List Mgmt. Our Trade/FA, Suburban & Country Town Thread

[Harry O]

No surprise that the Carlton supporting journos in the media are the biggest wank3rs.

Edmund and Andy Maher leading the charge.

Don’t forget Sam McLure and Tim Lame

 

[iGNITER]

Can’t help but think Richards is the key to the Houston trade that gazumps Carlton. All they have is Owies as a counter but I doubt PA bite.

Yeah, all the chess pieces are there for Collingwood, Port and GC to make a deal happen. No doubt.

 

[The Majestic]

Sounds like the trade desk just wants some drama today.

Must be pretty boring for them, so might as well do something.

 

[The Majestic]

Don’t forget Sam McLure and Tim Lame

I try hard to forget them, even harder to forget the Tim is a Tasmanian.

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

Yeah, all the chess pieces are there for Collingwood, Port and GC to make a deal happen. No doubt.

I understand that Carlton relenting on its draft pick would be enough to get Port listening but given everything is aligned with Houston, Richards, Noble and Lukosius I don't know why they'd just blow it up.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Edmunds needs to **** off to the Carlton board on Bigfooty and leave journalism for the professionals

He's really laying it on thick and I suspect he'll become borderline unbearable to listen to as the deadline gets closer with the deal not done

 

[3rdMan]

No but usually the best sub 21s turn into the best sub 25s and guess where that leads...especially when talking about rejuvenation of an older list.

Under 21 is irrelevant. It's not as if anyone 21 and over does not have a long term future (especially when Nick is 21). If you're looking 5 years into the future we still have quite a strong core that we continue to add to. Schultz, Perryman and Houston if he comes will all still be around then. These help to replace our retiring runners.

We're rejuvenating our list with medium term additions at the moment. Younger players will also be added to the team and squad. Some potential names - McGuane, Allan, Parker, TJ, HDM, Condon, Harrison, Smith, Steene.

With the medium term additions we do not have a cliff coming in the next couple of years. We do have a challenge to replenish our KPP stocks, but are looking pretty good for runners and will surely add more.

 

[loki04]

Assuming we get Pick 13 - Can’t help but think Richards is the key to the Houston trade that gazumps Carlton. All they have is Owies as a counter but I doubt PA bite.

Port have sold the dream to Richards there is no way they back out due to this deal.

Would damage their brand to Player managers and players alike.

 

[loki04]

Under 21 is irrelevant. It's not as if anyone 21 and over does not have a long term future (especially when Nick is 21). If you're looking 5 years into the future we still have quite a strong core that we continue to add to. Schultz, Perryman and Houston if he comes will all still be around then. These help to replace our retiring runners.

We're rejuvenating our list with medium term additions at the moment. Younger players will also be added to the team and squad. Some potential names - McGuane, Allan, Parker, TJ, HDM, Condon, Harrison, Smith, Steene.

With the medium term additions we do not have a cliff coming in the next couple of years. We do have a challenge to replenish our KPP stocks, but are looking pretty good for runners and will surely add more.

Sub 23 could be used if you prefer.

18 to 22 yo group coming up with Nick peaking together is my concern.

Not just Nick Daicos and bupkis.

You need more then one star player on a team.

 

[sr36]

As a Carlton nuff I believe you're both correct in a sense. Our 'midfield' pace is horrendous and means even with a Houston type we're still going to struggle to transition the ball as well as the best teams in the comp due to the lack of players able to get separation through the middle of the ground. Our half backs are pretty decent and most have above average foot skills but they're kicking to players who need to be hit precisely on the tit to take a mark because they cant find space. Hence why we're looking to offload Kennedy, Owies types who practically run backwards they're that slow.

Adding players in our midfield who can provide some run and dash would definitely help break open the game, or we could try to add some more speed through our flanks which is what the Giants have done to surround their fairly slow on ballers. Either of these would help us move the ball quickly just as much as Houston would imo. Where those players are available to us is another predicament entirely. There's really not much on the trade market, but imo there's 3-4 in the draft right at our first pick range in Berry, Travaglia, Hotton and Lindsay - Likely why our list team are so adamant on not trading the pick.

Imo Houston would be a better fit at the Pies next year in terms of impact. After a few more list changes to add some speed and run to our list he might be a perfect targeted selection for the Blues... But it's a line ball call imo.

End of the day I don't think we pull the trigger on Houston unless a lot of other things line up in terms of adding other FR picks and finding new homes for Kennedy, Owies, Carroll etc which allows us to get up near those kids in the draft who fill a need for us.

Gut feel he's Pies bound.

Where I disagree is that teams who pass it forward rather than just going long down the line aren't usually hitting blokes who've got separation through searing leads. It's the workrate and running patterns of the receivers and the kicking skills, decision making and willingness to pull the trigger quickly of the bloke with the ball. I think he'd be an enormous difference maker for Carlton.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Assuming we get Pick 13 - Can’t help but think Richards is the key to the Houston trade that gazumps Carlton. All they have is Owies as a counter but I doubt PA bite.

All logic suggest there's no way he ends up anywhere but Collingwood

All Carlton can offer is 12. One pick better than the one we're reported to be getting from Gold Coast.

Why would straight up 12 and a future first be more desirable to Port than 13 combined with a smooth easy path to Lukosius and Richards?

