Our Game Plan Going Into 2024

[NthBondiDoggies]

JUH has been required to increase his leading activity - he will build his tank more and not be so tired when he kicks.

Both teams yesterday have weak tall forward set ups. Daniher is a good player but neither have top 10 tall forward combos but both have top small forwards and play to that. Fagan even mentioned it as a key plan to get the ball to ground so their ground players could get it.

We never know who we get in the trade until they chose us - but we have landed some very good ones. I’d like to see someone who can create some panic in the forward line when the ball hits the ground. The only one talked about is Gresham. Is there anyone else talked about? A few years ago their were a few at Sydney but they appear to have drifted away. Liam Henry?

Would be interesting to see what we do with what we have got. The obvious one who has shown a fair bit is Artie - he is still not impacting enough but he causes some and I think Daniel could be anything - such a smart player - I would give him the challenge. Charlie is the up and comer but a fair way off.

Could also take Dale forward in games and bring Cleary in to give us more class across the ground

 

[Claudonious]

Explain to me English taking the kick in with 1 minute to go then Charlie. His first kick in all year. You love to just dig at other people in this forum. Fact is on many occasions we looked like a load of rabble this year and the English kick in is a classic example. Our systems constantly broke down and were not good enough.

Compare that to the set plays which Collingwood implement in close games. We lost the close ones. So it breaking down somewhere, whether that's the players or the coaches or somewhere in between its an issue and you don't have to belittle others on this board who make valid points.

That was one play in 23 rounds of football . You could see English made a mistake, hesitated, then panicked knowing there was 40 seconds to go.

You cannot choose one moment of madness to supposedly demonstrate that the bulldogs have no game plan or strategy at all.

In my opinion, this year it was about execution. Watch the last qtr of the Swans game . The PLAYERS had about 10 rolled gold opportunities to ice the game, and stuffed them up with woeful skills and panicked actions.

That was the game that shattered their confidence. Too many mentally weak players and too few carrying them.

A bit of a clean out may change things very quickly. Nothing worse than not trusting some of your team mates - you know who they are,….


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[Dog 36]

That was one play in 23 rounds of football . You could see English made a mistake, hesitated, then panicked knowing there was 40 seconds to go.

You cannot choose one moment of madness to supposedly demonstrate that the bulldogs have no game plan or strategy at all.

In my opinion, this year it was about execution. Watch the last qtr of the Swans game . The PLAYERS had about 10 rolled gold opportunities to ice the game, and stuffed them up with woeful skills and panicked actions.

That was the game that shattered their confidence. Too many mentally weak players and too few carrying them.

A bit of a clean out may change things very quickly. Nothing worse than not trusting some of your team mates - you know who they are,….


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Agree with much you say BUT one can use the English example to show there is no plan or system when we need to score and been time poor.

Why I say that is because Dale was in a similar situation weeks before English and there was no plan then and there was no plan again weeks later with English.

The examples above are a sample of the bigger picture of lack of cohesion, lack of game plan, players not knowing their role and structures.

Our inability to stop consecutive goals by the opposition is another example of lack of strategy and system.

It’s poor on every level hence the trepidation vs Weat Coast.

 

[Dogs Rule]

We need more hard nosed, take no prisoners campaigners in the team. We're too soft and being soft we get pushed off the ball and dominated too easily.

 

[Here we go dogs]

Sounds simple but we need to move the ball quicker and play more corridor footy. If we are more direct we will play to the strengths of our keys forwards and we should find more 1v1s.

From memory we played the most boundary footy this year.

Also need to play specialist half forwards. We need at least 2 with aggression, speed and good enough skills to link up. Let’s stop hiding midfielder in these roles.

 

[Freshwater]

We need more hard nosed, take no prisoners campaigners in the team. We're too soft and being soft we get pushed off the ball and dominated too easily.

Jai Newcombe and Warpol and Day owned us completely in Tassie.

 

[LondonBulldog]

Collingwood essentially replicated the Tigers first premiership in 2017. A bunch of hard nosed runners. Not 1 key forward had an influence and they won 3 tough finals. 1 key defender and the rest are hard at it defenders.

Yet we seemed to persist with 3 tall forwards and 3 tall defenders?

 

[Golden_6]

Collingwood essentially replicated the Tigers first premiership in 2017. A bunch of hard nosed runners. Not 1 key forward had an influence and they won 3 tough finals. 1 key defender and the rest are hard at it defenders.

Yet we seemed to persist with 3 tall forwards and 3 tall defenders?

Collingwood played Cameron, Cox, Mihocek & Frampton (McStay) which is more or less the same structure as English, Lobb, Naughton & JUH.

Down back they had Moore, Murphy & Howe against the usual 3 taller defenders we have. I'm sure if we had versatile intercept defenders like Murphy & Howe then Bevo would use them too but we simply don't. There's a big difference playing smaller when all of the Pies defenders (Moore, Murphy, Howe, Maynard, Quaynor & Markov) are all athletic interceptors. We don't have anyone that belongs in that group other than Jones and Richards. It's a personnel issue.

