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[JustaBattler]

Some of the Collingwood commentary here smacks a little of the kid whistling his way through the cemetary at night. "I'm not scared, nothing to be scared of, no such thing as ghosts!"

They are a competent side with experienced players - now well coached playing an exciting brand of football and able to draw on serious experience and smarts in Pendlebury, Sidebottom, and Elliott. Grundy will also be back for the game but they have done well without him. Their defensive group is strong and their intercept marking is a feature of all of their defenders.

The weakness in their game is also their strength they go forward fast and furious and rely on their pressure game to cover for their turnovers - their game style reminds me very much of Richmond's - just like our game style reminds me very much of Melbourne/Port.

Their younger players are better than ours except for Walsh - Cottrell Lob aren't a match for the Daicos boys as an example.

Like Carlton - Collingwood's performances are showing everyone that last year's performance has nothing to do with this year's results - when poor coaches are replaced by better ones - surprise surprise surprise.

We will know who will the game after Adelaide/Melbourne/Brisbane games - right now I see it as a 50/50 game maybe with a light margin our way only because of Charlie and Harry. If our midfield gets back to form and both Pittonet and McGovern get continuity and form back - I see the odds going our way

my only real concern and worry is they will know how to exploit the weak underbelly of Carltons flanks - and teh old Pendelbury to Sidebottom ( out on his own and unmarked) to Elliott (out on his own and remarkable ) to goal will feature again and again and again - those three won teh game for them last time - very frustrating to watch.

 

[Gethelred]

They are a competent side with experienced players - now well coached playing an exciting brand of football and able to draw on serious experience and smarts in Pendlebury, Sidebottom, and Elliott. Grundy will also be back for the game but they have done well without him. Their defensive group is strong and their intercept marking is a feature of all of their defenders.

The weakness in their game is also their strength they go forward fast and furious and rely on their pressure game to cover for their turnovers - their game style reminds me very much of Richmond's - just like our game style reminds me very much of Melbourne/Port.

Their younger players are better than ours except for Walsh - Cottrell Lob aren't a match for the Daicos boys as an example.

Like Carlton - Collingwood's performances are showing everyone that last year's performance has nothing to do with this year's results - when poor coaches are replaced by better ones - surprise surprise surprise.

We will know who will the game after Adelaide/Melbourne/Brisbane games - right now I see it as a 50/50 game maybe with a light margin our way only because of Charlie and Harry. If our midfield gets back to form and both Pittonet and McGovern get continuity and form back - I see the odds going our way

my only real concern and worry is they will know how to exploit the weak underbelly of Carltons flanks - and teh old Pendelbury to Sidebottom ( out on his own and unmarked) to Elliott (out on his own and remarkable ) to goal will feature again and again and again - those three won teh game for them last time - very frustrating to watch.

Oh, I know how we beat them. It'll come down to whether or not Voss gets it, too. Get rid of Jamie Elliot.

Sidebottom we can cover. Pendlebury is slower than he used to be, and that's saying something; he can hurt us, but not if we deny them the ball. Elliot, though, is possessed of that same trait that Membrey has that causes him to play like an all time great whenever he sees our jumper. He consistently gets bags or, if thrown into the midfield, overachieves against us. He'll do it in round 23 if we let him. He'll do it in finals if we let him.

Tagging him's not a solution, because what he does isn't taggable. They don't look for him when he's against us; he strikes like lightning, and his every disposal will cause pain.

Take him out of the game, and they become predictable where with him in they're dynamic. Even De Goey isn't the threat Elliot is.

 

[Sector 7G]

They are a competent side with experienced players - now well coached playing an exciting brand of football and able to draw on serious experience and smarts in Pendlebury, Sidebottom, and Elliott. Grundy will also be back for the game but they have done well without him. Their defensive group is strong and their intercept marking is a feature of all of their defenders.

The weakness in their game is also their strength they go forward fast and furious and rely on their pressure game to cover for their turnovers - their game style reminds me very much of Richmond's - just like our game style reminds me very much of Melbourne/Port.

Their younger players are better than ours except for Walsh - Cottrell Lob aren't a match for the Daicos boys as an example.

Like Carlton - Collingwood's performances are showing everyone that last year's performance has nothing to do with this year's results - when poor coaches are replaced by better ones - surprise surprise surprise.

We will know who will the game after Adelaide/Melbourne/Brisbane games - right now I see it as a 50/50 game maybe with a light margin our way only because of Charlie and Harry. If our midfield gets back to form and both Pittonet and McGovern get continuity and form back - I see the odds going our way

my only real concern and worry is they will know how to exploit the weak underbelly of Carltons flanks - and teh old Pendelbury to Sidebottom ( out on his own and unmarked) to Elliott (out on his own and remarkable ) to goal will feature again and again and again - those three won teh game for them last time - very frustrating to watch.

