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[KillaKanga]

Being predominately white (or at least it seems there is more white) it will look great against the Black and yellow.

So pumped for this. Several of our boys are going to have blinders.

NDS 40disp
Black 7 goals
Hansen 18marks

 

[Ahern2Boof]

Being predominately white (or at least it seems there is more white) it will look great against the Black and yellow.

It's predominantly blue. It's the same as our clash jumper, but with Aboriginal artwork. It's going to look like blue v black at the ground.

 

[Only Forwards]

I am not really sure WTF I have just been reading.

Yeah white blokes need more of a crack at a game that they have dominated every aspect of whilst domineering over almost everyone else for 100+ years.

If you believe that we have anything f***ing remotely close to equality in this country you have not seen anywhere near enough of it.

On the idea of having a round to push awareness and make people with more comfortable with the idea of homosexuality I'm all for that.

There are 18 clubs with say 45 men on each list.

810 players.

Depending upon what you read the % of the population that identify as homosexual differs, based on a 2011 study I found we will go with 3.5% identifying as Gay or Bisexual. There are likely to be 28+ players currently on lists living part of their life in secret because of the current stigma around being Homosexual.

Such is the ignorance and lack of equality in the sport.

 

[Flawed Genius]

The answer to the question "why do the gays/women/blacks/mentally ill/obese/etc" need their own round is contained in the question.

The fact that you have to ask the question is proof enough that you don't understand the issue.

 

[KillaKanga]

It's predominantly blue. It's the same as our clash jumper, but with Aboriginal artwork. It's going to look like blue v black at the ground.

Yeah fair enough. The blue stripe has white on it and the white, blue on it. So probably a 50/50 mix. Will still look great against the dark Tigers jumper.

 

[tazaa]

Being predominately white (or at least it seems there is more white) it will look great against the Black and yellow.

So pumped for this. Several of our boys are going to have blinders.

NDS 40disp
Black 7 goals
Hansen 18marks

look like that

or this

 

[Ahern2Boof]

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look like that

or this

Riewoldt looks like a massive racist there.

 

[KillaKanga]

Riewoldt looks like a massive racist there.

He'd break his finger on Daw's tricep.

 

[hcd199]

I am not really sure WTF I have just been reading.

Yeah white blokes need more of a crack at a game that they have dominated every aspect of whilst domineering over almost everyone else for 100+ years.

If you believe that we have anything f***ing remotely close to equality in this country you have not seen anywhere near enough of it.

On the idea of having a round to push awareness and make people with more comfortable with the idea of homosexuality I'm all for that.

There are 18 clubs with say 45 men on each list.

810 players.

Depending upon what you read the % of the population that identify as homosexual differs, based on a 2011 study I found we will go with 3.5% identifying as Gay or Bisexual. There are likely to be 28+ players currently on lists living part of their life in secret because of the current stigma around being Homosexual.

Such is the ignorance and lack of equality in the sport.

Just as much as homosexual footballers not wanting to "come out" to the general public has its roots in the prejudice they'd be likely to experience, it's hard to deny that the change of focus it would bring within the media probably plays on players' minds as well - let's say there are 28, how many of that 28 would want to "come out" knowing they would become defined, in no small part, by that characteristic, instead of their ability to play football? If we did introduce a round to promote awareness of issues facing homosexuals, how many gay players would feel comfortable being chased for interviews all of that week for no reason other than which gender they happen to be sexually attracted to? My point being, it's not just those who are uncomfortable with homosexuality who contribute to the stigmatic environment gay players face: the well-intentioned are contributors as well.

As for arguments against having an indigenous round, or against having one without also having rounds for other races: I think, and much of the promotion around the round would seem to support this assertion (guernsey designs in particular), that the round is primarily a celebration of indigenous Australian culture (or, if people prefer it phrased without the racial connotation, "Australian culture prior to European 'settlement'"), which would negate any argument about race; to the extent that race is directly relevant, the round exists to draw attention to issues that are directly racially relevant, including any remnants of institutional bias against the race.

Like I said earlier in the thread, it's a great guernsey and I have no issue with us wearing it again this weekend.

 

[Only Forwards]

Just as much as homosexual footballers not wanting to "come out" to the general public has its roots in the prejudice they'd be likely to experience, it's hard to deny that the change of focus it would bring within the media probably plays on players' minds as well - let's say there are 28, how many of that 28 would want to "come out" knowing they would become defined, in no small part, by that characteristic, instead of their ability to play football? If we did introduce a round to promote awareness of issues facing homosexuals, how many gay players would feel comfortable being chased for interviews all of that week for no reason other than which gender they happen to be sexually attracted to? My point being, it's not just those who are uncomfortable with homosexuality who contribute to the stigmatic environment gay players face: the well-intentioned are contributors as well.

more awareness is surely a step in the path to more acceptance.

As for arguments against having an indigenous round, or against having one without also having rounds for other races: I think, and much of the promotion around the round would seem to support this assertion (guernsey designs in particular), that the round is primarily a celebration of indigenous Australian culture (or, if people prefer it phrased without the racial connotation, "Australian culture prior to European 'settlement'"), which would negate any argument about race; to the extent that race is directly relevant, the round exists to draw attention to issues that are directly racially relevant, including any remnants of institutional bias against the race.

As it should be given that the game we love has roots in Marn grook.

