Rucks often play forward. That's not random its just dumb.
Prediction Our next coach
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Piggy Smalls
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He played as the second ruck and spent more of the game forward than on the ball. Which anyone will tell you is more suited to Voss.
He would unleash the unicorn though and scare WA journo’s about writing shit about us.
He should have played as the 1st ruck. As he did in the preseason games. Jackson should played forward with Amiss and Treacy. Like we did in the preseason games.
Starting Jackson in the ruck was dumb. Playing Chapman as sub and having 8 other defenders dumb. We didn’t see a defender repositioned to a wing or forward line until late in the game. Had Worner played wing and used his tank would have been valuable.
We saw the midfield handed over to Brayshaw, Johnson and O’Driscoll with Serong playing a part time FF and onball result. I suspect Serong was sick.
So many poor decisions.
Well we don't know their relationship, but I think it is more likely they get on well.
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Look it's not just having JL as coach.
It's having a bunch of vanilla assistant coaches around him.
There isn't much point of difference around him.
We knew that last year, & nothing was done around him.
I would rather have a hard ass somebody or 2 who can push the players & even JL at times.
It's having a bunch of vanilla assistant coaches around him.
There isn't much point of difference around him.
We knew that last year, & nothing was done around him.
I would rather have a hard ass somebody or 2 who can push the players & even JL at times.
Mesc
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If we do get Longmire it will be handy for the club to save money on shirts. The local embroidery shop can just alter a couple of stitches on the name tag.
The Feeder Club
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The argument in favour of a recycled coach is, with the exception of Port, each of the virgin expansion clubs West Coast, Adelaide and Brisbane needed an experienced hard head to raise the club's standards and give the final push to a talented list to deliver their first flag.
It's what we tried, almost successfully, with Lyon.
The arguments against are bigger - the club is 30 years old and shouldn't need it, there's really no one of the calibre of Matthews and Malthouse available, and from 2011 onwards every flag has been won by a coach in his first gig so recent history says it isn't necessary
It's what we tried, almost successfully, with Lyon.
The arguments against are bigger - the club is 30 years old and shouldn't need it, there's really no one of the calibre of Matthews and Malthouse available, and from 2011 onwards every flag has been won by a coach in his first gig so recent history says it isn't necessary
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If you can’t get Chris Scott, go for the best up and coming assistant.
That’s not already in our coaches box
That’s not already in our coaches box
swanny1234
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The list he has to work with is light years ahead of what any other Freo coach has had with the exception of maybe Ross from 2013-15, and I'd still argue this current list has more talent, but rudderless. Longmuir is our worst coach.
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Crazy situation. Compounded by a horror start, but the criticisms are justified, for the moment. But interesting, to a degree. Add a poll, I'm curious to see the percentage of here's opinions:
All those sorts of things
- Should J-Lo coach out 2025, irrespective of performance. No finals and GONE! Finals is a pass-mark (etc)
- Should a new coach be installed before the bye (if results warrant it)
- Should a new coach be a first time coach or an experienced head
- It doesn't matter, Freo will never be any good
All those sorts of things
I think he should be let go, and quickly. I think 2025 can be rescued, but the players can’t play to his game plan.
The idea of chipping the ball around at half-back, allowing the zone to be set, then running the ball by hand, through the middle of the ground is ludicrous. We are starting the game with our hands tied behind our back. We are inviting pressure, trying to pull off ridiculous chains of handball through the middle of the ground, allowing turnovers in our back half which leads to quick scores against.
Our half-backs need to be given license to go, not chip sideways and waste 20 seconds while the opposition set up. We should be kicking through the zone, only sometimes handballing. Our gameplan is fundamentally flawed.
Have to disagree.
McPharlin, Sandi, Pav, Mundy, Fyfe, Hill, Walters, Ballas is untouchable as a top end.
Darcy is never available, Pearce often injured, our key forwards are a couple of years off being ready and we have no quality small forwards.
Our midfield is hard working but very vanilla without Young. We don’t have anyone else that can kick the ball like Hill & Mundy did & Fyfe was the best contested mark in the game. We don’t have enough elite talent just a more even spread.
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Surely going by wasted talent the Connelly years and failure to consistently make finals in the mid-2000s is worse?
Got to let the early part of the season play out I think.
Coaches like Longmire and Simpson can't just be parachuted in after we've publicly committed to Longmuir. But it isn't just the optics. If that's the way we go the bye would be the earliest.
The situation is looming as a bit of a mess, and the club needs clarity in whatever move it makes, not more mess.
