List Mgmt. Our List 2014 - Trade, De-list and Draft - (keep it all in here)

[slashin_velvet]

For me, Jamo is a must keep, unless it's to snag someone of the calibre of Buddy. With Jamo out, we have no defence.

Agreed....but for me as a disclaimer....if we manage to pick up Frawley, or another key defender monster, then we could let him go for the right price.

 

[slashin_velvet]

Havent seen the Gibbs interview...but if he wanted to go to Adelaide, I'd probably swap him for Sloane - can't see adelaide wanting that though when they could pick him up next year as FA. Club just has to play hard ball and say they wont let him go as a restricted FA.

 

[Silvagnis]

As unpalatable as it is, we probably need to deal with losing at least one of Yarran, Walker, Kruze, Jammo or Gibbs in order to get Tommy Boyd to his rightful home.

Daniher has kicked three goals on Rowe today.

I guess talls don't always take their time developing.

 

[Big Sim]

Oh boy it's going to be a long time to trade week/s...

 

[MightyBlue]

I don't think Tom Boyd is the answer. Talls, in particular forwards, take years to develop. If we manage to recruit him he'll be getting the same scrutiny that JK used to get and wont reach his potential for at least 3 years. I also believe GWS would be asking for one of our best young players, someone like Henderson, Gibbs or Kreuzer.

I believe tall defenders are easier to find, and much cheaper to get than key forwards. Am a big advocate of shifting Hendo forward and recuiting someone experienced to replace him down back. Frawley is the one being mentioned, but there are plenty of other options around the place. Brown from WC, Talia from Adelaide, even Pears and Hansen have had their moments. Look at teams with good depth in that area and pry one loose. Has Harry Taylor resigned yet? Remember hearing he was close, would be top of my list. If they're uncontracted it improves our bargaining position, and we've got a bit of trade bait available.

 

[LordLucifer]

I don't think Tom Boyd is the answer. Talls, in particular forwards, take years to develop. If we manage to recruit him he'll be getting the same scrutiny that JK used to get and wont reach his potential for at least 3 years. I also believe GWS would be asking for one of our best young players, someone like Henderson, Gibbs or Kreuzer.

I believe tall defenders are easier to find, and much cheaper to get than key forwards. Am a big advocate of shifting Hendo forward and recuiting someone experienced to replace him down back. Frawley is the one being mentioned, but there are plenty of other options around the place. Brown from WC, Talia from Adelaide, even Pears and Hansen have had their moments. Look at teams with good depth in that area and pry one loose. Has Harry Taylor resigned yet? Remember hearing he was close, would be top of my list. If they're uncontracted it improves our bargaining position, and we've got a bit of trade bait available.

If he isn't the answer, who goddam is then ??

So what if they take some time to develop, we need a gun key forward and I'm prepared to wait for one to hit their straps if they have the intestinal fortitude & overall ability in the first place.

If that isn't good enough for you, we could always trade for Milne & Blair so they can play alongside Betts & Garlett, it'll be a real high-marking frenzy then.

 

[BROWN20]

I don't think Tom Boyd is the answer. Talls, in particular forwards, take years to develop. If we manage to recruit him he'll be getting the same scrutiny that JK used to get and wont reach his potential for at least 3 years. I also believe GWS would be asking for one of our best young players, someone like Henderson, Gibbs or Kreuzer.

I believe tall defenders are easier to find, and much cheaper to get than key forwards. Am a big advocate of shifting Hendo forward and recuiting someone experienced to replace him down back. Frawley is the one being mentioned, but there are plenty of other options around the place. Brown from WC, Talia from Adelaide, even Pears and Hansen have had their moments. Look at teams with good depth in that area and pry one loose. Has Harry Taylor resigned yet? Remember hearing he was close, would be top of my list. If they're uncontracted it improves our bargaining position, and we've got a bit of trade bait available.

The problem we face is if we keep finishing mid-table we are not going to get access to the best young talent, we HAVE to make the hard decisions after this season, clean out the dead wood and be willing to trade for pick 1 so we have a young key forward we can build the structure around for the next 10 years, some players have not progressed to the levels expected so tough decisions need to be made, we need a Boyd & at least 1 free agent and improved talent selection via our drafting which has not been great.

Always easy after the event but how Darling and Murdoch were not drafted even at the time was not smart recruiting.

 

[Just Kreuzing]

If he isn't the answer, who goddam is then ??

So what if they take some time to develop, we need a gun key forward and I'm prepared to wait for one to hit their straps if they have the intestinal fortitude & overall ability in the first place.