Half of Collingwoods team is over 28 and they are the ones doing the heavy lifting.

I thinking while they have some promising youngsters, I don't see stars apart from NDaicos. Josh Daicos is from the same draft as Fisher and is providing similar output. Traded out their 1st to get a handful of 2nd rounders when they could have another top 10 pick.

They really only have 1 quality key position player. Mihocek is reasonable but is more of a 3rd tall. I think they are going to be mid table for the foreseeable future.

Edit : Cerra and TDK are better than any of their youngsters apart from ND

 

[Kruezing]

Oh, I know how we beat them. It'll come down to whether or not Voss gets it, too. Get rid of Jamie Elliot.

Sidebottom we can cover. Pendlebury is slower than he used to be, and that's saying something; he can hurt us, but not if we deny them the ball. Elliot, though, is possessed of that same trait that Membrey has that causes him to play like an all time great whenever he sees our jumper. He consistently gets bags or, if thrown into the midfield, overachieves against us. He'll do it in round 23 if we let him. He'll do it in finals if we let him.

Tagging him's not a solution, because what he does isn't taggable. They don't look for him when he's against us; he strikes like lightning, and his every disposal will cause pain.

Take him out of the game, and they become predictable where with him in they're dynamic. Even De Goey isn't the threat Elliot is.

So we need a Trevor Keogh type … lol

 

[Gethelred]

So we need a Trevor Keogh type … lol

I'm too young to get that reference.

 

[Kruezing]

I'm too young to get that reference.

Ah ok … well 79 grand final Russell Olsen who was dominating was taken out by Trevor Keogh … the game changed in our favour and the rest is history …

 

[JustaBattler]

Oh, I know how we beat them. It'll come down to whether or not Voss gets it, too. Get rid of Jamie Elliot.

Sidebottom we can cover. Pendlebury is slower than he used to be, and that's saying something; he can hurt us, but not if we deny them the ball. Elliot, though, is possessed of that same trait that Membrey has that causes him to play like an all time great whenever he sees our jumper. He consistently gets bags or, if thrown into the midfield, overachieves against us. He'll do it in round 23 if we let him. He'll do it in finals if we let him.

Tagging him's not a solution, because what he does isn't taggable. They don't look for him when he's against us; he strikes like lightning, and his every disposal will cause pain.

Take him out of the game, and they become predictable where with him in they're dynamic. Even De Goey isn't the threat Elliot is.

The point I was trying to make was that they find ways to transition to advantage through Pendelbury to Sidebottom to Elliott way too often - and that is they have an ability to predictably exploit the weakness of Carlton on the outside. Their midfield is good enough to halve contests and scrag forwards and challenge any midfield ability to win that battle.

When you say Elliott 'over achieves' all you are saying is he finds a way to beat his opponent(s) we throw up.

The way to beat Collingwood is to win the contests between the arcs - same as beating any other side. Which means play well defensively first and win enough ball to feed the forward lines enough times to kick a score.....

I think their game plan is more advanced than Carlton's because they have more experienced and higher skilled players and more skillful players in their youth - between the arcs. We have a developing system and structures reliant too much on winning contests but too often lacking the finesse to control games

Carlton is more reliant on individual efforts ( like Charlie) than Collingwood - they have a better ability to execute their system at this stage.

Pittonet and McGovern ( fingers crossed) will make a big difference if they get on and stay on teh park - when this happens it will limit their direct entry ability and Carlton may be able to cover for outside weakness.

Half of Collingwoods team is over 28 and they are the ones doing the heavy lifting.

I thinking while they have some promising youngsters, I don't see stars apart from NDaicos. Josh Daicos is from the same draft as Fisher and is providing similar output. Traded out their 1st to get a handful of 2nd rounders when they could have another top 10 pick.

They really only have 1 quality key position player. Mihocek is reasonable but is more of a 3rd tall. I think they are going to be mid table for the foreseeable future.

Edit : Cerra and TDK are better than any of their youngsters apart from ND

It doesn't matter how old their players are - they are all performing well enough to be above Carlton and 13 other teams in the competition - right now.

Your points are more like banter than analysis - personally I couldn't care less what trades or draft picks other teams have made or have or might do - I really have no interest because it makes no difference to thinking about the game coming up - none zero. All that matters is thinking about the match-ups and game plans and what can be done or can't what has to work or wont..

