List Mgmt. Our Trade/FA, Suburban & Country Town Thread

[JLC]

Pre or post premiership?

Edit: must have been post.

This season - in terms of expendables.

 

[sr36]

It did happen a few years back with Cameron Delaney/Geelong/North Melbourne: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameron_Delaney_(footballer)
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I can't think of any others.

How many have gone on to play good footy after being delisted and drafted by their club?

Dylan Moore and Lachie Schultz. Any others?

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

Anyone think given that footage of Reef/Dean/Long training together a few weeks back, that they knew they were gonna be given a contract? Or is it just a coincidence?

Well Jen..we both thought that at the time, didn't we

 

[JLC]

Probably because the idea of us getting trade value for a player who was already traded for peanuts, then delisted then only picked up by us as a last minute LTI replacement, is madness.

Kreugs sounds like such a solid citizen and is perfectly suited to our game style that I reckon he gets another contract.

I would trade Johnson and Noble. Possibly Reef and Ryan (if the deals were right).

Delist Markov. Can we delist Begg?

Any news re Cox and whether he possibly retires given his injuries?

That was my exact post.

 

[JuniorB]

The bloke has sacrificed being a 30-40 touch a game Brownlow winner to be a 20-25 touch workhorse shovelling it out to the Daicos boys, Crisp etc. I know hes getting on but fully fit hes extremely important to our midfield mix

He looks absolutely ripped at the moment, so I don't think it's wise to discount his role in 2025.
He's ultra-professional about his preparation - he's in the Pendles/Nick class in that regard.

 

[Apex36]

It did happen a few years back with Cameron Delaney/Geelong/North Melbourne: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameron_Delaney_(footballer)
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I can't think of any others.

We took Henry Schade from GC in the rookie draft after they delisted him and committed to re-drafting him.

 

[JuniorB]

We took Henry Schade from GC in the rookie draft after they delisted him and committed to re-drafting him.

The question that comes to mind is "Why?".

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

The question that comes to mind is "Why?".

I was about to ask “who?”

 

[Apex36]

The question that comes to mind is "Why?".

So a certain poster with an emperor penguin as a profile pic could claim he was Jon Pattons long lost twin brother.

IYKYK.

 

[Apex36]

I was about to ask “who?”

Your memory must be deteriorating in your old age.

 

[35Daicos]

How many have gone on to play good footy after being delisted and drafted by their club?

Dylan Moore and Lachie Schultz. Any others?

I suspect there's a few others, but can't think of any names at the moment!

 

[sam_e]

I re-did the math

With our 30 + 3 recruits (Houston, Perryman, Membrey) = thats 33.
Add in 3 draftees thats 36 the max (if we have a full rookie list)
If we re-rookie Ash and Markov, we will have the max on the rookie list (6) so wont have anymore room for other recruits

Yep, 36/6/2

Senior:
34 currently including Perryman & Houston
32 AJ & Markov delisted to be re-rookied
35 +3 'freshies' at the draft
36 +1 Membrey as UFA

+ 6 catA rookies
i. Sully ii. Dean iii. Long iv. Smit v. AJ^^ vi. Markov^^

So 36+6 = 42 Senior /catA

+2 CatB (Parker, Condon)

^^ If either Oleg / AJ rookied by another club before our pick, it opens up an additional rookie spot for us

If HH LTI’d, Tomlinson to potentially be picked up via SSP in 2025

 

[sam_e]

Rookie base wage isn't part of the salary cap. So having 36 and 6 rookies is better than 38 and 4 rookies. Small salary cap saving.

does this saving apply given they both have senior contracts - which will need to be honoured - regardless of them sitting on a rookie list?

 

[sr36]

does this saving apply given they both have senior contracts - which will need to be honoured - regardless of them sitting on a rookie list?

They're not contracted to a list. It's why clubs can do this.

AFL doesn't differentiate between different cat A rookie list players. If they're on the rookie list, the rookie list rules apply.

 

[sam_e]

They're not contracted to a list. It's why clubs can do this.

AFL doesn't differentiate between different cat A rookie list players. If they're on the rookie list, the rookie list rules apply.

why didn't /doesn't richmond delist & re-rookie Lynch's $1.5m pa salary (for remaining term) to create massive capacity in their salary cap ..not that they need it at this juncture but you get the point ..?

ps: are you saying, per rookie list rules, all catA rooks salaries are excluded in toto from club's salary cap?