Logic doesn't always pan out of course, but on the surface it doesn't seem he ends up anywhere but Collingwood or staying at Port.

 

[loki04]

All logic suggest there's no way he ends up anywhere but Collingwood

All Carlton can offer is 12. One pick better than the one we're reported to be getting from Gold Coast.

Why would straight up 12 and a future first be more desirable to Port than 13 combined with a smooth easy path to Lukosius and Richards?

Port like to posture. Love to been seen as outright winning like Essendon.

 

[Pistol Night]

He's really laying it on thick and I suspect he'll become borderline unbearable to listen to as the deadline gets closer with the deal not done

Smells of desperation that they’re missing out

 

[3rdMan]

I'd be very surprised if Blues don't decide to give up pick 12. They'll look to replace it with another pick, but even if not I think they'll offer their first and their F1. This is basically the same as we're offering, so the push may be on to include extra picks to get one club over the line, or maybe Richards gets us there.

Always a risk that you pay overs in a bidding war. If we get Houston, great. If we don't but end up with pick 13 etc from Suns, also great. At worst we force Blues to pay more and keep our picks, either for the draft or another trade.

 

[Matt_352]

It just makes too much sense with Luko to Port Noble to Suns, Richards to Port, all the pieces are there.

 

[TradeDraft]

Sounds like the trade desk just wants some drama today.

Well 1st week is Normally Boring

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Slightly offset by having the best 21 y/o in the comp

And Allan will be a beast. Like Nicky D, we almost immediately extended his contract to four years.

 

[Apex36]

How old were you between 1996 and 1999?

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Still the best player I've sent at the pies and have a look what it was like back then with sweet fa talent around him.

Was it lack of talent or that Shaw was a god awful coach?
Pretty telling to me that we were playing in a grand final only 2 years after Malthouse took over.

 

[tmpies01]

What’s the huge difference between Blues pick 12 and (our potential) pick 13? Plus we have a player Port want in Richards. All the pieces of the puzzle are there. It’s a nervous wait until we get that pick from GC but the moment it happens I’m 100% certain Houston is a done deal to Pies.

I think the media know it’s a one horse race at the moment and they need to keep this story interesting.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I reckon once Houston joins the Pies, the Blues will look back in anger.

And once their midfield is slowly walking down the hall, something something something caught beneath the Leppa slide

All your dreams were made
When you joined the Pies from Port Adelaide
25’s the year when all the fans will see

Another sunny afternoon
Kicking goals to the sound of “Coll-ing-wood”
The media never know what they don’t know too soon

 

[Jafo]

Was it lack of talent or that Shaw was a god awful coach?
Pretty telling to me that we were playing in a grand final only 2 years after Malthouse took over.

Could ask the same for Bucks and Fly

 

[Harry O]

We just need to get the pick 13 deal done

Happy to use it on Houston but also would be more than happy to use it in draft

 

[loki04]

It just makes too much sense with Luko to Port Noble to Suns, Richards to Port, all the pieces are there.

Surely Lukosius is the most costly of that trio.

Is pick 13 going to a circlular currency? The 3 Stooges?




Pies > GC - Noble + F1
GC > Pies - 13, 20, 26
Pies > Port - 13, 20, Richards
Port > Pies - Houston, F3
GC > Port - Lukosius
Port > GC - Pick 13.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

Even these two tweets

Look at the framing

Riley Beveridge is also a Carlton man is he not? It seeps from their skin.

 

[lones37]

As a Carlton nuff I believe you're both correct in a sense. Our 'midfield' pace is horrendous and means even with a Houston type we're still going to struggle to transition the ball as well as the best teams in the comp due to the lack of players able to get separation through the middle of the ground. Our half backs are pretty decent and most have above average foot skills but they're kicking to players who need to be hit precisely on the tit to take a mark because they cant find space. Hence why we're looking to offload Kennedy, Owies types who practically run backwards they're that slow.

Adding players in our midfield who can provide some run and dash would definitely help break open the game, or we could try to add some more speed through our flanks which is what the Giants have done to surround their fairly slow on ballers. Either of these would help us move the ball quickly just as much as Houston would imo. Where those players are available to us is another predicament entirely. There's really not much on the trade market, but imo there's 3-4 in the draft right at our first pick range in Berry, Travaglia, Hotton and Lindsay - Likely why our list team are so adamant on not trading the pick.

Imo Houston would be a better fit at the Pies next year in terms of impact. After a few more list changes to add some speed and run to our list he might be a perfect targeted selection for the Blues... But it's a line ball call imo.

End of the day I don't think we pull the trigger on Houston unless a lot of other things line up in terms of adding other FR picks and finding new homes for Kennedy, Owies, Carroll etc which allows us to get up near those kids in the draft who fill a need for us.

Gut feel he's Pies bound.

Very sensible post, and as you have described, with the game now turning to transition and speed, Carlton needs to find some to improve, with Kennedy being much the same mould as the other midfielders. Would Houston improve Carlton? Absolutely. Way more damaging with his elite disposal than Newman, imo. So you can see why Carlton want to keep the pick to use on elite young talent.

For us, he would replace Noble, and be a superior upgrade by a fair margin. Noble has speed and run but lacks polish and can turn the ball over, Houston is not as quick but will punish with his disposal. Given where it all sits it is hard not to see him end up at Collingwood, given Richards wants to go there and GC want Noble.