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MckayMagic
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We all know Teague will be done after tonight but it feels like Teague cops all the blame and very little blame gets put on the players. The game plan worked well for the first part of the game and then the players get comfortable and drop the effort.
Next victim.
DamianBis
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Teagues job as a coach is not just tactical
It's to get the best out of the players. So if it's the players fault then it's still teagues fault.
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Indeed. The task facing a new coach would be to identify and either (a) develop or (b) replace the many players on our list for whom near enough is good enough, or worse, give the perception of buy-in and effort more so than genuinely delivering upon it. It appears that mediocrity is so ingrained that 'satisfactory' is laudable, and standards and expectations are set too low to push continual improvement.
I don't know who among the poll options is best placed to deal with this issue, but one can't help but feel the new coach is going to have to deliver some harsh truths - so perhaps someone comfortable with not being everyone's best mate initially.
One thing now is that Lyon or Clarko will be more keen to take over after today.
Either one of them will look like saviours because the only way is up from here…
Either one of them will look like saviours because the only way is up from here…
I really feel for Teague. Like I did Bolton before him. Teague was the saviour a few years ago. Everyone was thrilled. Now look at how he’s treated. Would love to know what goes on behind closed doors at our club.
I think we should have persisted with Bolton, especially for what he did for the culture of our entire club. I remember when he took the draftees on a bonding camp and he was so big on manners and respect and gratitude. That kind of thing needs to be explicitly taught to some people unfortunately. Bolton used to bring the entire club together, try to unite CFC on and off the field. Maybe Teague became too friendly with the players, who knows.
This is two good people (if Teague goes) that the club has promised the earth too but when the going gets tough, they’re shown the door.
I think we should have persisted with Bolton, especially for what he did for the culture of our entire club. I remember when he took the draftees on a bonding camp and he was so big on manners and respect and gratitude. That kind of thing needs to be explicitly taught to some people unfortunately. Bolton used to bring the entire club together, try to unite CFC on and off the field. Maybe Teague became too friendly with the players, who knows.
This is two good people (if Teague goes) that the club has promised the earth too but when the going gets tough, they’re shown the door.
I thought he was handed a premiership team that was quite young as a rookie coach and ****ed it,
That’s right. But if they don’t release the findings, how will change at board level ever come about?
Pyke is our guy
MckayMagic
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I don’t disagree but if the players are up at the start of the game which clearly they were surely he doesn’t need to motivate them at every break to keep them going surely the coaches are allowed to try and coach to make decisions instead of having to make sure they are mentally willing to contribute every qtr.
Why?
Best fit for where we are at.
(His game plan v our list)
Experience to take us forward without costing too much soft cap, so room to round out the team.
Won't come in expecting the whole club to revolve around him - I'm not keen to have all eggs in one basket.
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I'd say it's more than just his opinion, after yesterday I'd probably go as far as to say it's everyone here's opinion. And if it's not then it should be.
While I believe our next coach will be either Clarkson or Lyon, I wouldn’t raise any objections to Pyke.
Forgive the intrusion - I come in peace.
I just don't know how relevant the coach is at your club anymore. You've had some bloody good coaches over the journey but the result of each has been like watching a bad movie on repeat. Take any AFL coach and bring them into Carlton and I doubt things would change.
Something is deeply wrong at Carlton at the most senior level, and I hope that gets uncovered soon. The way the players capitulated last night was really damning - it looked like an exasperated playing group out there. There was no effort for the milestone game, the coach who's probably going out the door, it just looked like a group of players with no passion, no drive, no anything. They look exhausted, as if they genuinely believe they have no options.
I've seen similar things at Adelaide. That club is so clearly rotten to the core. The whole place needs to be nuked and start again with no past people in charge.
I fear Carlton might need to meet the same fate before things improve. You don't stay in this position for 25 years for nothing. There are clearly some leaders at the club that need to be turfed out before things can improve.
I have family who are Blues supporters and it sucks that they never get to share in the typical footy banter and excitement that the rest of my family does. To them, footy has become just one big sad joke. I feel for them for this, they deserve better. Decades of memberships should net you more than this.