 

[Masked Magician]

why didn't /doesn't richmond delist & re-rookie Lynch's $1.5m pa salary (for remaining term) to create massive capacity in their salary cap ..not that they need it at this juncture but you get the point ..?

ps: are you saying, per rookie list rules, all catA rooks salaries are excluded in toto from club's salary cap?

Only 80-100k of the rookie contract is outside the cap

 

[PIEWITHSAUCE]

The bloke has sacrificed being a 30-40 touch a game Brownlow winner to be a 20-25 touch workhorse shovelling it out to the Daicos boys, Crisp etc. I know hes getting on but fully fit hes extremely important to our midfield mix

The only thing that worries me about Mitch is he said that post the op he had (cutting the plantar fascia) that it'll never feel the same and that he was really having a time of it adjusting . Maybe it's just time that's required and he'll be fine but he did seem to be a bit unsure on the outlook for it.

 

[sam_e]

Only 80-100k of the rookie contract is outside the cap

got it ..thanks

 

[sr36]

why didn't /doesn't richmond delist & re-rookie Lynch's $1.5m pa salary (for remaining term) to create massive capacity in their salary cap ..not that they need it at this juncture but you get the point ..?

ps: are you saying, per rookie list rules, all catA rooks salaries are excluded in toto from club's salary cap?

Just the base wage is excluded. So it makes no difference how big the bloke's salary is. Anything over base wage goes on to the salary cap.

 

[Geek]

Yep, 36/6/2

Senior:
34 currently including Perryman & Houston
32 AJ & Markov delisted to be re-rookied
35 +3 'freshies' at the draft
36 +1 Membrey as UFA

+ 6 catA rookies
i. Sully ii. Dean iii. Long iv. Smit v. AJ^^ vi. Markov^^

So 36+6 = 42 Senior /catA

+2 CatB (Parker, Condon)

^^ If either Oleg / AJ rookied by another club before our pick, it opens up an additional rookie spot for us

If HH LTI’d, Tomlinson to potentially be picked up via SSP in 2025

1 of those 'freshies' taken in the draft might come from our rookie list. We therefore would only need to take 2 newbies in the draft and would have an open spot on the rookie list for an SSP.

It gives us some flexibility. We can choose this path if there's nothing left that we like in the ND after taking out first 2 players. But we can still take the preferred route if it turns out that there are still 3 skinny SA flankers available on the board

 

[Apex36]

why didn't /doesn't richmond delist & re-rookie Lynch's $1.5m pa salary (for remaining term) to create massive capacity in their salary cap ..not that they need it at this juncture but you get the point ..?

ps: are you saying, per rookie list rules, all catA rooks salaries are excluded in toto from club's salary cap?

Base rookie salary is excluded, so $100k. Pointless for Richmond to do it.

 

[Quicky]

Rayner and Jordy weren't fit enough to play more than part time midfield within their first 5 years, Rayner still isn't. Rankin too. Petracca - 5 years was about when he was.

THey didn't need to play midfield to be highly rated players. The difference is that they were gun forwards, without much endurance. Reef at the moment is a mediocre player, without much endurance.

Defence wouldn't be a bad move for Reef. He's quick, tall, decent at ground level and strong overhead. There are some transferable qualities. No idea how he actually defends, reads the play from defence, holds positional structure so would be a bit to learn/assess. We need someone post Howe so there's a role there soon.

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

Base rookie salary is excluded, so $100k. Pointless for Richmond to do it.

I imagine Richmond will also be trying hard to get up to the minimum 95% of the cap spend now so they wouldn't be actively choosing to make list manoeuvres that are designed purely for salary cap manipulation.

 

[Forethought]

We actually need AJ and Markov to be rookied or we get zero savings. They were both contracted for 2025 so if they aren’t rookied we have to pay out their 2025 contract. If they are rookied and their 2025 contract was say $300k we would save the $100k from the rookie pool but still have to pay them the $200k remaining on their contract.

 

[Jen2310]

We actually need AJ and Markov to be rookied or we get zero savings. They were both contracted for 2025 so if they aren’t rookied we have to pay out their 2025 contract. If they are rookied and their 2025 contract was say $300k we would save the $100k from the rookie pool but still have to pay them the $200k remaining on their contract.

I imagine if they get picked up elsewhere, said club would pay their contracts. We would only pay if we pay them out