If that isn't good enough for you, we could always trade for Milne & Blair so they can play alongside Betts & Garlett, it'll be a real high-marking frenzy then.

Freo are into Jack Darling, maybe worth a shot.

Buddy Franklin, Sooking Jack Riewoldt are other big names supposedly available.

Not alot TBH.

 

[slashin_velvet]

Talia from Adelaide

And barracked for carlton as a kid.

A way to make this scenario work (and who knows whether it would be good enough for other clubs):
- Gibbs to Adelaide for Talia and an upcoming mid
- Jamison and Warnock to GWS for pick 1 (probably not enough here...might need to throw in Yarran)
- Our first rounder Pick 7-12 for Frawley (Rationale here is he was a 1st round pick at about the same mark, and may leave via FA next year, I might be underselling him a little)

Outs: Gibbs, Jamison, Warnock, first round pick 7-12
Ins: Pick 1 (Boyd), Talia, Frawley, Young Adelaide mid (unproven risk)

Ignoring the fact that Melbourne and Adelaide would want to keep their players, this would give us a solid defence, and the ability to move Hendo forward. Then have Boyd playing when Waite is unavailable, with a view for him to take over.

I dont wanna lose Gibbs, but the club has to take free agency as a threat, and if Gibbs wont re-sign this year, then he is available for a good trade as far as im concerned.

The problem with this scenario is it sures up our spine, but we then lose the ability to bring in good mids via the draft.

 

[Just Kreuzing]

And Thomas via FA Slash !!

 

[LordLucifer]

Freo are into Jack Darling, maybe worth a shot.

Buddy Franklin, Sooking Jack Riewoldt are other big names supposedly available.

Not alot TBH.

I hear you but don't agree on a couple of things.

We should of taken Darling when we had the chance, he went at #26 yet we opted for Watson at #18. I'm sceptical about whether he would actually leave Perth hence the reason Freo may be into him (where did you get that info from ??). If he is on the market, go all guns blazing at him, offer up Yarran in a direct swap if need be because Darling is that robust third marking tall we have been lacking for years.

As for Franklin & Riewoldt, they are decent players but the pay packets they will be commanding should preclude us from going after them. Besides, going down that path is just reinforcing the "throw the chequebook at them" ideology which was okay pre-salary cap but just doesn't work these days.

Seeing as we are not realistically in the premiership window right now, our best option is to draft & trade shrewdly to bring in players with smaller pay packets and massive upside who are in their early 20's. That way we can build a list capable of making multiple assaults on a flag instead of having one huge crack that still could fail badly and then we would fall off the cliff badly like the Saints have.

 

[Azul]

Unless you know something about Jamison's shoulder, why would we trade him only to use our first pick on Frawley?

Is Frawley that good that you'd set back the cohesion of the backline?

Jamison would have been close to captain if he hadn't been injured last year.

 

[Silvagnis]

The problem we face is if we keep finishing mid-table we are not going to get access to the best young talent, we HAVE to make the hard decisions after this season, clean out the dead wood and be willing to trade for pick 1 so we have a young key forward we can build the structure around for the next 10 years, some players have not progressed to the levels expected so tough decisions need to be made, we need a Boyd & at least 1 free agent and improved talent selection via our drafting which has not been great.

Always easy after the event but how Darling and Murdoch were not drafted even at the time was not smart recruiting.

Murdoch is just another flanker like Bootsma, Yarran and Menzel.

Meh.

 

[LordLucifer]

And barracked for carlton as a kid.

Another example of our short-sighted drafting history, we took Lucas at 11 and then the Crows took Talia at 12. Could of saved ourselves the pain by snaffling him then & there.

 

[etsal1]

For the good of our long term future, we cannot afford to finish in the 8 this year. It is obvious were are in need of an influx of young talent to set up our future and help replace our ageing stars.

 

[LordLucifer]

Murdoch is just another flanker like Bootsma, Yarran and Menzel.

Meh.

Did you watch last night's game ?? He kicked two pressure goals in the last to wrap up the game for the Cats, he was terrific.

Would Bootsma, Yarran or Menzel done the same for us under the pressure cooker atmosphere ?? Highly debateable !!

 

[MightyBlue]

If he isn't the answer, who goddam is then ??

So what if they take some time to develop, we need a gun key forward and I'm prepared to wait for one to hit their straps if they have the intestinal fortitude & overall ability in the first place.

If that isn't good enough for you, we could always trade for Milne & Blair so they can play alongside Betts & Garlett, it'll be a real high-marking frenzy then.

Said I thought moving Henderson forward and recruiting a ready made defender was the answer....

