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[60 Yards Out]

That's not how it works these days! Those sponsors would have been subjected to vicious campaigns until they could take no more because it ends up affecting the bottom line

Capitalism always wins, that's why he's gone

Maybe, maybe not. There’s no certainty about that, and even if it did happen there would have been time to respond. Why jump at shadows in the meantime?
Mature managers hold out for evidence about what is happening, rather than reacting in haste to what theoretically could happen.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Maybe, maybe not. There’s no certainty about that, and even if it did happen there would have been time to respond. Why jump at shadows in the meantime?
Mature managers hold out for evidence about what is happening, rather than reacting in haste to what theoretically could happen.

The evidence came in pretty quickly! It was a fair dinkum stampede. The only good decision they've made in the last 15 years was to move him on very quickly. You can't run an inclusive sporting club while being chairman of an offensive cult, simple as that.

 

[60 Yards Out]

The evidence came in pretty quickly! It was a fair dinkum stampede. The only good decision they've made in the last 15 years was to move him on very quickly. You can't run an inclusive sporting club while being chairman of an offensive cult, simple as that.

Evidence of sponsors bailing? Maybe you're aware of that -- feel free to share it if so. If I've missed it I'll happily acknowledge.
Look, I'm not keen on the cult either, but I'm a pluralist. We have to be able to co-exist with people who have different views. It's a slippery slope once we start cancelling people without clear cause.
Also, Barham has got a real problem now -- he's got to find a CEO. Would you leave your comfortable, well-paid job to go and work with him in the current circumstances?

 

[Anzacday]

Also, Barham has got a real problem now -- he's got to find a CEO.

He may have a bigger problem than that.

Barrett calls for Essendon President to “stand down” after CEO disaster

“I feel he has no choice but to stand down himself.”

www.sen.com.au

Essendon president could fall over CEO mess

'None of it is favourable for Dave Barham'

wwos.nine.com.au

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Evidence of sponsors bailing? Maybe you're aware of that -- feel free to share it if so. If I've missed it I'll happily acknowledge.
Look, I'm not keen on the cult either, but I'm a pluralist. We have to be able to co-exist with people who have different views. It's a slippery slope once we start cancelling people without clear cause.
Also, Barham has got a real problem now -- he's got to find a CEO. Would you leave your comfortable, well-paid job to go and work with him in the current circumstances?

I'm a pluralist too, but we live in a society today where you can identify as a cake , there are slippery slopes everywhere with new ones popping up every day.

No I wouldn't leave any job to work at Essendon, few would.

They need a reckoning. Full admission of past misdeeds, brand shiny new diverse board and pivot in a new direction.

Until that happens they'll continue to be a lol for the rest of us.

 

[60 Yards Out]

I'm a pluralist too, but we live in a society today where you can identify as a cake , there are slippery slopes everywhere with new ones popping up every day.

No I wouldn't leave any job to work at Essendon, few would.

They need a reckoning. Full admission of past misdeeds, brand shiny new diverse board and pivot in a new direction.

Until that happens they'll continue to be a lol for the rest of us.

We can agree on that. On a side note... I've got quite a few Essendon-supporting mates, as I grew up in the area. I sent my oldest friend a txt the other night saying essentially ' Things are looking up for you.' An hour later the Thorburn departure came out. I didn't have the heart to send him a retraction: 'Correction: You're still rooted.'

 

[sideswipe]

He doesn’t have to personally hold those views.
But as CEO of the church he has to accept them our publicly dismiss them.
As his silence has been golden on the issue one has to decide that he accepts them.
And that’s contrary to everything the AFL has been up front about for over a decade. So he has no place in the AFL.
We must also acknowledge that his faith believes in life after death. Is this why the NAB under his stewardship charged dead people bank fees?
The royal commission cited him. That should be enough to exclude him from any CEO job anywhere.

Do you know what these "views" are and how they differ from the views of mainstream religions across the globe? It is a slippery slope...

Whether he should have been hired given the NAB experience is a separate issue.

 

[Apples]

Why don't you do that for yourself? And why should he have to do that? Whilst you are at it, make sure to check on the Anglican view of such matters - given Thorburn's group is attached to them.

That sermon sounded appalling but I am not sure Thorburn's church holds a fundamentally different stance on abortion to that generally held across mainstream religion?

So we better buy more pitchforks.

I think you're missing the point. He's not just a member of an organisation who strongly disagrees with written policies of that organisation, he's the director of that organisation. Many Catholics I know pay scant regard to the teachings of the church on social issues like abortion and gay marriage, but it is assumed that the Popes and Archbishops believe the teachings and guiding principles.

Thorburn made no attempt to distance himself from these rancid policies, except to say that he didn't necessarily agree with all of them. Anyway, as I said earlier, his history as CEO at NAB should have disqualified him for the Essendon job.

 

[MyManLynch]

I think you're missing the point. He's not just a member of an organisation who strongly disagrees with written policies of that organisation, he's the director of that organisation. Many Catholics I know pay scant regard to the teachings of the church on social issues like abortion and gay marriage, but it is assumed that the Popes and Archbishops believe the teachings and guiding principles.

