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Thrawn said:
A lot of them are strictly vegans apparently, and they find it 'immoral' to use any product coming from any animal, yes, including meat, milk, cheese, the works.

Ah yes....vegans....as Anthony Bourdain put it, vegans are the Hezzbollah of vegetarians. I actually knew a few vegans who refused to eat bread because they considered yeast to be a living animal.
 

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What is it with celebs and PETA? Bloody Pammy Anderson is campaiging for PETA against KFC (or Kentucky Fried Cruelty as she would put it) for their 'cruel' treatment of chickens. It's almost laughable really. Celebs aren't really smart enough to do anything else.
 
3rdEchelon said:
What is it with celebs and PETA? Bloody Pammy Anderson is campaiging for PETA against KFC (or Kentucky Fried Cruelty as she would put it) for their 'cruel' treatment of chickens. It's almost laughable really. Celebs aren't really smart enough to do anything else.

My theory with celebrities is that for most of them, they don't believe they exist unless they see their own faces in the media.

I also reckon that they know that the public believe that their only skill is to read out whatever lines they're told to. So they try to prove to the public that they're more than just human puppets by jumping onto whatever high profile cause will take them on. There is also an element of conceit in that they probably think that if they support a cause, their blindly adoring fans will support that cause.

However, as Jim Schemberi pointed out in a recent article in the Age, all the Hollywood support for John Kerry didn't win him the US election, and just because you have all the biggest names in Hollywood starring in a movie, it won't guarantee that it will become a blockbuster.
 
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=23827

Shun Aussie sheep: US activists urge
16:41 AEDT Wed Dec 1 2004


American animal rights activists have launched a campaign in Los Angeles, urging a boycott of Australian merino wool products in a bid to pressure the Australian government to stop the "torture" of sheep.

The campaign, which has already had significant success with American fashion retailer Abercrombie & Fitch dropping Australian wool from its clothing line, could put a large hole in Australia's exports to the US.

The Virginia-based People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) plans to blitz four Australian consulates in the US, as well as the Australian embassy in Washington DC, with protests over the next month.

The group wants the Australian government to stop the export of live animals and also objects to sheep undergoing mulesing.
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Theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyreeeeeeeeee baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack

Just annoys me when people take a holier than thou attitude when it personally doesnt offend them. Let it go people nothing will change. If the RSCPA thought it was a bad practice dont you think they would be prosecuting?
 
PerthCrow said:
If the RSCPA thought it was a bad practice dont you think they would be prosecuting?


BBBWWWAAAAHHHAAAHHHHAAA the RSPCA are too busy persecuting innocent dogs & playing politics to worry about actual cases of animal cruelty. :(
 
PerthCrow said:
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=23827

Shun Aussie sheep: US activists urge
16:41 AEDT Wed Dec 1 2004


American animal rights activists have launched a campaign in Los Angeles, urging a boycott of Australian merino wool products in a bid to pressure the Australian government to stop the "torture" of sheep.

The campaign, which has already had significant success with American fashion retailer Abercrombie & Fitch dropping Australian wool from its clothing line, could put a large hole in Australia's exports to the US.

The Virginia-based People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) plans to blitz four Australian consulates in the US, as well as the Australian embassy in Washington DC, with protests over the next month.

The group wants the Australian government to stop the export of live animals and also objects to sheep undergoing mulesing.
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Theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyreeeeeeeeee baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack

Just annoys me when people take a holier than thou attitude when it personally doesnt offend them. Let it go people nothing will change. If the RSCPA thought it was a bad practice dont you think they would be prosecuting?

I hope those in PETA's targets stand firm against PETA. How can you back down against them??? They are just acting like a spoiled brat who don't get what they ask for and people should see this.
 
This is only the beginning. Someone has to stand up to the evil trade of live export and other practices of animal cruelty that is such an embarrassment for Australia worldwide. Would love to see more companies ban Australian wool, and it will happen.
 
Birdy said:
This is only the beginning. Someone has to stand up to the evil trade of live export and other practices of animal cruelty that is such an embarrassment for Australia worldwide. Would love to see more companies ban Australian wool, and it will happen.

Evil trade? Embarassment? You are a joke.
 

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Birdy said:
Then you are a greedy and cold hearted scumbag.
I would rather be greedy and cold hearted than a moralistic self serving double standard un-Australian.


The sheep are going to die.. what does it matter if they die here or live a few more weeks longer? It is not an embarrasment to Australia ..look around and log onto google and search for livestock trade..EVERY country does it.
 
PerthCrow said:
I would rather be greedy and cold hearted than a moralistic self serving double standard un-Australian.
So animal cruelty is what it is to be Australian? If that was the case I would be proudly un-Australian, however I know that isn't the case and so do the other 75% of Australians who oppose live export.

The sheep are going to die.. what does it matter if they die here or live a few more weeks longer? It is not an embarrasment to Australia ..look around and log onto google and search for livestock trade..EVERY country does it.
Do you know what they go through in those few more weeks or months? Sounds like you have no idea. They are crammed in to filthy disease ridden ships where during the voyage thousands die a slow and painful death. Sick and injured animals and thrown into mincers or fed to the sharks while they are still alive. The extreme weather conditions, heat stress, dehydration, disease, all make for a fun trip.

When the survivors reach their destination they find themselves in barbaric and immorral Muslim cultures that are not subject to humane slaughter regulations. They are taken off the ship, stuffed into the boot of cars or on trucks and are taken to back street markets where they have their throats slit while still conscious and are often hung up and skinned while still alive.
 