I hope someone takes out the trash and brings Carlton back to the fray again. If Richmond can do it, Carlton should be able to as well.
I just don't know how relevant the coach is at your club anymore. You've had some bloody good coaches over the journey but the result of each has been like watching a bad movie on repeat. Take any AFL coach and bring them into Carlton and I doubt things would change.
Something is deeply wrong at Carlton at the most senior level, and I hope that gets uncovered soon. The way the players capitulated last night was really damning - it looked like an exasperated playing group out there. There was no effort for the milestone game, the coach who's probably going out the door, it just looked like a group of players with no passion, no drive, no anything. They look exhausted, as if they genuinely believe they have no options.
I've seen similar things at Adelaide. That club is so clearly rotten to the core. The whole place needs to be nuked and start again with no past people in charge.
I fear Carlton might need to meet the same fate before things improve. You don't stay in this position for 25 years for nothing. There are clearly some leaders at the club that need to be turfed out before things can improve.
I have family who are Blues supporters and it sucks that they never get to share in the typical footy banter and excitement that the rest of my family does. To them, footy has become just one big sad joke. I feel for them for this, they deserve better. Decades of memberships should net you more than this.
I hope someone takes out the trash and brings Carlton back to the fray again. If Richmond can do it, Carlton should be able to as well.
I'd also be happy with him as a hands-on football manager with a Burns/Kingsley/Voss as coach.
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Keep driving the narrative.
JuddsABlue
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Clarko has WAY too many Malthouse vibes for me
I wish Buckleys history was at any other club than Collingwood because he is the clear and obvious best choice for us imo. But with the recent Malthouse/Daisy experience still fresh in peoples minds the club may be too scared to go back to the Collingwood well
Clarko has "my way or the highway, I know it all about senior coaching" vibes much like Malthouse, where as Buckley has the experience of head coach but is as hungry for success as any and will be willing to grow and learn with the group.
Some speculation there from me but that's how I see it
I wish Buckleys history was at any other club than Collingwood because he is the clear and obvious best choice for us imo. But with the recent Malthouse/Daisy experience still fresh in peoples minds the club may be too scared to go back to the Collingwood well
Clarko has "my way or the highway, I know it all about senior coaching" vibes much like Malthouse, where as Buckley has the experience of head coach but is as hungry for success as any and will be willing to grow and learn with the group.
Some speculation there from me but that's how I see it
I tend to agree although it would be a wild ride so I'd be interested to see it play out.
My concern with the Clarko/Lyon types is they might come in with the promise to implement their systems and get us back on track, but if it's not working out they say we need a rebuild and we're too invested in them to push back.
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Buckley broke apart a side that won and got to a grand final because of his ego. Fell down the ladder, didn't get to finals between 2014 and 2017. Finished in the bottom six got the easiest draw ever 17 home games (including finals) and made top 4, getting 3 home finals. He blew up salary cap and the team relationships to try and get to another.
Won nothing and left Pies in a worse position than when he started.
We do not want him it would be the worst possible choice for coach. FIGJAM
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Interestingly enough, I think that is exactly what we do need. It's the attitude he took to Hawthorn and it's the attitude that, reportedly, encouraged Melbourne to take a pass. It's not just the players who need to cop it, it's the entire club. We need football people making football decisions. People are so easily won over by corporate hotshots - first and foremost, we're a football club... it should be run like one.
I know someone extremely closely connected to Hawthorn board/footy dept and Clarko does come with a mad and demanding streak - it doesn't work for everyone but it does work. I reckon we need that. It also means he clashes with other strong personalities, which is bound to happen at Carlton - be great if it leads to the end of the Pratt/Mathieson association.
I also don't think Clarko's exit is as similar to MM's as people are making out. Clarko was willing to partake in the transition and suggested they hold onto Mitchell - he approached the board. It got messy (and may end up screwing the Hawks) but I don't see the bitterness that was attached to MM's exit.
My dream team all along has been Clarko and Hodge.. I thought it was a pipe dream, but I'm hopeful there is some truth to these rumours.
..I'd also be ok with Bucks, Pyke etc.
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