List Mgmt. Our Trade/FA, Suburban & Country Town Thread

[3066]

Scott Burns was a late pick in the draft I'm pretty sure.

I'd assume Anth and Licca were traded in the same way Bucks and Clement were.

Scott Burns of the Collingwood Magpies Career AFL Stats

Scott Burns of Collingwood Magpies career AFL statistics

www.footywire.com

 

[stormskye]

We might throw in the Hawks’ 2nd to try and get it upgraded to 29?

Getting more objective

 

[loki04]

We've not traded out of drafts though. Took a first and second rounder last year. Unless your criticisms go back pre 2023 (even then we hit the draft quite hard), in which case they are dismissed by the flag.

If you're on board with trading for Houston I'm not sure what your criticisms are. Is it only Schultz? Where we traded for a 24-25 year old who'll play with Nick for 7+ years. It's the Houston deal that will see us trade out of this/next draft for an older player. We traded our pick for Schultz but can get it back if we don't trade for Houston.

Had we not traded for Schultz I'm sure we'd be putting our first round and F1 on the table for Houston anyway, having the younger Schultz as well is a better outcome.

I thought you were pushing for an alternative list building approach, ie. that we should have cut older players and tanked for a couple of years to hit the draft. It seems like your fine with the approach we're taking, hitting the draft as well as trading and FA, you just disagree with one or two moves.

I guess you could say that last line is true, and I don't like the consensus spoken in here re trading vs drafting a team long term.
I'm hoping Flys comments were limited to this year and not perpetually looking to trade out.
Also you do realise Schultz was 26yo (is 27 next month), not 24-25, not against him coming in only the "desperation" cost to acquire of it (which has been doen ro death).

Over paying in direct trades imo eventually leads to an overall weakening of the list.

2 for 1 or even 3 for 1.
Trading out of future drafts also has hurt us, its made the gamble not only on a player but on an entire years results and draft horde.

We are hitting the draft in years where our first picks are high teens early 20s, and have lost picks in years we have high end picks. Save for FS saving us.

When I look at the talent coming through I just don't feel, that theres enough of it going to be that real upper end talent at AFL level.

 

[Jen2310]

Jake Niall is a big Pies fan. Whole family is.

his brother used to be jordy's manager before jordy went rogue lol

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

If we do win the 2025 premiership, I would like Kane, Niall, Edmund, McClure,and any other frequent pie bashing journalists to be locked in a room with leppa.

Put them in a room with the supporters

 

[gouki88]

Barry Mitchell? Is that how it went? I don''t recall.

Ah a certain N.Buckley?

So not within the last 30 years? Excellent!

 

[danielnajdek]

Good bye sweet prince (Future 1st).

 

[TradeDraft]

He isnt nominating anyone. It will be whomever can get a deal done

Doing best for Port by having a Bidding War with 2 of the Biggest Clubs in the AFL

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

Don't they need points for TWO Camporeales?

That would also be part of the equation

They will go at pick 40 and 60. So they won't need much.

 

[Ugene41]

I guess the language being spoken is we are looking to try do it regularly moving forward.

We have also wasted opportunities in past with over paying trades, trading out future picks early and receiving unders etc.
Overall weakening our draft hands in those years.

Absolutely agree that whenever we've traded out (ie Grundy, Treloar, Stephenson, Henry) or in (Beams, Schultz) big name players in recent times we've been reamed. I'd argue that Schultz wasn't even a big name and we somehow traded for him like he's Houston. We've done very well with the moneyball trades.

This trade period is hopefully different as it sounds like Leppa might actually push hard on our trade bait players like Noble/Richards. If we can turn F1, Noble, Richards into Houston, we've definitely ended up on the right side of the trade equation this time.

 

[Kilmo]

All the journos are conveniently ignoring the fact our future first is up for grabs because of McGuane.

They are also forgetting that we got Nick Daicos and he is only 21.

We have drafted in the first round seven times in the last six drafts, including 2023 (HDM), 2022 (Allan), 2021 (Daicos), 2020 (Henry, Macrae, McInnes), and 2018 (Quaynor). If McGuane keeps tracking the way he has been we may still draft in the first round in 2025 even if we get Houston. What more do they want?

2019 was the only year we did not, which was admittedly bad because of the disastrous Beams trade. But you can also top up on young talent via trade, as Geelong did with Henry, and we did bringing in the (then 22-year-old) Bobby Hill and the (then 23-year-old). And trading for experienced players like Perryman and Houston is actually a good way to avoid a leadership vacuum after Pendles, Steele and co retire.

