Pass mark for each club in 2013

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jonbe54 said:
Damn!!! There goes my reply button again. what's wrong with this bloody site lately??

Qoute : There is something incredibly persecution complex-ish about continually blaming umpires, isn't there?

For Essendon, I would say winning a final is the pass mark. unquote.

Agreed Doss the mark of a champion side is one that doesn't need a fair run with the umps to get over the line.
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Winning on the road. Winning without your best side out there. Winning a man down. Never dropping out of games.
It's belief. Mental toughness.

IMHO it's that that separates the mediocre from the good, than actual ability.
 

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BluesMan said:
You have to set achievable goals to improve as a side.
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Ding-ding.

Case in point: Brisbane between 2009-10.

Vossy probably thought they were closely than they were, and their trading that off-season reflected that.

Brisbane's 2009 season was good, but good enough to really indicate a flag tilt in 2010 was a realistic possibility? In my opinion, and I suspect most others- NO.

Note, this isn't a shot at Voss, I think since those mistakes he has recognised his error and has definitely started to steer them in the right direction again.
 
Randy Campbell said:
Could this be the reason the Bulldogs have only won one Flag?
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Don't be obtuse. It's clear to everyone that the Dogs in their current state won't be a contender.

Their historical lack of success comes down more to being a poorly-resourced club.
 
Randy Campbell said:
Could this be the reason the Bulldogs have only won one Flag?
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no. only a few years ago they were definitely gunning for flags.

to say each one of the 18 teams is only concerned with winning the flag each year is just plain wrong.

all this 'ultimate prize, second place is the first loser' stuff is just macho posturing.

of course every team wants to win the flag each year, but working within your limitations to eventually be in a place to challenge is hardly self crippling.

in fact, running your club to breaking point to stretch a premiership window and 'reach the ultimate prize' can be just as damaging, and there is plenty of evidence of this in recent history.
 
Top 4 - Flag : Collingwood, Hawthorn, Sydney

Top 4 - GF : Adelaide, West Coast, Fremantle

Top 8 - PF : Geelong, Carlton, Essendon

Top 8 - SF : Brisbane Lions, North Melbourne, Richmond, St. Kilda

10 Wins : Melbourne, Port Adelaide, Western Bulldogs

5 Wins : Gold Coast, GWS Giants
 

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Geelong are spruiking everywhere they are good enough to win the flag.
Which they also did the day before Freo spanked them in an elimination Final at the G.
They've topped up and now a top 8 finish is a pass mark. FFS gimme a break.
If they don't finish top 2 they will have failed.

Flag - Swans, Hawks, WC, Pies, Cats, Freo, Crows,
Top 4 - Carlton, Essendon, Tiges, North, Brisbane
Top 8 - Saints,
cometitive all year: GC, GWS, Melb, Port, Dogs
 
barmy44 said:
no. only a few years ago they were definitely gunning for flags.

to say each one of the 18 teams is only concerned with winning the flag each year is just plain wrong.

all this 'ultimate prize, second place is the first loser' stuff is just macho posturing.

of course every team wants to win the flag each year, but working within your limitations to eventually be in a place to challenge is hardly self crippling.

in fact, running your club to breaking point to stretch a premiership window and 'reach the ultimate prize' can be just as damaging, and there is plenty of evidence of this in recent history.
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To me having a pass mark that is not wining the Grand Final lets you feel good about not winning or even accepting failure. Which in turn can affect the culture of your club. I know not every club can win the Grand Final but it does not mean you have to concede and accept it.


If you work within your assumed limitations you are limiting what you could achieve, there is plenty of evidenced in recent history of the underdog wining.
 
Randy Campbell said:
To me having a pass mark that is not wining the Grand Final lets you feel good about not winning or even accepting failure. Which in turn can affect the culture of your club. I know not every club can win the Grand Final but it does not mean you have to concede and accept it.