Thorburn made no attempt to distance himself from these rancid policies, except to say that he didn't necessarily agree with all of them. Anyway, as I said earlier, his history as CEO at NAB should have disqualified him for the Essendon job.

It’s an Essendon Cluster #uck of the highest order.
Coupled with the fact that the board coup was triggered by Sheedy siding with the Barham…to get rid of the coach (In an undignified manner). Then Sheedy goes to bat for his mate Hird…fails to get him across the line.
Sheedy strategy totally failed.
The new President looks like a nong.
Brad Scott must be thinking WTF…please send me back to North Melbourne.

 

[Doc1763]

It’s an Essendon Cluster #uck of the highest order.
Coupled with the fact that the board coup was triggered by Sheedy siding with the Barham…to get rid of the coach (In an undignified manner). Then Sheedy goes to bat for his mate Hird…fails to get him across the line.
Sheedy strategy totally failed.
The new President looks like a nong.
Brad Scott must be thinking WTF…please send me back to North Melbourne.

Long may it continue.

 

[sideswipe]

I think you're missing the point. He's not just a member of an organisation who strongly disagrees with written policies of that organisation, he's the director of that organisation. Many Catholics I know pay scant regard to the teachings of the church on social issues like abortion and gay marriage, but it is assumed that the Popes and Archbishops believe the teachings and guiding principles.

Thorburn made no attempt to distance himself from these rancid policies, except to say that he didn't necessarily agree with all of them. Anyway, as I said earlier, his history as CEO at NAB should have disqualified him for the Essendon job.

I don't have a dog in the fight, don't particularly care for Thorburn. But he has been pretty vocal about diversity whilst at NAB. They were the sponsor that launched the Pride Game and he was the lead spokesman.

It is the over-reach and panicked decision-making that I reckon stinks. If Barham had his time over, my bet is he wouldn't have gone down the path of an ultimatum.

Certainly, media commentary since indicates it was a bad choice.

 

[Apples]

I didn't think it could get any more embarrassing, but it just did.

From The Australian
It was barely 24 hours ago that we were wondering how Andrew Thorburn’s appointment as Essendon CEO made it past Dorothy Hisgrove, a club director and over-qualified hall monitor in realms of diversity and inclusion.

Hisgrove, a national managing partner at KPMG, received a special mention from club president David Barham during her appointment to Essendon’s CEO selection panel, with Barham hailing her business leadership and expertise in people and culture.

We’ve already noted how fruitless these skills turned out to be in preventing the furore engulfing the club, and we may have discovered the reason why.

Margin Call has established that Hisgrove was actually out of the country for a significant portion of September when the panel deliberations were taking place on the matter of a replacement CEO.


We know this because Hisgrove’s Facebook profile is adorned with snapshots of slender palms, glasses of vino and a shimmering Iberian Peninsula, all of which were uploaded while the mess of the club’s implosion was trying to be contained out of Melbourne.

Hisgrove appears to have left Australia within days of the Essendon CEO position becoming vacant on August 23, when former boss Xavier Campbell tendered his resignation amid a whirlwind of sackings and departures.

And yes, we can accept that holidays are necessary, booked well in advance, and often timed around the orbiting schedules of other people. What’s curious is that a celebrated and supposedly committed board member saw fit to decamp for sunnier climes in the midst of a disaster that can now be measured with a Geiger counter.

Especially, we might add, when that board member had been thrust forth by the club’s president as an impeccable leadership savant whose input was to be so necessary for the selection of Essendon’s successor CEO.

As Barham told his membership, Hisgrove was put on the panel to provide “the latest testing protocols to ensure the panel has a clear picture of the personality and leadership capabilities of each candidate”. We can conclude this was hardly a raging success, given the fallout from Thorburn’s appointment.

We are not without sympathy here. The task of vetting candidates is not easy, and it is hardly made easier when one is navigating the cobblestone alleyways of the Portuguese capital, or slaking the heat of the Spanish south with large, fragrant glasses of Rioja. While we’re querying levels of commitment, it’s worth noting as well that Hisgrove is hardly a lifetime Essendon supporter.

From what we can gather she’s actually a Collingwood fan from years back, or so we’re led to believe from the incriminating photographs that we’ve discovered online (fair warning to ye all).

Hisgrove may have joined the Essendon board last August but until she took a seat at the table she publicly and proudly identified as a Pies fan, flaunting a black and white scarf on one occasion and even changing her Facebook profile to include the Collingwood logo during their 2018 grand final campaign.

We need not point out that it’s not a capital offence to switch allegiances in the AFL but, on the other hand, it is a very novel way to increase boardroom diversity. Not sure how that will wash with the club faithful, however. Hisgrove did not respond to questions.

 

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I didn't think it could get any more embarrassing, but it just did.

From The Australian
It was barely 24 hours ago that we were wondering how Andrew Thorburn’s appointment as Essendon CEO made it past Dorothy Hisgrove, a club director and over-qualified hall monitor in realms of diversity and inclusion.