Like I said earlier in the thread, it's a great guernsey and I have no issue with us wearing it again this weekend.

Agree. I would be fine for it to be in semi regular rotation.

 

[hcd199]

more awareness is surely a step in the path to more acceptance.

Done correctly, yes. My concern is that media outlets will treat it as a novelty - even though this might reduce the "novelty" factor down the track, it is, I would think, a major consideration for any gay player who might consider raising their sexuality. It's also important that actions taken for the sake of "awareness" can make people who aren't aware aware: too often it's those who are already aware of a topic who take something out of such things, and those the round seeks to send a message to don't receive it.

As it should be given that the game we love has roots in Marn grook.

From the accounts I've read, I'm skeptical of any direct connection: with "football" rules generally differing amongst English codes at the time, the origins of Australian rules football seem to be found in attempts to find compromises between rules over which there was dispute (Can we run with the ball or not? Only if you bounce it every so often. Can we throw the ball or not? No, but you can hit it off your palm with a fist.). Accounts of what Marn Grook actually constituted aren't especially clear, so it may well have had an influence, but most claims about it being a direct inspiration on the foundations of Australian rules football seem to be misplaced, or at least the best fit explanation tends to be in reference to English schoolboy sports. Which is not to say that people familiar with the game of Marn Grook who subsequently played Australian rules football couldn't have transferred skills from one game to the other, just that the sport itself doesn't owe its origins to Marn Grook.

Agree. I would be fine for it to be in semi regular rotation.

I'd prefer we stick to our current home and clash guernseys, and save this one for the occasion it was designed for, but the logic of wearing it again in front of a Melbourne crowd is fair enough.

 

[Northerly]

It's also important that actions taken for the sake of "awareness" can make people who aren't aware aware: too often it's those who are already aware of a topic who take something out of such things, and those the round seeks to send a message to don't receive it.

Good point, although the AFL has more power than just about any organisation in the country to raise awareness. Some politician tells us that we need to be more aware and no-one gives a stuff, but if the AFL dedicates time to an issue then it resonates with a far wider audience.

The ANZAC round has unquestionably kept the significance of the day alive and the various other dedicated rounds achieve a similar aim. Part of the reason is that these are one-off occasions each year where there's a combination of awareness of a social issue combined with a celebration of how that issue has shaped the game.

If the purpose of any future "homosexual round" is to use the AFL's reach to educate bigots then that's positive, but my guess is that little would be achieved other than giving the Damo's of this world an excuse to ambulance chase any player who can locate Commercial Rd on the map.

 

[mattyk6]

Indigenous round pays homage to the traditional land owners and the contribution indigenous players have made to the game in terms of a different type of player, ie Rioli's flair, Lindsay's flair and Wellsy's speed. I'm not sure someone's sexual preference has an impact on the way they play the game or the contribution they make. I am all for equality, but equality for all not just those who have a specific sexual preference. Acceptance is about making no significance about someone's preferences, not making a whole round about them because they have different believes or preferences.

 

[Dirty_11]

The idea of the round is to celebrate the aboriginal players, who through uneducated hatred and ignorance had to endure a lot more obstacles to play league football.

Awareness raised through these ventures helps to educate the younger generation about the background and history of these prejudices. Thus, in time, creating more equal opportunity.

The problem with society is that it is littered with ordinary people. There will always be racists just like there will always be murderers, rapists and thieves.

 

[DarwinRoo]

Why would we need white history month in an education system that has white history year!

We live in a country that was inhabited by a race of people for 40000 years yet we know **** all about it. It's not studied in depth at primary or secondary level.

This country's history didn't begin on the 26th of January 1778.

 

[giantroo]

A new icon

 

[boneofshin]

A new icon

Don't recognise the player in that video...

 

[Cold Gin]

Why would we need white history month in an education system that has white history year!

We live in a country that was inhabited by a race of people for 40000 years yet we know **** all about it. It's not studied in depth at primary or secondary level.

This country's history didn't begin on the 26th of January 1778.

I guess you mean 1788. I'm not sure why you'd worry too much about the teaching of 40,000 years of history when you haven't quite mastered the past 230!

 

[DarwinRoo]

I guess you mean 1788. I'm not sure why you'd worry too much about the teaching of 40,000 years of history when you haven't quite mastered the past 230!

I apologise for getting the year the Brits stole a country and started their genocidal regime against the indigenous community wrong.

 

[Luke72]

Don't recognise the player in that video...

I think it is a stock model

 

[marklovesbeer]

So, which do we like better...?

 

[Ahern2Boof]

So, which do we like better...?

White one looks very classy. Will definitely be getting one, to go with my one from last year.

 

[marklovesbeer]

White one looks very classy. Will definitely be getting one, to go with my one from last year.

I didn't get last years but in hindsight kind of regret/ted it.
Really like this one. Think I'll get on board.

 

[Duvel]

I got last year one. I kinda want to get this year as well.

While this year looks great, I have to ask.. what is wrong with last year jumper? Why can't we wear it again?
I am hoping that North would adopt original and white version to be worn regularly during indigenous round from now on. The white version can serve as clash jumper.
I am not keen on having new design every year though.

 

[CURVE]

Isn't the indigenous design on the jumper supposed to tell a story, which is why we will get a new design each year?

I think the young artist (apologies for not know her name) has done a very good job in designing the jerseys, I liked last years design and regret not buying one, but I like the look of this years even more.