Oppo Camp Other Games Rolling Thread (2023)

[Black_White]

i still think that practicising the game plan mostly reduces anxiety so players feel that they are on the same page. In the first 15 minutes, the demons went fast down the middle and were killing carlton. Simple plan, all teams use it to score fast. The backs pushing up and keeping it near the boundary is done by everyone as a defensive strategy. But the key point is that these general strategies reduce anxiety. They work but everyone needs to play their part and concentrate and keep their heads. These strategies aren't a magic cure.

The problem occurs when the team knows that they need to keep the ball in close like Viney......but he panics. Not because of lack of practice but lack of discipline...lack of control of adrenaline....lack of trust in the coach's tactics... stuff in the head. They could practice all week on these "Strategies" but melbourne players would still deal with anxiety by just blasting the ball...

And Cozhee is a prime example. So emotional and out of control. He doesn't need more practice in strategy.....he needs a shrink

I’m always stunned by the thought that a player must play on and not get caught holding the ball. Sometimes htb is an option. Better than letting the ball out to one or two oppo players who then have a quick play on opportunity.
Getting caught htb, if done correctly, can hold the game up for 10 seconds, or more, giving your team a chance to reset and cover the fast play on.
HTB isn’t the crime it sometimes made out to be.

 

[Black_White]

My local fish shop has a Carlton video on repeat in the window. You’d think they won the flag the way they’re carrying on

Molotov cocktail.
Plenty of recipes on the net.
Get it done.

 

[Black_White]

Rubbish.
He’ll be suspended the same as any player would.

Well now it’s only H&A games up for suspension, yes he will.

 

[Markfs]

I’m always stunned by the thought that a player must play on and not get caught holding the ball. Sometimes htb is an option. Better than letting the ball out to one or two oppo players who then have a quick play on opportunity.
Getting caught htb, if done correctly, can hold the game up for 10 seconds, or more, giving your team a chance to reset and cover the fast play on.
HTB isn’t the crime it sometimes made out to be.

well i think players try for the better options...however viney kicked the ball unbalanced by his wrong foot. He panicked.

by your thinking, it might have been better if he aimed for the boundary rather than trying to kick it downfield. At least then, more time would be wasted.

At any rate, if I was a melb fan and I had the choice between giving the players cool heads or a few hours practice on 2 minute scenarios, I would have chosen the former.

 

[Black_White]

well i think players try for the better options...however viney kicked the ball unbalanced by his wrong foot. He panicked.

by your thinking, it might have been better if he aimed for the boundary rather than trying to kick it downfield. At least then, more time would be wasted.

At any rate, if I was a melb fan and I had the choice between giving the players cool heads or a few hours practice on 2 minute scenarios, I would have chosen the former.

All they need was a Grundy on the goal line, not a Maxy, and they would have won.
Even with Vineys panicking.

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

All they need was a Grundy on the goal line, not a Maxy, and they would have won.
Even with Vineys panicking.

Lol, that's what I've been saying too. No way Grundy would have got up off the ground that high to touch the ball..

 

[76woodenspooners]

What if he took his 30 seconds and missed?

Easier to make that decision when you're in front but Carlton were behind and despite the close range the pressure would still have been immense if he had of taken a set shot.

I can understand why in that moment instinct and adrenaline took over and he took the opportunity to goal immediately.

Maybe.

But Collingwood would have taken 30 seconds off the clock and absolutely nailed that goal.

Why?

(1) Because we manage the moments (because Fly)
(2) Because we have practiced it more than other teams (because Fly)
(3) Because we are winners (because Fly)

This is not the Collingwood under Mick Malthouse or Nathan Buckley that would have had us fans with our hearts in our mouths with A.Rocca / T.Cloke taking a set shot 15 meters out directly in front..

We are not that team anymore. Fly has changed the fabric of our identity. It’s taken some of us fans time to realize that because we have been scarred over decades and Fly hasn’t even been with us 2 seasons yet …

Melbourne lost to us by 7 points. They wound themselves up tight as a clock spring wondering “ARGH!!! What if Maynard hadn’t turned himself into a human sidewinder missile and murdered Bambi?!?!?!!!!” What they don’t realize (but you and I know very well) is that 7 points at the hands of Collingwood these days is a moderate flogging.

 

[60 Yards Out]

I'll personally be very relieved if & when they are out of the finals.
Can't wait to see the back of them.
My PTSD regarding Carlton is very close to the surface.. I'm sure there are some on here feeling the same..

I’m one. 1970 live at the G, and all that came with it.
Not sure I could watch a Collingwood vs C______ grand final in real time. The prospect of C______ W______ the F___ against anyone is revolting, but the revulsion goes exponential if forced to contemplate that happening against us.
In 2018, after that prick fluked his goal from the mark that should have been taken off him, I switched off the tv immediately to avoid the siren. I checked the score a few minutes later. On confirming the result I entered a self-imposed media ban. It helped — I’m less sensitive to reminders of that GF than I would have been otherwise.
Hence if we get to the GF and C______ is our opponent I am likely to spurn the real time watch and just check the score at the end. If/when we win it, IT’s REPLAY TIME !!!!

