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sam_e said:
watch the current Melb v Gee game and tell me what you think of Caleb Windsor (#6 for Melb), recruited at pick 7 in last year's (2023) draft. Kid is (will be) a jet, playing his 7th game in his first year.

We didn't have pick 7 but my point still stands ..he will be important for their run, on the dry grounds, come finals time. And he'll be a 200 gamer.

Choose one: him or Shooter?
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Windsor is the exception NOT the rule.
For every Windsor there are 10 high picks, that won’t have his career.
 

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sr36 said:
Yes, a simple games played measure isn't very accurate, you've got to somehow evaluate quality of games for draft picks versus recruits - god knows how you do it when we can't yet accurately evaluate or agree on a players contribution to success.

I don't agree with you on the Cats example. When they were in our position, with some genuine stars with a fair bit ahead of them, they were trading out first round picks for mature players to stay up.

I would love us to be able to do what the Cats did with Ollie and Bruhn, but I think that's peculiar to Geelong. They've got the Falcons factory. Years of wooing kids. So when Ollie and Bruhn requested trades, it was Geelong or nothing, which changes the whole trade dynamic. When we were chasing Adams and Treloar, it's was for them to return to Vic - thete were other clubs part of the conversation so it effects the trade price.

My comment was more in defence of our drafting and the suggestion that we shouldn't be having misses in tat range.
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The difference though with Geelong was that they got good value through their trades. They basically traded in Dangerfield and Cameron for not much more than what we paid for Schultz. That's a completely different class of player and I'd happily trade first rounders in that instance whether we're in the premiership window or not.

Similarly, they get full value when they trade out even wantaway uncontacted players like Tim Kelly and Ratugolea. Whereas we give away our players whether they are contracted salary dumps (Treloar, Stephenson, Grundy), contracted wanted players (Adams, Ginnivan) or uncontacted wanted players (Henry). There's always some reason we get unders.

This gives them enough draft capital to have multiple shots at hitting that late first round talent like Holmes and Sam De Koning. Or having the draft capital to trade for a gun KPF like Jeremy Cameron. Meanwhile we're handicapped on both fronts and makes regenerating on the run much harder. Our only trump card is having Naicos whereas Geelong will be highly unlikely to draft such a generational talent with their strategy.
 
Ugene41 said:
The difference though with Geelong was that they got good value through their trades. They basically traded in Dangerfield and Cameron for not much more than what we paid for Schultz. That's a completely different class of player and I'd happily trade first rounders in that instance whether we're in the premiership window or not.
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Caddy, Stanley, Henderson, Tuohy (bloody good player and worth every cent) GAJ's return - all those went for picks in the teens - first round picks for a Geelong team in contention trying to stay that way.
 
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Ugene41 said:
The difference though with Geelong was that they got good value through their trades. They basically traded in Dangerfield and Cameron for not much more than what we paid for Schultz. That's a completely different class of player and I'd happily trade first rounders in that instance whether we're in the premiership window or not.

Similarly, they get full value when they trade out even wantaway uncontacted players like Tim Kelly and Ratugolea. Whereas we give away our players whether they are contracted salary dumps (Treloar, Stephenson, Grundy), contracted wanted players (Adams, Ginnivan) or uncontacted wanted players (Henry). There's always some reason we get unders.

This gives them enough draft capital to have multiple shots at hitting that late first round talent like Holmes and Sam De Koning. Or having the draft capital to trade for a gun KPF like Jeremy Cameron. Meanwhile we're handicapped on both fronts and makes regenerating on the run much harder. Our only trump card is having Naicos whereas Geelong will be highly unlikely to draft such a generational talent with their strategy.
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No need for the hyperbole.

Dangerfield & P50 for P9, P28, & Dean Gore

Cameron, F2nd (P32), F2nd (P35) for P13, P15, P20, & F4th

Neither close to the Schultz trade.
 

