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[Tarkyn_24]

This is the order for me:

1. Sullivan
2. Long
3. Macrae.

1. Sullivan had a lot of nearly moments - clean collect, but not quite getting it out - might just be a matter of adjusting to the tempo.
2. Long I don't know - looked hesitant to me - might just be the confidence to attack the footy at that level rather than being too focussed on his tackling strength or he might just be too slow of body and mind.
3. Macrae - can't see it at all

I just don’t really see it at all with Sullivan.

Long I thought was great in the Sydney game. Though that late season good performance has burned me before, Macrae against Essendon in 2023 for instance.

 

[Apex36]

He has the height to play as a defender, only issue is, is he willing to add more size to play as a defender.
Collingwood may want him to play as a defender, but if he doesn't want to add more size or if he thinks there are clubs out there who are open to giving him a chance to continue as a fwd , he may end up choosing to reject any contract offer put to him from Collingwood.

Bolded is a myth. Nathan Murphy’s playing weight was 90kg. Reefs playing weight is 90kg. 2cm difference in height so barely anything in it.

While Reef could potentially put on a few more kilos of muscle, he’s already where he needs to be if he plays the position correctly.

 

[sr36]

I just don’t really see it at all with Sullivan.

Long I thought was great in the Sydney game. Though that late season good performance has burned me before, Macrae against Essendon in 2023 for instance.

I think all 3 are long shots and not great depth. I would have only kept one of them.

 

[Matt_352]

Any love fot Tom Clurey? Same height as Tomlison but about 6 months younger, played all of his career in defence. Good spolier and third man up.

As for Long, I thought he showed a bit in his first few games, with another pre-season and year ahead, he'll learn our systems and structures, something he wouldn't have known at all after being picked up.
Him and Allan, both at 194 could become the big bodied mid, they are both very young and can be easily moulded.

Clurey makes Tomlinson look like Silvagni

 

[PIEWITHSAUCE]

This is the order for me:

1. Sullivan
2. Long
3. Macrae.

1. Sullivan had a lot of nearly moments - clean collect, but not quite getting it out - might just be a matter of adjusting to the tempo.
2. Long I don't know - looked hesitant to me - might just be the confidence to attack the footy at that level rather than being too focussed on his tackling strength or he might just be too slow of body and mind.
3. Macrae - can't see it at all

Agreed. These decisions would be easy if Fin and Ash were out of contract.

 

[partypie]

As for Long, I thought he showed a bit in his first few games, with another pre-season and year ahead, he'll learn our systems and structures, something he wouldn't have known at all after being picked up.

Problem with Long imo is that he has looked a bit off the pace at the top level, hasn't shown any noticeable burst speed or agility to compliment his strength and doesn't appear to have much in the way of top end speed.

He might just be your your prototype bigger bodied midfielder with endurance who is perfect for state league footy, just looks a bit slow at AFL level.

 

[sr36]

Agreed. These decisions would be easy if Fin and Ash were out of contract.

It's clearly not the done thing, but if it was y'=ou'd pay them out and replace them with a couple of rookie list players more likely to eihter offer good depth or more likely to have a long term future. Might not be contractually allowed either, as when it is done there is always talk of it being a mutual decision between player and club - like with Clurey.

It wouldn't cost anything in salary cap either this year - as you're paying them anyway, and could move back to 36 and 6 with the replacements rookie salaries not inluded in the cap.

 

[Scodog10]

I can't see it with him, but admittedly I thought the same about Murphy.

He along with Markov have become the poster boy on here for Lazorous list comebacks. There’s a bunch right on a knife’s edge with the club (because their fate is being left late) who will only survive because of a lack of viable alternatives. Whether that’s a dearth of quality draft picks or in the case of Dean/ Reef a player sticking with their current club (Keane), but their admirers still believe. For me Long, Reef, Macrae, AJ, Sullivan and Dean would be gone most other years. It’s a lot of meh to be carrying on a contending list with the potential for Steene and Ryan to tip into that territory if they haven’t already…

 

[tmpies01]

I think Long filled a hole this year when we were at our worst with injuries. Assuming we are healthy next year, and with our new recruits, I can’t see Long adding anything to the side.
I expect him to be the unlucky one and Reef survives.

 

[Jen2310]

I think Long filled a hole this year when we were at our worst with injuries. Assuming we are healthy next year, and with our new recruits, I can’t see Long adding anything to the side.
I expect him to be the unlucky one and Reef survives.

Cant just assume anything. Injuries happen, and they'll happen again. Thats just footy, so he's handy to have as depth with someone his size.