Birdy said:
So animal cruelty is what it is to be Australian? If that was the case I would be proudly un-Australian, however I know that isn't the case and so do the other 75% of Australians who oppose live export.

So if you dont mules they die a slower more painful death from flyinfested @rseholes... isnt that cruel?

Do you know what they go through in those few more weeks or months? Sounds like you have no idea. They are crammed in to filthy disease ridden ships where during the voyage thousands die a slow and painful death. Sick and injured animals and thrown into mincers or fed to the sharks while they are still alive. The extreme weather conditions, heat stress, dehydration, disease, all make for a fun trip.

I am assuming this is based on one 60 minutes show you happened to see or personal experience? I cant say too much about where I work but lets say yes I have a vested interest., so I asked my bosses and the vets at work and one in particular has been to the Saudi region and his first comment that those werent Aussie sheep in that 60 minutes segment. He also said that the conditions arent that fantastic but that the vets on board the boats do what they can. Until you come up with a culturally viable alternative..(culturally means tnhey have to arrive alive) or have had first hand experience dont talk rot.
When the survivors reach their destination they find themselves in barbaric and immorral Muslim cultures that are not subject to humane slaughter regulations. They are taken off the ship, stuffed into the boot of cars or on trucks and are taken to back street markets where they have their throats slit while still conscious and are often hung up and skinned while still alive.
Sounds very very racist that paragraph. ''immoral Muslim culture'' by whose standard? Yours? Christians dont inherit piety just by being christian. They are not our concern once they get there. We produce yellowcake so by your argument the countries we sell it to must have the same standards as us? Get a firm grip girlie.

Please dont associate the sheep you see on board as the same little lambykins you read in Mother Goose. They are farmed for one purpose. Enjoy your sunday roast Birdy..it was a lamb once


BAAAA BAAAA
 
Birdy said:
When the survivors reach their destination they find themselves in barbaric and immorral Muslim cultures that are not subject to humane slaughter regulations. They are taken off the ship, stuffed into the boot of cars or on trucks and are taken to back street markets where they have their throats slit while still conscious and are often hung up and skinned while still alive.

So Muslims are barbaric and immoral because they slit the throats of live animals? I'd hate to tell you this, but people from all over the world have been slitting the throats of animals for food for the best part of the last few thousand years.

The thing about many Western cultures these days is that we don't slaughter our own animals for food - we buy it in nicely shrink wrapped packages in the supermarket. But for the rest of the world, keeping, feeding, and finally slaughtering live animals is a part of every day life.
 
notenoughteams said:
They might or might not win the live sheep trade argument. Logic does say slaughter here facing towards mecca if necessary.

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There is (or was) an islamic abattoir in Melbourne that was doing export mutton and lamb, there is no need to export live sheep. Where are they going to get the sheep otherwise? The EU and NZ I don't think support it which leave the America's which I don't think have a huge amount of sheep.

Just off the topic but thier was a story in the Guardian about a group of shieks who came to one of Londons top hotels and somehow got a sheep and a BBQ into one of the Suites, slaughtered the Sheep in the bath tub and fired up the BBQ in the room.......
 
Birdy said:
When the survivors reach their destination they find themselves in barbaric and immorral Muslim cultures that are not subject to humane slaughter regulations. They are taken off the ship, stuffed into the boot of cars or on trucks and are taken to back street markets where they have their throats slit while still conscious and are often hung up and skinned while still alive.

No... Islam permits the killing of animals for food, clothing and control but I believe the religion is against needless suffering. That said, if you are so compassionate about the suffering on animals, why don't you argue against the use of glue traps? Essentially snare traps, it takes days for the animal to die. I've seen how they work, it's horrible, and it is certainly worse than what you were proposing. I think they're banned in Australia. But still, if you are so sympathetic... you should be also concerned about other issues as well.

Mulesing cannot compare, I'm afraid.
 
Qsaint said:
There is (or was) an islamic abattoir in Melbourne that was doing export mutton and lamb, there is no need to export live sheep.
I think it may of closed, because of pressure from the 'community'.
 
Birdy said:
So animal cruelty is what it is to be Australian? If that was the case I would be proudly un-Australian, however I know that isn't the case and so do the other 75% of Australians who oppose live export.


Do you know what they go through in those few more weeks or months? Sounds like you have no idea. They are crammed in to filthy disease ridden ships where during the voyage thousands die a slow and painful death. Sick and injured animals and thrown into mincers or fed to the sharks while they are still alive. The extreme weather conditions, heat stress, dehydration, disease, all make for a fun trip.

When the survivors reach their destination they find themselves in barbaric and immorral Muslim cultures that are not subject to humane slaughter regulations. They are taken off the ship, stuffed into the boot of cars or on trucks and are taken to back street markets where they have their throats slit while still conscious and are often hung up and skinned while still alive.

Here we go again - barbaric, immoral. More overkill in your descriptions.
 
3rdEchelon said:
Here we go again - barbaric, immoral. More overkill in your descriptions.

Well, I'd certainly think it's bad to skin them *alive*. Don't you? Besides, there is a reason why they slit their throats in the first place. That isn't barbaric or cruel, in fact, I'd say it's humane.
 
As for what I believe about the live export - granted they are killed humanely and are treated as well as possible (up to welfare standards at least), I have no problem with this issue. I think the most important aspect of this is that if an animal is to be killed, it should be done in the quickest and least painful way as possible. That I hope everyone here can agree to.
 

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