Quazar2
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I think you'll find that's exactly what will happen. The club won't want to make any rash decisions, but not sure it will like this egg on its face so early on after all the 'tough talk' of being a finals team and playing for a flag. Garlick's talk, not mine. Nothing like some grand ole wins though to immediately remove that monkey off the back. It's about what mettle the club has now, collectively and we're all about to find out.
Those names at the top (add in Johnson, Duffield and Barlow IMO) are so bloody good really but the majority of the rest of the team were either role players that only looked good because they played Ross Lyon’s system and/or just there because you need to play 22 each week. The bottom six is far less talented than it should be now.
Let’s be honest does anyone here have Reidy or Worner in our top 30 players? I certainly don’t. Banfield is the sort of guy you’d happily have at the back end of your depth that’s used reasonably regularly (i.e. 7-10 times a season) and be happy with him in that role. Selection of the team is one thing a new coach would fix almost overnight.
Realistically I think most of this board would’ve said Johnson was bottom six before last weekend. Wasn’t bottom six on Saturday and is only in his third season of actually playing.
The greater issue is getting 10-12 players up to standard to match that 2013-2015 squad. Time to stop blaming the bottom six because the whole team is not performing - it starts at the top with your leaders (both coaches and players).
Agree completely. People have short memories. There was also Johnson who had an AA season and played to a high level in other years. Barlow was a gun.
Crowley was the best in the business at what he did. If it was a competitive international sport and Australia was actually going to play another similar level team, somebody would at least have put his name in the ring. I think this even happened in 2013 discussion for the AA side. He won the Doig in 2012, 4th in 2013, and I wish we had rushed him straight back for the 2015 prelim to knock Mitchell's head off.
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AFL has the most players on the ground of any sport. So the bottom end of the list is more important than any other sport.
Ross was like the rising tide that lifts all boats. People forget that guys like Crowley BECAME A-grade players under Ross. He was in delist territory in 2011 and made the Bnf in 2012.
Ross never magically made any of the 15-22 players more skillful or talented, he made them 'give great effort' and that weight of numbers got us across the line.
The biggest hallmark of JLo teams is that lack of effort imo. You can tell in the first couple of minutes if serious AFL teams are on and we're regularly not.
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This is what would be keeping Garlick and the board awake at night.
Any team in the AFL, whether they are 1st or 18th, is going to struggle if the required level of effort and intensity is not there.
Somehow, JL has to get them playing unconditional football and if he can't he's toast.
Yep. You need match winners and we had a bunch of them then. I don’t believe you can win a premiership without a few absolutely elite players who can drag a team over the line off their own back.
Remember the contested marks Fyfe consistently took up on the wing, the games where Pav took the game by a scruff, Hill scything through the center with 70m plays, Mundy winning hard ball & lacing it out inside 50, Ballas doing mercurial team lifting things & getting in the oppositions faces.
You can carry role players if you have elite top end talent. I would argue we don’t have anyone elite except possibly Serong & he can’t kick reliably. Brayshaw is amazing in his efforts across 4 quarters but rarely kicks goals or hits a target inside 50 (although this is improving).
Cox has been elite but is miles off it currently, ditto Pearce & Ryan. Walters is cooked, Fyfe is cooked.
Young could reach elite, Darcy maybe & Bolton is but we can’t judge this team till they’re actually playing. Look at the difference Bolton alone made against Melbourne.
The team we put out last week was ok on paper but so many of them are rusty, out of form and we had no one to lift them. To light the spark.
Treacy utterly bottled it & really the only shining light was Reid.
We had the least experienced team in the whole of the AFL on the weekend. That doesn't sound like the formal to winning.
Jlo is also responsible for developing the players to be light years ahead of the other teams. It's not just the draft picks that gets you there.
wakojako
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Anyone who thinks this man shouldn't be taking the helm should just look at his stats:
Among 385 AFL coaches all-time, of which only 25 have coached 300 games or more, only 13 have got to 400, and only seven went beyond 500, Longmire is 22nd all-time at 333. And he’s one of only nine coaches to go 300-plus at the same club.
Of 56 who coached a minimum 150 games Longmire’s 63 per cent success rate is sixth best behind only Chris Scott (68.11%), Dick Reynolds (66.99%), Jock McHale (66.06%), Frank Hughes (65.08%) and Tom Hafey (64.75%).
Among 385 AFL coaches all-time, of which only 25 have coached 300 games or more, only 13 have got to 400, and only seven went beyond 500, Longmire is 22nd all-time at 333. And he’s one of only nine coaches to go 300-plus at the same club.
Of 56 who coached a minimum 150 games Longmire’s 63 per cent success rate is sixth best behind only Chris Scott (68.11%), Dick Reynolds (66.99%), Jock McHale (66.06%), Frank Hughes (65.08%) and Tom Hafey (64.75%).