They are playing with continuity and confidence - we are still a few players off our best 22 and when they do get back - we still have weaknesses they can exploit - and will.

 

[BLUEALLTHRU]

The point I was trying to make was that they find ways to transition to advantage through Pendelbury to Sidebottom to Elliott way too often - and that is they have an ability to predictably exploit the weakness of Carlton on the outside. Their midfield is good enough to halve contests and scrag forwards and challenge any midfield ability to win that battle.

When you say Elliott 'over achieves' all you are saying is he finds a way to beat his opponent(s) we throw up.

The way to beat Collingwood is to win the contests between the arcs - same as beating any other side. Which means play well defensively first and win enough ball to feed the forward lines enough times to kick a score.....

I think their game plan is more advanced than Carlton's because they have more experienced and higher skilled players and more skillful players in their youth - between the arcs. We have a developing system and structures reliant too much on winning contests but too often lacking the finesse to control games

Carlton is more reliant on individual efforts ( like Charlie) than Collingwood - they have a better ability to execute their system at this stage.

Pittonet and McGovern ( fingers crossed) will make a big difference if they get on and stay on teh park - when this happens it will limit their direct entry ability and Carlton may be able to cover for outside weakness.




It doesn't matter how old their players are - they are all performing well enough to be above Carlton and 13 other teams in the competition - right now.

Your points are more like banter than analysis - personally I couldn't care less what trades or draft picks other teams have made or have or might do - I really have no interest because it makes no difference to thinking about the game coming up - none zero. All that matters is thinking about the match-ups and game plans and what can be done or can't what has to work or wont..

They are playing with continuity and confidence - we are still a few players off our best 22 and when they do get back - we still have weaknesses they can exploit - and will.

Really good post mate

 

[thylacine60]

there seemed at least 3 sidebottoms on the ground last time we played - I checked my own side bottom to confirm it hadn't in fact wandered onto the ground

 

[azlou]

The point I was trying to make was that they find ways to transition to advantage through Pendelbury to Sidebottom to Elliott way too often - and that is they have an ability to predictably exploit the weakness of Carlton on the outside. Their midfield is good enough to halve contests and scrag forwards and challenge any midfield ability to win that battle.

When you say Elliott 'over achieves' all you are saying is he finds a way to beat his opponent(s) we throw up.

The way to beat Collingwood is to win the contests between the arcs - same as beating any other side. Which means play well defensively first and win enough ball to feed the forward lines enough times to kick a score.....

I think their game plan is more advanced than Carlton's because they have more experienced and higher skilled players and more skillful players in their youth - between the arcs. We have a developing system and structures reliant too much on winning contests but too often lacking the finesse to control games

Carlton is more reliant on individual efforts ( like Charlie) than Collingwood - they have a better ability to execute their system at this stage.

Pittonet and McGovern ( fingers crossed) will make a big difference if they get on and stay on teh park - when this happens it will limit their direct entry ability and Carlton may be able to cover for outside weakness.




It doesn't matter how old their players are - they are all performing well enough to be above Carlton and 13 other teams in the competition - right now.

Your points are more like banter than analysis - personally I couldn't care less what trades or draft picks other teams have made or have or might do - I really have no interest because it makes no difference to thinking about the game coming up - none zero. All that matters is thinking about the match-ups and game plans and what can be done or can't what has to work or wont..

They are playing with continuity and confidence - we are still a few players off our best 22 and when they do get back - we still have weaknesses they can exploit - and will.

They have that defensive game pressure and zoning covering the switch from Buckley now they have added a dangerous attacking game they switch to defence really effectively because they have it hard wired
We are starting to get there with that rhythm fast play to measured ball movement our zones are working players are setting up in the right spots to pressure turnovers.
Collingwood just seem to do it a bit faster and tighter

 

[Aphrodite]

there seemed at least 5 sidebottoms on the ground last time we played - I checked my own side bottom to confirm it hadn't in fact wandered onto the ground

 

[JoeyPBLUES]

It looks like 5 different drawings of the same person

 

[Gethelred]

They have that defensive game pressure and zoning covering the switch from Buckley now they have added a dangerous attacking game they switch to defence really effectively because they have it hard wired
We are starting to get there with that rhythm fast play to measured ball movement our zones are working players are setting up in the right spots to pressure turnovers.
Collingwood just seem to do it a bit faster and tighter

They've also got a vastly simplified game now.