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Jen2310 said:
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All Draper did was vocalise an open industry secret. They're the givens and I reckon there will be more who leave unless Bevo is sacked. What we see is probably a fraction of the musical chairs and other party games that take place.

They'll have to replenish their list so I expect them to be busy. The Only problem is that nobody wants to go there.

The Dogs aren't popular with agents, either.
 
Ugene41 said:
The difference though with Geelong was that they got good value through their trades. They basically traded in Dangerfield and Cameron for not much more than what we paid for Schultz. That's a completely different class of player and I'd happily trade first rounders in that instance whether we're in the premiership window or not.

Similarly, they get full value when they trade out even wantaway uncontacted players like Tim Kelly and Ratugolea. Whereas we give away our players whether they are contracted salary dumps (Treloar, Stephenson, Grundy), contracted wanted players (Adams, Ginnivan) or uncontacted wanted players (Henry). There's always some reason we get unders.

This gives them enough draft capital to have multiple shots at hitting that late first round talent like Holmes and Sam De Koning. Or having the draft capital to trade for a gun KPF like Jeremy Cameron. Meanwhile we're handicapped on both fronts and makes regenerating on the run much harder. Our only trump card is having Naicos whereas Geelong will be highly unlikely to draft such a generational talent with their strategy.
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Both Cameron and Dangerfield were both out of contract , both restricted free agents.
 
sr36 said:
In a one off game. But 4 finals in a row for our oldies would be a big ask. Top 4 please.
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yeah, there is a reason why its only happened once in the last few decades (dogs, 2016) Its very hard to do. Especially if you have to play interstate
 
sr36 said:
Caddy, Stanley, Henderson, Tuohy (bloody good player and worth every cent) GAJ's return - all those went for picks in the teens - first round picks for a Geelong team in contention trying to stay that way.
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Geelong are a curious case. There’s a lot of meh amongst all those trades and as you said the system is designed to advantage them through the Falcons.

IMO, Touhy has been a good contributor and Henry will be for a decade to come, but the only reason they’ve stayed up has been Danger and Cameron. If we managed to land Young (did anyone watch yesterday’s game??) and say JUH over the next few years regardless of every other pick being just about burned over a 10 year period we’d be fine.

FWIW Shoota will produce at least what Touhy has barring injury, IMO.
 
Scodog10 said:
Geelong are a curious case. There’s a lot of meh amongst all those trades and as you said the system is designed to advantage them through the Falcons.

IMO, Touhy has been a good contributor and Henry will be for a decade to come, but the only reason they’ve stayed up has been Danger and Cameron. If we managed to land Young (did anyone watch yesterday’s game??) and say JUH over the next few years regardless of every other pick being just about burned over a 10 year period we’d be fine.

FWIW Shoota will produce at least what Touhy has barring injury, IMO.
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Their coaching and either their development or drafting is off the charts good.

Outstanding cheap as chips defence. Outstanding cheap as chips small forwards.
 
Bailey Dale sure would be a nice get if he was available
 
Pleasedontfail11 said:
I was very upset at trading the future pick 2 for a couple picks in the 20-30 range. I thought it was a move by the club to cover up the disaster of losing Treloar, Stephenson and Philips for next to nothing with a few shiny draft picks/ players.
It ended up being a worse trade than what we got for the players we lost in 2020.
So I agree I don't like to trade future picks either.
However I feel that there is an exception, which is being in the premiership window. I feel we made the right call to bring Schultz in and when we try to bring players in we try to do the right thing and not stuff around and just get the trade done. We did that.
Could it back fire? Sure could. However premiers usually finish in the top 6 teams the following year and if that happens then we have payed fair price in my eyes.
You disagree and fair enough.
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I saw some statistics produced by someone from RMIT, and one interesting stat that stuck out was; if a team gets smashed in the finals the chances of ending towards the bottom of the ladder in the following year increases.

As I remember we were demolished by Geelong in the finals.
 

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