Oppo Camp Other Games Rolling Thread (2023)

[Kirby]

It's always the same. IF we make it to the grand final, we will, once again, be facing a side with more class and more genuine matchwinners. It seems to be a perennial fact of life. All through the 70's and 80 and 81 we were the hardworking team of goers up against classy, powerhouses like Carlton, Richmond and the star-studded North Melbourne teams of the mid to late 70s. 2010 is the only time I thought we were the clearly better team. That's once in about ten grand finals going back to 1964 when we were rank outsiders yet nearly got there.

Stop being such a victim cry baby.

I thought you were the best supporter ever yet you’re always in a constant state of lament. Snap out of it.

 

[YouBeauty]

Brisbane play a lot like that eagles team we came up against. Lots of kick mark and look suspect when it's on the deck.

 

[domus]

Stop being such a victim cry baby.

I thought you were the best supporter ever yet you’re always in a constant state of lament. Snap out of it.

I will always post how I feel and what I am thinking and you are welcome to do the same. Perhaps we have different temperaments. I won't tell you what you should be feeling so please do me the same courtesy. You can say you are confident of GF win or not overly fussed if we lose and I will not be calling you out for it.

When you've been bitten 14 times before, it is human nature to brace for another bite when you pass by the same dog again.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

I will always post how I feel and what I am thinking and you are welcome to do the same. Perhaps we have different temperaments. I won't tell you what you should be feeling so please do me the same courtesy. You can say you are confident of GF win or not overly fussed if we lose and I will not be calling you out for it.

When you've been bitten 14 times before, it is human nature to brace for another bite when you pass by the same dog again.

You’re selling this list shockingly short imo

Daicos X 2
De Goey
Moore
Hill
Ginnivan
Mitchell
Quaynor
Sidebottom (I guess)
Elliott

That’s already a decent number of class/match winning/both players

Not sure Brisbane really has a TONNE more than that if at all

 

[upnsmoke]

The difference between Melbourne and Brisbane.

Magpies could withstand Melbourne attacks because their forward structure is lacking and just relied on a rare leak in their defense to beat them... ala Bobby Hill kicking 3 goals early purely because he was being guarded by slower opponents. Basically have sneaky quick forwards to slip out and be targets against Melbourne works.

Brisbane on the other hand.... not as strong as Melbourne defensively, but no slouch. Pies can get their forwards easier entry passes than Melbourne.... IF... and a big IF, if Magpies midfielders can win the ball out of the middle or rebound outside of the Brisbane forward 50.
The problem with that is... Brisbane is much more efficient and talented in forward 50 deliveries and scoring inside. 2 games this season so far has proven Magpies playing from behind and failing to stop Brisbane.
Look back last year and 2021, Pies have not beaten Brisbane either. Brisbane's attack absolutely is unresolved by the Magpies.

This is a problem... disregard MCG impact considering Brisbane has proven they can beat Pies at the MCG either way.

The Pies will need to play an extra man defensively against Brisbane to have a chance... but that throws a gear on the Pies system structure... but this is the only way I see neutralising their quick, talented and potent goal kickers.


Now that is if Pies can get pass GWS.... who have proven can beat Pies anywhere as well because they have good 1 on 1 defenders and a gritty forward line. Port Adelaide is young and have this year as a learning lesson, but I think their timeframe for a GF is next year and the year after that.

 

[manicpie]

You’re selling this list shockingly short imo

Daicos X 2
De Goey
Moore
Hill
Ginnivan
Mitchell
Quaynor
Sidebottom (I guess)
Elliott

That’s already a decent number of class/match winning/both players

Not sure Brisbane really has a TONNE more than that if at all

It's scary when a first year player is best on ground though. We have an amazing list but Brissy has more quality than us, it's going to take everything we have to beat them, if we make the GF

 

[ThePhantom777]

As seen in the Dees game, we learned from our previous game against them and made adjustments. It'll be the same against our other finals opponents.

 

[Piesinmyeyes]

Really hoping for a grinding Port win this week, GWS has a far better defensive structure which is an issue for us.
As for the other side, Brisbane clearly favoured to advance. Hoping Melbourne reach this match and apply physicality especially inside.

 

[Vicky Park]

You make some good points. I might add when we played them at the GABBA we had no Cox or Cameron and everything that could go wrong did. We missed a number of goals we'd normally kick and I don't think the scoreboard was a true reflection of the game. And we were definitely missing a lot of quality at Marvel with nothing to play for while they needed to secure a top two finish and home final. They could not miss a snap or set shot either.

My confidence is slowly returning!

Your recent posting keeps making reference to our terrible grand final history, including our poor record against effectively better sides. I agree it’s happened time and again, and this history weighs heavily on me too.

But we have been the best team over the course of this year, and if we make the GF it will be entirely deserving. We ‘controlled’ our performance against Melbourne on Thursday night, to ensure the win (despite what some in the media say). That’s what we do.