If you work within your assumed limitations you are limiting what you could achieve, there is plenty of evidenced in recent history of the underdog wining.
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On the other side of the coin and a problem that seems quite prevalent 'today' is that if we are not realistic in what we set our goals to be and they are then not achieved and we fail the fall out from that can really have a negative impact and 'it's all too hard' attitude sets in and a negative mentality starts to pervade everything whereas Setting realistic goals and achieving them has shown to to be far better in the long term for marked improvements. Clubs that are in the bottom half of the 8 have to set goals based around improving on the number of wins they had in 2012, mid-range clubs such as bombers, carlton, essendon etc. have to set a goal of finishing inside the 8, those in the bottom half of the 8 it's finishing top 4 because whether we like it or not everything points to having to finish top four to win a grand final and of course for those finishing top 4 the goal is to stay there and then of course win a grand final.

Unrealistic goals achieves nothing
 
Randy Campbell said:
To me having a pass mark that is not wining the Grand Final lets you feel good about not winning or even accepting failure. Which in turn can affect the culture of your club. I know not every club can win the Grand Final but it does not mean you have to concede and accept it.

If you work within your assumed limitations you are limiting what you could achieve, there is plenty of evidenced in recent history of the underdog wining.
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So if GWS aimed for 10 wins in 2013, and just achieved that, that would be a bad thing for the culture of their club? Setting a goal, well ahead of public expectation, and achieving that, is a bad thing?
Much better for GWS to set themselves to win the flag and then be bitterly disappointed when they don't.

And also, this thread is not about actual clubs internal expectations. Pass marks from fans are interesting to read. And that's all most of us here are, fans...what we consider a 'pass mark' has no impact on the club culture.
 
Sydney must improve to win another flag, and the club knows this. One of the most non-complacent teams in the league, expect them to come out as hungry as ever for another taste of the ultimate success.

Pass mark for Sydney in 2013 = back to back.
 
HappyChappy35 said:
The reason I would consider anything less than a premiership a fail for the Hawks is because you were the best team in 2012 (the Grand Final aside) and will be in 2013 IMO, not to mention the fact you are at the peak of your powers. Collingwood, on the other hand, bombed out in a Prelim this year and won a flag as recently as two years ago. As for the Swans, winning back-to-back flags is very, very difficult, so I'm not sure why anything less than a flag is a fail for them.

My other teams thing is tongue-in-cheek, and has no relevance or bearing whatsoever on my opinion of a 'pass mark' for Hawthorn next season (which is a premiership, and I'd bet that many Hawks supporters would agree with me). Be thankful I didn't change my avatar or my team to Sydney like some other Cats posters did.
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No they weren't
 
Failure for every club equals not winning the premiership, but taking the softer line to it.....

ADELAIDE: Winning the first game after everything that has happened and will happen, then finishing Top 6

BRISBANE: 10 Home State wins, winning both Clashes and making Top 8

CARLTON: Top 6, and at least making it to week 2 of finals

COLLINGWOOD: Top 4 if not Premiership, finding a ruckman to back up and eventually succeed Jolly

ESSENDON: Top 6, no more than 3 players suffering medium to long term soft tissue (hamstring) injuries.

FREMANTLE: 10 Home State wins, at least a split in the Derbies, and Top 4

GEELONG: Top 4 with whom they've recruited in terms of experienced hands, and zero Kardinia Park defeats

GOLD COAST: 5 Home ground wins, at least a split in the Clashes, someone other than Ablett to get 30 touches more than once in the season, and any finish from 7-14.

GREATER WESTERN SYDNEY: 5 Wins (anywhere), no more than 2 triple figure defeats (none above 20 goals), getting within 5 goals of Sydney in either Battle

HAWTHORN: Premiership

MELBOURNE: Avoiding heavy punishment for alleged 2009 events, 8 Wins anywhere, positive MCG home game record (6 or more wins)

NORTH MELBOURNE: Top 8, 3 wins away from Victoria and Tasmania

PORT ADELAIDE: Keeping the doors open for the 2014 move to the Adelaide Oval, Avoiding bottom 4, 3 wins away from SA

RICHMOND: Top 8, beating Gold Coast in Cairns (just to shut the media up for 5 minutes at least), make it to week 2 of finals

ST.KILDA: Top 8, winning as many games away from Docklands as they do under the roof

SYDNEY: Premiership, winning both Battles by more than 8 goals, filling the Olympic Stadium for a regular season game

WEST COAST: Premiership, 10 wins in WA, at least a split in the Derbies, having no more off field dramas after what happened today

BULLDOGS: Avoiding Bottom 4, getting more than 30000 members by more than 1500
 

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