage is a “special” part of the story given Norman’s involvement in a stand for racial equality at the 1968 Olympics.

That’s the view of Matt Norman, the nephew of Peter, who made the documentary Salute about his uncle’s silver medal win in the 200m in Mexico City, where Norman famously shared the dais with Tommie Smith and John Carlos as they performed a human rights salute. Norman, who died in 2006, knew of the planned salute and wore a badge on his tracksuit supporting it.

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Matt Norman said he had spoken to Gout in a phone call on Sunday morning and told him Peter would have been overjoyed to see the record fall.

“I said to him, ‘Peter always wanted his record to be broken, and for someone like you to break it, is just remarkable. Trust me when I say Peter would have been really proud of you as well,’” he said.

“Peter would be absolutely thrilled that a young kid like Gout has broken his record. We are all absolutely stunned that its finally happened after 56 years. We have been hoping for it. Peter did say before he died that it’s the one thing he wanted to see in his life – a young Australian runner beating it – so I know for sure he would be absolutely thrilled.”

Peter Norman’s daughter, Sandra, also hailed Gout’s achievement on social media.

 

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Bolt's take on Gout.

 

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Some winter sports between Olympics from the weekend action.

Olympic gold medalist Jakara Anthony keeps winning medals. This weekend gold





Last weekend silver





Scotty James keeps making podiums







Bree Walker - great twitter account name bobsledbree finished 5th which was her same placing in Bejing 2022 Olympics.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Have heard several people on SEN, from athletics and SEN employees today refer to Gout, using the spelling and pronunciation dad wants ie Guot pronounced Gwhat or Gwot

 

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Wow. Love to see the time for the second 100m, he loped away, spectacular.

I remember being at work when Bolt won the 100m in 2008, I gave a yell as he destroyed them easing up and people looked at me to see what I was watching.

That 200 just gave me the same feeling.

The Total Running Productions guy has done the analysis, along with others that he has sourced from, and in his video he says its somewhere between 9.32 and 9.40, as there wasn't the high end accurate timing equipment around the stadium that is used at the Olympics, World Champs and Diamond League.

He has gone with 9.36, which is the time Peter Norman did for his 2nd 100m in 1968 at the Olympics.

Below is a screen shot of some of the fastest 2nd 100m splits recorded. This shows the fastest split recorded by that individual, not all of their fastest splits.

A 9.40 would have been the 3rd fastest recorded at a combo of 2022 + 2023 world champs + 2024 Olympics. He has the splits for those 3 races in the video. And unlike those races, no one was alongside Gout pushing him hard.

When Salute the movie doco on Peter Norman came out in 2008, I started a thread about it and pinched the splits from a Track and Field News forum post. These are the splits for performances of 19.80 or quicker as at October 2006. I have only listed the ones where the 2nd hundred is 9.45 or less.

T.Smith - 10.52 + 9.31 = 19.83
P.Norman - 10.70 + 9.36 =20.06

19.80 races or better: [As at Oct 2006]

MJ (Atlanta OG) 19.32 = 10.12 + 9.20 ( looks like that has been reassessed to 9.18)
MJ (Atlanta OT) 19.66 = 10.30 + 9.36
MJ (Atlanta OT) 19.70w = 10.34 + 9.36
MJ (Pietersburg'00) 19.71A = 10.26 + 9.45
Mennea (Mexico'79) 19.72A = 10.1h, worth 10.34 + 9.38
Lewis (Indy'83) 19.75 = 10.32e + 9.43e
DeLoach (OG'88) 19.75 = 10.35 + 9.40
MJ (Göteborg'95) 19.79 = 10.35 + 9.44









There is an advertisement between 1.07 and 2.57 you can skip that

 

[toxic]

9Gem tonight

Short course swimming

 

[two blue tiger]

World records galore at the SC champs - USA sprint phenom Gretchen Walsh dominating....

 

[AdelaideGT]

using the spelling and pronunciation dad wants ie Guot

His manager insists that the name will continue to be pronounced Gout (as in the medical condition) and apologised for the confusion created by Dad's comments to the media.

 

[GC2015]

His manager insists that the name will continue to be pronounced Gout (as in the medical condition) and apologised for the confusion created by Dad's comments to the media.

It's easy to just think of 'Gout Gout' as his stage name and 'Guot Guot' as his birth name. Gout Gout is easier for English speakers to say and has greater marketing opportunities like we saw when the commentator famously yelled 'he's Gout of this world!' He calls himself 'Gout Gout' so that's good enough for me, regardless of what the father says.

 

[Cmarsh]

19.90 is an extraordinary time for 50m freestyle, even if it is short coarse.

Jordan Crooks Becomes First Man Under 20 Seconds In SCM With 19.90 50 Free

Crooks broke Dressel's record in prelims and went even faster in semifinals, describing tonight as "sharper."

swimswam.com

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

It's easy to just think of 'Gout Gout' as his stage name and 'Guot Guot' as his birth name. Gout Gout is easier for English speakers to say and has greater marketing opportunities like we saw when the commentator famously yelled 'he's Gout of this world!' He calls himself 'Gout Gout' so that's good enough for me, regardless of what the father says.

Usain Bolt was never referred to as the next Carl Lewis, probably because he was seen as a 200m who didn't take the 100m seriously until 2008, then ran a couple of quick 100m times in the 3 months before the Olympics.

Lewis not winning the double again after LA at either Seoul, or Rome and Tokyo world champs probably is the reason why.

Bolt will be the yardstick for sprinters to be measured against, for a very long time I think.

 

[Satan]

Poor form raygun
Australian Olympic breakdancer Rachael “Raygun” Gunn is demanding $10,000 in legal fees from the owner of a small Sydney comedy club that had planned to stage a show called Raygun the Musical.

The musical, written by comedian Stephanie Broadbridge and slated for December 7, was canned at the last minute after promoter Anthony Skinner was hit with a legal letter claiming the show infringed Gunn’s intellectual property.

The age

 

[GC2015]

Usain Bolt was never referred to as the next Carl Lewis, probably because he was seen as a 200m who didn't take the 100m seriously until 2008, then ran a couple of quick 100m times in the 3 months before the Olympics.

Lewis not winning the double again after LA at either Seoul, or Rome and Tokyo world champs probably is the reason why.

Bolt will be the yardstick for sprinters to be measured against, for a very long time I think.

Perhaps. Gout's trajectory is what appears to be getting people so excited. It's obviously going to be incredibly difficult for him to break Bolt's record/s and literally become the fastest human of all-time, but there's optimism amongst onlookers that it's not impossible an impossible task for Gout based on what we're seeing right now at 16 years of age. Add in the extra incentive of potentially doing in front of a hometown crowd at the 2032 Brisbane Olympics when he will be right in his peak at 24 years old. Usain Bolt set the all-time 100m record when he was 23 for context.

I won't profess to be an athletics historian by any stretch, but I get the feeling that Usain Bolt was like Michael Jordan in the sense that he transcended the sport of running and became a cultural icon. Some of that is just purely because Bolt was around in the social media age and older guys like Carl Lewis weren't, but Bolt was still an enigma in his own right even without the help of the internet.

Gout seems to also have an intriguing personality and swagger about him. Will it be enough to replicate Bolt's feats both on and off the track? Time will tell.