Problem with waiting for Boyd to hit his staps in 3+ years is our list ages another 3 years before he's ready to have an impact in the way required to provide any value. For example Murph will be 29 and Walks 30, and entering the twilight of their careers. Carazzo, Simpson, Judd, Waite, Jamo, Scotland, Mclean and Betts will all likely be long gone.

I'm not convinced we need to rebuild, but if we are going to go down that path, do it properly, not half arsed. Cut/trade anyone that's not likely to be part of our next premiership, bar a couple of old hands to guide the new recruits so they don't get smashed (don't repeat melbourne's mistakes), and build a team from the ground up.

 

[slashin_velvet]

Unless you know something about Jamison's shoulder, why would we trade him only to use our first pick on Frawley?

Is Frawley that good that you'd set back the cohesion of the backline?

Jamison would have been close to captain if he hadn't been injured last year.

I dont know anything specific on Jamo's shoulders...but they are a concern, Constantly taped up...continually twinging them. Dont get me wrong...I think he is a fantastic defender and a good leader for our club....but I dont see him having the durability to get through another 4-5 years, and when we are set to challenge is a bit up in the air for me now. The scenario I posted up was a rebuild strategy....rather than a top up. It would be a brand new defensive unit with Talia and Frawley the main defenders.

I think Frawley would be worth a first rounder, and would expect them to want more than that.

 

[Just Kreuzing]

I hear you but don't agree on a couple of things.

We should of taken Darling when we had the chance, he went at #26 yet we opted for Watson at #18. I'm sceptical about whether he would actually leave Perth hence the reason Freo may be into him (where did you get that info from ??). If he is on the market, go all guns blazing at him, offer up Yarran in a direct swap if need be because Darling is that robust third marking tall we have been lacking for years.

As for Franklin & Riewoldt, they are decent players but the pay packets they will be commanding should preclude us from going after them. Besides, going down that path is just reinforcing the "throw the chequebook at them" ideology which was okay pre-salary cap but just doesn't work these days.

Seeing as we are not realistically in the premiership window right now, our best option is to draft & trade shrewdly to bring in players with smaller pay packets and massive upside who are in their early 20's. That way we can build a list capable of making multiple assaults on a flag instead of having one huge crack that still could fail badly and then we would fall off the cliff badly like the Saints have.

Not really any inside info, probably should of clarified I was told by someone that they read it somewhere, I will try and find out where that was, probably just a fantasy trade option for Freo that someone has thrown up instead overpaying for Buddy.

Agree on Franklin and Riewoldt also agree on the draft and trade approach like the Swans and Hawks have done over the past few years to strengthen their teams.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Did you watch last night's game ?? He kicked two pressure goals in the last to wrap up the game for the Cats, he was terrific.

He kicked 3 in the last quarter.......not bad for a second year player in a 1st v 2nd clash at the MCG in front of 85k.

 

[LordLucifer]

Said I thought moving Henderson forward and recruiting a ready made defender was the answer....

Problem with waiting for Boyd to hit his staps in 3+ years is our list ages another 3 years before he's ready to have an impact in the way required to provide any value. For example Murph will be 29 and Walks 30, and entering the twilight of their careers. Carazzo, Simpson, Judd, Waite, Jamo, Scotland, Mclean and Betts will all likely be long gone.

I'm not convinced we need to rebuild, but if we are going to go down that path, do it properly, not half arsed. Cut/trade anyone that's not likely to be part of our next premiership, bar a couple of old hands to guide the new recruits so they don't get smashed (don't repeat melbourne's mistakes), and build a team from the ground up.

More than happy with that approach, would strongly advocate going down that path but only if it is done in a systematic & well thought out manner.

 

[slashin_velvet]

Jeez...speak of the devil and the devil gets subbed off and down into the rooms.

 

[Sharks On A Plane]

Trading Jamison is not the answer to anything, so please stop talking about it.

plz

 

[Silvagnis]

Did you watch last night's game ?? He kicked two pressure goals in the last to wrap up the game for the Cats, he was terrific.

Would Bootsma, Yarran or Menzel done the same for us under the pressure cooker atmosphere ?? Highly debateable !!

It's not debateable when I was talking about the needs for another flanker/mid.

Wouldn't change Yarran, Menzel or Bootsma for Murdoch ATM.

 

[Azul]

Murdoch is an example of clogging our list and going to the draft with minimal selections.

Shallow draft and all, there's no way Sam Rowe, a 23yo retread, was worth pick 44. But since we'd pre-committed to Sam via a gentleman's agreement and Dylan via F/S, we effectively had only 1 live pick.