Hisgrove, a national managing partner at KPMG, received a special mention from club president David Barham during her appointment to Essendon’s CEO selection panel, with Barham hailing her business leadership and expertise in people and culture.

We’ve already noted how fruitless these skills turned out to be in preventing the furore engulfing the club, and we may have discovered the reason why.

Margin Call has established that Hisgrove was actually out of the country for a significant portion of September when the panel deliberations were taking place on the matter of a replacement CEO.


We know this because Hisgrove’s Facebook profile is adorned with snapshots of slender palms, glasses of vino and a shimmering Iberian Peninsula, all of which were uploaded while the mess of the club’s implosion was trying to be contained out of Melbourne.

Hisgrove appears to have left Australia within days of the Essendon CEO position becoming vacant on August 23, when former boss Xavier Campbell tendered his resignation amid a whirlwind of sackings and departures.

And yes, we can accept that holidays are necessary, booked well in advance, and often timed around the orbiting schedules of other people. What’s curious is that a celebrated and supposedly committed board member saw fit to decamp for sunnier climes in the midst of a disaster that can now be measured with a Geiger counter.

Especially, we might add, when that board member had been thrust forth by the club’s president as an impeccable leadership savant whose input was to be so necessary for the selection of Essendon’s successor CEO.

As Barham told his membership, Hisgrove was put on the panel to provide “the latest testing protocols to ensure the panel has a clear picture of the personality and leadership capabilities of each candidate”. We can conclude this was hardly a raging success, given the fallout from Thorburn’s appointment.

We are not without sympathy here. The task of vetting candidates is not easy, and it is hardly made easier when one is navigating the cobblestone alleyways of the Portuguese capital, or slaking the heat of the Spanish south with large, fragrant glasses of Rioja. While we’re querying levels of commitment, it’s worth noting as well that Hisgrove is hardly a lifetime Essendon supporter.

From what we can gather she’s actually a Collingwood fan from years back, or so we’re led to believe from the incriminating photographs that we’ve discovered online (fair warning to ye all).

Hisgrove may have joined the Essendon board last August but until she took a seat at the table she publicly and proudly identified as a Pies fan, flaunting a black and white scarf on one occasion and even changing her Facebook profile to include the Collingwood logo during their 2018 grand final campaign.

We need not point out that it’s not a capital offence to switch allegiances in the AFL but, on the other hand, it is a very novel way to increase boardroom diversity. Not sure how that will wash with the club faithful, however. Hisgrove did not respond to questions.

Brilliant— I love it when our infiltrators bring down the rival clubs. Mick at Carlton, Dorothy at the Bombers… now who’s going to ruin Geelong for us?

 

[Doc1763]

Brilliant— I love it when our infiltrators bring down the rival clubs. Mick at Carlton, Dorothy at the Bombers… now who’s going to ruin Geelong for us?

Ollie!!!

 

[Maggie5]

I didn't know that Travis Cloke is working at Essendon. VFLW coach.

The 35-year-old will also join the Bombers’ AFL men’s program as a specialist coach.

Cloke to coach VFLW Bombers in 2023

Essendon appoint Travis Cloke as senior head coach of the VFLW program.

www.essendonfc.com.au

 

[Vicky Park]

I didn't know that Travis Cloke is working at Essendon. VFLW coach.

The 35-year-old will also join the Bombers’ AFL men’s program as a specialist coach.

Cloke to coach VFLW Bombers in 2023

Essendon appoint Travis Cloke as senior head coach of the VFLW program.

www.essendonfc.com.au

Good on him. Hope it goes well for Clokey.

 

[MyManLynch]

Good on him. Hope it goes well for Clokey.

He should be fine…the Hangar doesn’t have Windows & no mirrors or smoke in their bathrooms.

 

[Robroy22]

He should be fine…the Hangar doesn’t have Windows & no mirrors or smoke in their bathrooms.

And he gets his own carpark.

 

[LuckyLee]

I didn't know that Travis Cloke is working at Essendon. VFLW coach.

The 35-year-old will also join the Bombers’ AFL men’s program as a specialist coach.

Cloke to coach VFLW Bombers in 2023

Essendon appoint Travis Cloke as senior head coach of the VFLW program.

www.essendonfc.com.au

So Trav is still only 35……young enough to play for the Cats!


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[Jen2310]

Like wtf? Not sure where to put this.

 

[Jim Levenstein]

Like wtf? Not sure where to put this.

Ridiculous club. They should be the Tassie licence. Just hand in the keys

 

[What is a cakewalk]

Has there ever been a sacking at a weirder time? We're 6 weeks away from "everyone's flying and in career best condition"

 

[legendstatus]

So Ratten leaving Saints ??

 

[Babylove]

So Ratten leaving Saints ??

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Yep after re-signing him to a new two year deal earlier in the season they are now going to sack him, meaning they now have to pay him for two years to not coach their club.

 

[stormskye]

Ratts sacking has to be player driven. Must have been untenable reviews for them to do it now