Brisbane right now are our likely opponents should we get to the GF, and their forwards will give us headaches (more like a migraine if we are without Maynard). But surely we match up well against them elsewhere. I also have faith in our clever coach and coaching team to get this right.

As others have said, our terrible history will not dictate what happens this month. It means nothing to our current crop of players.

 

[The Magnificent Seven]

Remember Lions being pantsed by Hawks a few weeks back at the MCG? They’re not invincible.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

This is a problem... disregard MCG impact considering Brisbane has proven they can beat Pies at the MCG either way.

This proof occurred 20 years ago, when our current coach played for the opposition? Or at some other time.

 

[YouBeauty]

I will always post how I feel and what I am thinking and you are welcome to do the same. Perhaps we have different temperaments. I won't tell you what you should be feeling so please do me the same courtesy. You can say you are confident of GF win or not overly fussed if we lose and I will not be calling you out for it.

When you've been bitten 14 times before, it is human nature to brace for another bite when you pass by the same dog again.

The past doesn't dictate the future. Those games have no impact on what may be coming. I can guarantee you if we do make it we aren't just lucky to be there like in 02.

 

[domus]

Your recent posting keeps making reference to our terrible grand final history, including our poor record against effectively better sides. I agree it’s happened time and again, and this history weighs heavily on me too.

But we have been the best team over the course of this year, and if we make the GF it will be entirely deserving. We ‘controlled’ our performance against Melbourne on Thursday night, to ensure the win (despite what some in the media say). That’s what we do.

Brisbane right now are our likely opponents should we get to the GF, and their forwards will give us headaches (more like a migraine if we are without Maynard). But surely we match up well against them elsewhere. I also have faith in our clever coach and coaching team to get this right.

As others have said, our terrible history will not dictate what happens this month. It means nothing to our current crop of players.

True but like 2011 when we were the best side but lost to Geelong both times and them had to play them in the GF and lost again.

We have finished on top but we were beaten by Lions twice.

I reference our history in order to explain my fear/trepidation. I think my point about us so often being a gutsy, hard-working team up against classier teams is 100 % accurate and relevant.

Compare Checkers and McStay to Daniher and Hipwood and you'll see what I mean.

That does not mean I don't think we can win. I'm just stating reality. We will have to be "on". We were undermanned both times we played them so our chances improve just based on our ins but they will be a handful.

 

[YouBeauty]

The difference between Melbourne and Brisbane.

Magpies could withstand Melbourne attacks because their forward structure is lacking and just relied on a rare leak in their defense to beat them... ala Bobby Hill kicking 3 goals early purely because he was being guarded by slower opponents. Basically have sneaky quick forwards to slip out and be targets against Melbourne works.

Brisbane on the other hand.... not as strong as Melbourne defensively, but no slouch. Pies can get their forwards easier entry passes than Melbourne.... IF... and a big IF, if Magpies midfielders can win the ball out of the middle or rebound outside of the Brisbane forward 50.
The problem with that is... Brisbane is much more efficient and talented in forward 50 deliveries and scoring inside. 2 games this season so far has proven Magpies playing from behind and failing to stop Brisbane.
Look back last year and 2021, Pies have not beaten Brisbane either. Brisbane's attack absolutely is unresolved by the Magpies.

This is a problem... disregard MCG impact considering Brisbane has proven they can beat Pies at the MCG either way.

The Pies will need to play an extra man defensively against Brisbane to have a chance... but that throws a gear on the Pies system structure... but this is the only way I see neutralising their quick, talented and potent goal kickers.


Now that is if Pies can get pass GWS.... who have proven can beat Pies anywhere as well because they have good 1 on 1 defenders and a gritty forward line. Port Adelaide is young and have this year as a learning lesson, but I think their timeframe for a GF is next year and the year after that.

I read your entire post in a child's voice, it made more sense this way.

 

[domus]

The past doesn't dictate the future. Those games have no impact on what may be coming. I can guarantee you if we do make it we aren't just lucky to be there like in 02.

I have held onto that notion for decades and 2018 was my breaking point. It was an absolute template of previous grand final losses decades earlier. Get out to a four or five goal break early and get run down as the game progresses.

This happened in 70, 77, 79, 81 and 18.

 

[mwhop]

Brisbane are ahead of us. But they don't win on system, so we can beat them if things go right. We can't win by defending entries as with Melbourne. Our forwards are effecient enough if we get it to them. The situation is cIear, it all comes down to our mids. JDG and titch have to be the ones that get it done.

The one thing that should give us hope is this - the coaches appear to have seen the light and let Mason lead the ruck. It gives a chance.

 

[No SPIN]

It’s rubbing salt into our HINE recruiting wounds

Hine and 16 other recruiters.

 

[Vicky Park]

I reference our history in order to explain my fear/trepidation. I think my point about us so often being a gutsy, hard-working team up against classier teams is 100 % accurate and relevant.

Compare Checkers and McStay to Daniher and Hipwood and you'll see what I mean.