 

[jmac70]

Vale Ronald Dale Barassi

 

[No SPIN]

I suspect Carlton lurkers are taking great joy, at the jelly legged, weak stomachs of many here, fearing Carlton in a GF.

 

[TradeDraft]

Lions should flog the Blues next weekend

 

[danielnajdek]

I suspect Carlton lurkers are taking great joy, at the jelly legged, weak stomachs of many here, fearing Carlton in a GF.

Considering Carlton wont beat Brisbane.

 

[Kes1984]

I suspect Carlton lurkers are taking great joy, at the jelly legged, weak stomachs of many here, fearing Carlton in a GF.

Oh well. They don’t have much joy in their lives with their choice of football club.

 

[Black_White]

Lions should flog the Blues next weekend

Two days ago Melbourne should have flogged Carlton.
A week is a long time in football.

 

[Chameleon75]

We can beat both these teams so I’m not fussed on the result, i just want them to belt each other

 

[Jasper84]

I want Carlton to lose. All the time. Even if Carlton winning is beneficial to the Pies, I still want them to lose. F#ck Carlton.

 

[swoop42]

I feel Port winning in a tough and tight contest is the best result for us as they appear the more banged up of the two and will be relying on the home ground advantage to do a lot of the heavy lifting tonight.

GWS under a first year coach have gotten better as the year has unfolded as you'd expect, they want to play a fast attacking brand of football and when you look at the names in the side aren't short on talent.

If they roll Port then they're clearly in the type of form that will test us.

 

[stormskye]

I think we match up better against port than gws. So I’ll be barracking for port, in a bruising affair

 

[Jen2310]

Go the pear.

 

[swoop42]

I suspect Carlton lurkers are taking great joy, at the jelly legged, weak stomachs of many here, fearing Carlton in a GF.

Look at the balls on you.

The way I see it if we make it to the GF defeating Brisbane will be hard enough and it might only be the MCG that gives us the winning edge.

If Carlton are good enough to roll Brisbane at the GABBA then they're more than capable of beating us in Melbourne at the MCG.

Win our way to the GF then Lions winning in a brutal contest is the result I'm after.

 

[sr36]

i still think that practicising the game plan mostly reduces anxiety so players feel that they are on the same page. In the first 15 minutes, the demons went fast down the middle and were killing carlton. Simple plan, all teams use it to score fast. The backs pushing up and keeping it near the boundary is done by everyone as a defensive strategy. But the key point is that these general strategies reduce anxiety. They work but everyone needs to play their part and concentrate and keep their heads. These strategies aren't a magic cure.

The problem occurs when the team knows that they need to keep the ball in close like Viney......but he panics. Not because of lack of practice but lack of discipline...lack of control of adrenaline....lack of trust in the coach's tactics... stuff in the head. They could practice all week on these "Strategies" but melbourne players would still deal with anxiety by just blasting the ball...

And Cozhee is a prime example. So emotional and out of control. He doesn't need more practice in strategy.....he needs a shrink

When you cut it to basics, a game plan is the patterns you want them to run, where you want them to position and the decisions you want them to make with the ball.

At the end of a close game, what you want them to do varies depending on the scoreboard.

Under Bucks we stuck to the same patterns regardless of the scoreboard - watch that GWS final we lost and us just repeating the same stoppage tactics over and over again.

Under Fly we clearly vary it depending on the scoreboard and if you don't practice the variations, you're not going to vary it as well.

Carlton look like they're practicing the variations and they are talking about doing so, so I don't get why you're doubting it. Melbourne don't look like they are.

 

[Matt_352]

Go Port in as bruising affair as possible. OT would be very nice here.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I want Carlton to lose. All the time. Even if Carlton winning is beneficial to the Pies, I still want them to lose. F#ck Carlton.

 

[thebaldfacts]

Going for the Port Magpies in this one

 

[Scritchyscroony]

I'm just hesitant to assume Blues are easy beats simply because they've won a couple of close matches. We all know what the power of momentum can do and they now have their full legion of bandwagon supporters all on board to give them even more of a lift.

I'll personally be very relieved if & when they are out of the finals.

Can't wait to see the back of them.

My PTSD regarding Carlton is very close to the surface.. I'm sure there are some on here feeling the same..

Think of it this way... Us beating Carlton in The Grand Final will be the best therapy you've ever had in your life. It will be so cathartic to you and so many of us. Yous will all lose 15kg's overnight and get that chipper spritely prance back in your steps you used to have before 1970.
or:
If we lose then it's just business as usual.

It's worth a shot isn't it?