 

[Daicosian silk]

In 3 years time, none of Checkers, McStay and Membrey are likely to be still playing. And we have no one else. Need to draft at least a couple of young KPFs over the next 2 years

 

[Pistol Night]

In 3 years time, none of Checkers, McStay and Membrey are likely to be still playing. And we have no one else. Need to draft at least a couple of young KPFs over the next 2 years

Not sure about that. A lot of forwards play until 34-35. I do agree we definitely need a plan for the future with KPFs though

 

[Jen2310]

In 3 years time, none of Checkers, McStay and Membrey are likely to be still playing. And we have no one else. Need to draft at least a couple of young KPFs over the next 2 years

Which is the plan, why Leppa said they want to focus on talls.

 

[sr36]

He along with Markov have become the poster boy on here for Lazorous list comebacks. There’s a bunch right on a knife’s edge with the club (because their fate is being left late) who will only survive because of a lack of viable alternatives. Whether that’s a dearth of quality draft picks or in the case of Dean/ Reef a player sticking with their current club (Keane), but their admirers still believe. For me Long, Reef, Macrae, AJ, Sullivan and Dean would be gone most other years. It’s a lot of meh to be carrying on a contending list with the potential for Steene and Ryan to tip into that territory if they haven’t already…

Tend to agree.

Murphy was lightning striking. He suddenly became one of the best in the league in terms of judgement and timing to go with being one of the best in terms of commitment to the contest. And Markov was the fastest ever recorded player for a fair few years.

Reef is the one who could possibly develop, but it's a long shot.

 

[Jen2310]

Not sure about that. A lot of forwards play until 34-35. I do agree we definitely need a plan for the future with KPFs though

You'd hope we have some young KPP's within 3 years, as the last thing you want is to be playing multiple players in their mid 30's, reminds me of when Darling/Kennedy (especially this one) were cooked at the same time.

 

[soreplums]

So he obviously hasn't watched McStay play.

He’ll win the Coleman next year

 

[stormskye]

In 3 years time, none of Checkers, McStay and Membrey are likely to be still playing. And we have no one else. Need to draft at least a couple of young KPFs over the next 2 years

2 of them we’ve traded in (or are about to)

 

[Apex36]

Cant just assume anything. Injuries happen, and they'll happen again. Thats just footy, so he's handy to have as depth with someone his size.

Even if injuries happen, we’ve added depth in the position by recruiting Perryman and we’ll be looking to try to get games in to Allan too now that he’s ready for it.
I don’t see a spot for Long, even as depth.

 

[gouki88]

In 3 years time, none of Checkers, McStay and Membrey are likely to be still playing. And we have no one else. Need to draft at least a couple of young KPFs over the next 2 years

This isn't really true. McStay should absolutely still be playing, and I think Membrey could be. Checkers I will concede. I would imagine drafting talls is a priority. Whether they turn out any good...

 

[sam_e]

Bolded is a myth. Nathan Murphy’s playing weight was 90kg. Reefs playing weight is 90kg. 2cm difference in height so barely anything in it.

While Reef could potentially put on a few more kilos of muscle, he’s already where he needs to be if he plays the position correctly.

exactly. if anything, he could potentially drop some weight (muscle) if he's trying to improve his endurance.

 

[sideswipe]

exactly. if anything, he could potentially drop some weight (muscle) if he's trying to improve his endurance.

I'm not even sure it is endurance per se for Reef - he seems to blow so quickly(after only a few efforts) that it seems like his anaerobic threshold is shizen. Whilst he might benefit from longer running to get the base, to me it looks like he really needs to do a shedload of threshold work. To learn to how to hurt himself. And repeat.

 

[sr36]

I'm not even sure it is endurance per se for Reef - he seems to blow so quickly(after only a few efforts) that it seems like his aerobic threshold is shizen. Whilst he might benefit from longer running to get the base, to me it looks like he really needs to do a shedload of threshold work. To learn to how to hurt himself. And repeat.

In primary schools one of the popular projects is self propelled car races. Kids make cars propelled by things like rubber bands, springs, balloons, etc. He's a balloon car. Starts well but then runs out of air and needs to be blown up to start again. The rubber band cars usually win.

 

[Forethought]

In 3 years time, none of Checkers, McStay and Membrey are likely to be still playing. And we have no one else. Need to draft at least a couple of young KPFs over the next 2 years

I see us using the UFA or RFA as the likely place for one of these to be replaced with and that giving time to a younger drafted forward that as shown take basically 3 yrs to bear fruit

 

[Jen2310]

 

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