Completely agree with your point about us historically playing in GFs with ‘gutsy hard-working teams’. But we are better than that this year.

Also agree that Checkers and McStay don’t compare with Daniher and Hipwood.

But elsewhere we can better them. We have three All Australians this year, to their one. We have the better defence. We have Nick Daicos.

We are not a blue collar team playing above our level as we have so often in the past. That’s the point I’m making.

The 2011 Geelong example is concerning, but the comparison with Brisbane falls down when you add the MCG into the equation, and the outs we had last time we met.

 

[No SPIN]

They managed to beat us twice in front of mostly Collingwood fans twenty years ago.

And????
What relevance does it have today?

 

[No SPIN]

Relevance? Brisbane are a good team, they're a great team at the GABBA. At the 'G they're back to a good team, they're scoring is quite a bit lower there and they haven't won many.

They have their weaknesses, not as strong defensively as Melbourne, or us. Both games we've lost this year we've scored well with 28 and 25 scoring shots. We were close enough at Marvel in a dead rubber to have confidence in an MCG matchup with meaning.

Melbourne and Brisbane are our strongest challengers, but I don't think either would be strongly favoured against us.

And we had plenty of outs in each of those games.

 

[YouBeauty]

I have held onto that notion for decades and 2018 was my breaking point. It was an absolute template of previous grand final losses decades earlier. Get out to a four or five goal break early and get run down as the game progresses.

This happened in 70, 77, 79, 81 and 18.

I feel the pain man but we must be positive. My Dad tells me about all of those + 66. I have seen 02 03 11 and 18. I'd say on average I think about 18 nearly every few days and the others at least once a week. Winning will help to erase these memories.

We beat a Melbourne team that was seen to have a more talented midfield and we didn't have ND. We are better than you think. For me the difference between us now and all those sides you mentioned is we are way more mentally tougher thanks to the emphasis our coach puts on the psychological part of the game. Collingwood teams that have lost grand finals have been mentally fragile teams.

 

[sam_e]

The difference between Melbourne and Brisbane.

Magpies could withstand Melbourne attacks because their forward structure is lacking and just relied on a rare leak in their defense to beat them... ala Bobby Hill kicking 3 goals early purely because he was being guarded by slower opponents. Basically have sneaky quick forwards to slip out and be targets against Melbourne works.

Brisbane on the other hand.... not as strong as Melbourne defensively, but no slouch. Pies can get their forwards easier entry passes than Melbourne.... IF... and a big IF, if Magpies midfielders can win the ball out of the middle or rebound outside of the Brisbane forward 50.
The problem with that is... Brisbane is much more efficient and talented in forward 50 deliveries and scoring inside. 2 games this season so far has proven Magpies playing from behind and failing to stop Brisbane.
Look back last year and 2021, Pies have not beaten Brisbane either. Brisbane's attack absolutely is unresolved by the Magpies.

This is a problem... disregard MCG impact considering Brisbane has proven they can beat Pies at the MCG either way.

The Pies will need to play an extra man defensively against Brisbane to have a chance... but that throws a gear on the Pies system structure... but this is the only way I see neutralising their quick, talented and potent goal kickers.


Now that is if Pies can get pass GWS.... who have proven can beat Pies anywhere as well because they have good 1 on 1 defenders and a gritty forward line. Port Adelaide is young and have this year as a learning lesson, but I think their timeframe for a GF is next year and the year after that.

Excellent post

 

[WalterBlaknWhte]

And????
What relevance does it have today?

Exactly

Would be an advancement if our school system better taught statistics and probability


Don't think our team will give a Flying F*ck about 1970 or 2011

Onward

 

[No SPIN]

My response was written to a poster who said they will be facing us in front of a mostly Collingwood crowd. So, it was very relevant.

You are suggesting a vulnerability that existed 20 years ago so it’s completely irrelevant.
Are you seriously suggesting that BNE should be taking comfort and confidence from what happened 20 years ago?

The more relevant stat the poster was pointing out, is how poorly this CURRENT group performs on the MCG, compared to the GABBA.

 

[Didak Wine]

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I feel the pain man but we must be positive. My Dad tells me about all of those + 66. I have seen 02 03 11 and 18. I'd say on average I think about 18 nearly every few days and the others at least once a week. Winning will help to erase these memories.

We beat a Melbourne team that was seen to have a more talented midfield and we didn't have ND. We are better than you think. For me the difference between us now and all those sides you mentioned is we are way more mentally tougher thanks to the emphasis our coach puts on the psychological part of the game. Collingwood teams that have lost grand finals have been mentally fragile teams.

02 Maggies were not fragile mentally. What evidence is there of that. Losing the gf. Getting into a whole other thing if losing makes you fragile mentally. That team was tough, went to Port Adelaide without buckley and won the qf. Pushed ions who were a super super side the while way.

2018 Maggie's were not fragile mentally. I was nothing but proud of that side who smashed richmond in the preliminary. A free kick to Maynard in the gf and it would have sewed it up.