 

[Optimistic Dog]

Collingwood essentially replicated the Tigers first premiership in 2017. A bunch of hard nosed runners. Not 1 key forward had an influence and they won 3 tough finals. 1 key defender and the rest are hard at it defenders.

Yet we seemed to persist with 3 tall forwards and 3 tall defenders?

Interesting do you develop a game plan to be successful first and then get the players to suit the game plan or to you develop the game plan to suit the players you have on your list. I would say the latter there are probably many styles that can win you a flag it depends on a lot of factors but the most critical is how well you execute the game plan.

Obviously, all game plans will not stack up against each other and it is a bit like rock, paper, scissors. Question with us with the apparent quality of our young talls is a game plan based around playing most of them at the one time a potential successful one if well executed or is it a dinosaur game style from yesteryear that will never work.

 

[doggies ftw]

You don’t have to copy the best, actually you’ll probably never win anything if you do. If there’s one part of the field we can get one over the current pies team it’s having great tall forwards that can make their defence accountable.

The problem is we don’t play a game which takes advantage of our biggest strength - we should be doing everything we can to give our forward line quick ball movement, that’s where we win, but our ball movement is probably the worse in the top 8

 

[Dogs54]

Interesting do you develop a game plan to be successful first and then get the players to suit the game plan or to you develop the game plan to suit the players you have on your list. I would say the latter there are probably many styles that can win you a flag it depends on a lot of factors but the most critical is how well you execute the game plan.

Obviously, all game plans will not stack up against each other and it is a bit like rock, paper, scissors. Question with us with the apparent quality of our young talls is a game plan based around playing most of them at the one time a potential successful one if well executed or is it a dinosaur game style from yesteryear that will never work.

It's a bit of both but certainly cannot have a game plan which is totally unsuitable for the players, must work with the players we have and modify for strategies to best suit. You will never have the perfect model but if you have buy in from the players you have every chance of being competitive.

 

[dogwatch]

Interesting do you develop a game plan to be successful first and then get the players to suit the game plan or to you develop the game plan to suit the players you have on your list. I would say the latter there are probably many styles that can win you a flag it depends on a lot of factors but the most critical is how well you execute the game plan.

Obviously, all game plans will not stack up against each other and it is a bit like rock, paper, scissors. Question with us with the apparent quality of our young talls is a game plan based around playing most of them at the one time a potential successful one if well executed or is it a dinosaur game style from yesteryear that will never work.

Short term you have to develop a plan that utilises what you've got and gets the best results possible in the circumstances.
Longer term you can build a list to suit the way you think the game needs to be played.

I hope that's where we are headed but there are some players that don't fit where most of us see the game heading. If we're correct those players will need to be moved on or retired over the next couple of years. No need to mention names as we've discussed them extensively.
I wonder if Bevo and Power share that same view of where the list needs to be improved?

It's not just about physical attributes & skills either - like pace, intercepting, vision and good disposal. It's also about mental and character attributes like toughness, leadership, application and teamwork. I feel we are lacking a little in those areas.

 

[perro_loco]

To do so we need to have the right player structure, If we line up something like this:

FB: Cleary Jones JJ
HB: Dale JOD Richards
C: Gallagher Libba Poulter
HF: West Naughton Baz
FF: Lobb Marra Flea
R: English Bont Treloar
INT: CD Buss Macrae Williams

We need to have more pace in the side and players who run and gun Clizz and Gags need a big preseason but need to be backed to play how they do in the 2s and take the game on and take risks,

We have a fantastic marking forward line and if you play them all in their right positions we are significantly better

Pace is something we definitely need, but more important either a new coach or assistant coaches with different ideas to Bevos atrocious thinking of playing Dunkley in the ruck. The sad thing about watching the GF was seeing Dunks and Lipinsky both playing in GF teams. Bevo has to go if we do not make top 4.

 

[perro_loco]

But that's exactly the point...

Collingwood with a minute to go. All players run to the right hand side of the field, knowing the ball was not going to them but platheir part. Moore, the designated kicker, looks for only 1 player, the designated runner over the top, a chain of breakaway then straight to Elliot. This had been planned, well drilled and Macrae said so after the match.

Bulldogs, English grabs the ball, Richards wants it off him, English ignores and goes for a run, at this stage he has no idea who he is passing the ball too, hes head is darting all over the place, has a bounce, then spots up Dale, who hot potatoes it to Williams who with a lack of aware gets caught.

Most sides are well drilled in these situations, some sides are fantastic at it others not so much. We clearly need work.

This is exactly correct. We have been so poorly coached that these things have not been thought out correctly at the coaching panel level and finishing 9th is the end result. Add to this having 7-10 players in the bottom rung who would not get a VFL game in any of the teams who finished in the top 8.