We don't need to get caught up in this moral panic.

 

[Pistol Night]

Doing best for Port by having a Bidding War with 2 of the Biggest Clubs in the AFL

We’ve got the whip hand because we have best 22 players that want to go to Port and GC. The leverage is all in our favour

 

[Mollythedolly]

If we do win the 2025 premiership, I would like Kane, Niall, Edmund, McClure,and any other frequent pie bashing journalists to be locked in a room with leppa.

What’s Leppa ever done to deserve such punishment?

 

[stormskye]

Good bye sweet prince (Future 1st).

It’s not gone

 

[Seedsfan]

Barry Mitchell? Is that how it went? I don''t recall.

I thought he came and didn’t deliver so we got rid of him. Irony he was meant to be the missing piece we needed to win a flag, then his boy comes to us exactly 30 years later and delivers where his dad couldn’t

 

[Scodog10]

I'm not sure if this contradicts his own reporting this morning or of this is the "Dan Houston wants to play for Carlton AND (or) Collingwood"

It’s kind of a moot point what Carlton are offering for 13 if Cameron, and by extension GC, are true to their word by dealing with Collingwood as the priority* on the basis of wanting to get the Noble trade done. Edmund doing his best nahnah impersonation and attempting to will it into existence. As an extension of all this how does the Noble trade get done if GC move 13 elsewhere?

*paraphrasing because I can’t remember the exact wording.

 

[gerryg400]

That Carlton offer has the potential to be really poor, especially with all the academy picks next year.

Even if it’s accepted and Carlton end up with 13, how do they get Houston. They still only have 1 first round pick available for trade. They need to use this years 2nd to trade into next year because they must have a 1st or 2nd next year.

If Pies get it they will have 13 plus Joey as a starting point.

 

[unplugged]

Need Leppa to walk in there and remind GCS that we've never poached a single one of their players other than Henry Schade

Henry Schade

Age

31

Ht

197cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.7

3star

K

6.3

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

3.9

4star

T

1.5

3star

MG

172.3

3star

No current season stats available

D

10.2

3star

K

5.2

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

2.4

4star

MG

135.0

3star

!

Meanwhile they've had Josh Fraser

Josh Fraser

Age

42

Ht

202cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

8.7

3star

HB

5.4

4star

CL

2.5

4star

HO

11.8

5star

No current season stats available

D

9.4

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

2.8

3star

HO

8.6

5star

, Danny Stanley

Danny Stanley

Age

36

Ht

186cm

Wt

95kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.1

5star

K

9.6

4star

HB

9.5

5star

M

4.6

4star

T

3.1

5star

G

0.4

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.6

3star

K

5.6

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.0

1star

, Sam Iles

Sam Iles

Age

39

Ht

185cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.0

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

8.6

5star

M

4.1

4star

T

2.4

4star

CL

1.6

4star

No current season stats available

D

10.6

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.2

3star

, Jarrod Witts

28

Jarrod Witts

Age

32

Ht

209cm

Wt

110kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.2

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

5.8

4star

CL

3.3

5star

HO

31.8

5star

D

10.8

3star

K

5.9

2star

HB

4.9

3star

CL

3.4

4star

HO

29.5

5star

D

7.8

2star

K

4.2

2star

HB

3.6

3star

CL

0.4

3star

HO

8.0

5star

and soon to be JFN.

Not to mention the complete charity that was that Witts trade.

 

[Mollythedolly]

Now’s the time for Houston to put his hand up and nominate Collingwood!

Prefer he waits till we’ve got the Noble trade locked away. He nominates us and GC know we’re under pressure for pick 13.

 

[Scodog10]

Has this actually happened previously?

Never and won’t on this occasion! Could you imagine what we’d ask for in that scenario from Carlton?

 

[NMBB]

I think Port will only deal with us now.
They said as much.

We're letting their list manager wear a prison bars jumper to trade week - they're rapt - they love us

 

[Bianconeri]

How would we feel if we got houston, he played the year with us and then requested a trade to carlton when they can get a better deal done? lol
Would be a carlton thing to suggest to him.

Carlton can give us McKay and two firsts then

 

[BEEG]

Houston playing this smart.

If he nominates a club that can usually piss everyone off.

Let them work it out behind the scenes.

 

[stormskye]

How would we feel if we got houston, he played the year with us and then requested a trade to carlton when they can get a better deal done? lol
Would be a carlton thing to suggest to him.

Why would he request a trade after winning the 2025 flag?

 

[Jen2310]

Would be nice if we had a bidding war for our picks once lol