Bucks wanted plans A through to G. He wanted to be able to pack six different plan A's, to swap them out if one wasn't working and to be able to pivot midgame. He wanted to win games through dour defense whilst still having intercept defenders, switching methods on a dime; he wanted a midfield that could pivot between a stoppage game designed to produce repeat stoppages with an extra around the perimeter to an outside game, designed to play keepings off. He wanted his forward line to function like Richmond's with a dummy full forward dropping the ball in dangerous areas and hunting the balldrop for turnovers whilst also being threatening in their own right. This probably sounds pretty good, but it lead to Collingwood needing their entire squad to constantly be available to meet the needs of the gameplan. You cannot pivot like that without your best players on the park, and - realistically - the only side that could possibly have done that was the Lions under Matthews. You need quality on every line to accomplish this, and you're not going to get that if you can't pay a COLA or been granted draft provisions to make you successful.

What McCrae's done is take Buckley's default defensive game in back half and around the ball - with centred Moore as their key intercept defender, as opposed to both him and Howe - and told them to be fearless. Switch into corridor, and if you **** up recover on turnover. And they're old enough and good enough at the moment for it to work just long enough.

 

[Thrawn]

They are playing with continuity and confidence - we are still a few players off our best 22 and when they do get back - we still have weaknesses they can exploit - and will.

Let's not forget that they beat us by only 4 points with Weitering, Kennedy, Pitto and McKay out. Losing Weitering in the first quarter stuffed up our entire structure. Right now they're not playing as well as they were earlier on - they conceded their 6 goal lead against *, only beating them at the death. They have struggled to beat bottom four sides until the dying minutes. All these close wins do is paper over obvious cracks, which better teams can exploit. So it's not really a matter of what they can exploit more than what WE can exploit. The last few weeks will show them up as the pretenders that they are. Real top four teams don't struggle against bottom 6 sides week after week after week, they will be found out.

People keep saying it'll boost their confidence, give them a boon, etc but have continually put themselves in losing positions where that boon should not allow them to in the first place. That luck isn't going to hold against fellow finalists, how they're playing isn't sustainable.

 

[JustaBattler]

Let's not forget that they beat us by only 4 points with Weitering, Kennedy, Pitto and McKay out. Losing Weitering in the first quarter stuffed up our entire structure. Right now they're not playing as well as they were earlier on - they conceded their 6 goal lead against *, only beating them at the death. They have struggled to beat bottom four sides until the dying minutes. All these close wins do is paper over obvious cracks, which better teams can exploit. So it's not really a matter of what they can exploit more than what WE can exploit. The last few weeks will show them up as the pretenders that they are. Real top four teams don't struggle against bottom 6 sides week after week after week, they will be found out.

People keep saying it'll boost their confidence, give them a boon, etc but have continually put themselves in losing positions where that boon should not allow them to in the first place. That luck isn't going to hold against fellow finalists, how they're playing isn't sustainable.

Yep they got us like a couple of other teams have at low point isn't terms of key players out - and when promoted players couldn't deliver. As I said if we have in particular Pitonet and McGovern back with everyone else fit and firing - we go in favourites in my mind - especially if the side is able to beat Brisbane and Melbourne - two teams I am far more concerned about.

 

[Dadda Dave]

Yep they got us like a couple of other teams have at low point isn't terms of key players out - and when promoted players couldn't deliver. As I said if we have in particular Pitonet and McGovern back with everyone else fit and firing - we go in favourites in my mind - especially if the side is able to beat Brisbane and Melbourne - two teams I am far more concerned about.

I reckon we'll beat Brisbane...
No other reason than I'll be there.

 

[katmanblue]

I reckon we'll beat Brisbane...
No other reason than I'll be there.

Do it for Daaaave!

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[mrjones]

The Hills have eyes.

 

[thylacine60]

gold from freo:

"The wheel have fallen off".

 

[RPCB]

gold from freo:

"The wheel have fallen off".

Not so strange.

They have.

 

[thylacine60]

Not so strange.

They have.

look again

 

[RPCB]

look again

I did.

And the wheels are coming off.

 

[CJMB]

gold from freo:

"The wheel have fallen off".

That’s the problem with unicycles, you’re reliant on the one wheel

 

[Blue Flame]

The Hills have eyes.

The arses have sides

 

[thylacine60]

port's op:

"If you think Charlie Dixon

22

Charlie Dixon

Age

34

Ht

200cm

Wt

110kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.7

3star

K

6.9

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.6

5star

D

10.5

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

3.5

2star

M

5.0

5star

T

1.5

2star

G

2.5

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

4.4

2star

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3.8

3star

M

2.0

3star

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1.8

4star

G

0.8

4star

giving away a free kick and 50 metre penalty inside our forward line with 20 seconds left when we were only a goal down was a bad idea then that just shows your lack of intelligence and what you know about the game - and it's very very little. Take a good look at yourselves".