Traded Patrick Dangerfield [traded w/ pick 50 to Geelong for 9, 28 and Gore]

[Blue By Blood]

Gut feel says that he is leaving now. I mean I can't understand why you wouldn't just announce you were going to stay if you had already made your mind up to. It would reduce the pressure on his own performance, stop the media speculation, and reduce the pressure off his teammates too who are no doubt getting sick of being asked about his contract.

On the other hand, no player is going to come out and say they are leaving as a FA at the end of the year because then they face being dropped from the team/and or put their current team in an awkward position about playing for wins or planning for a future without him in it.

 

[marty36]

Gut feel says that he is leaving now. I mean I can't understand why you wouldn't just announce you were going to stay if you had already made your mind up to. It would reduce the pressure on his own performance, stop the media speculation, and reduce the pressure off his teammates too who are no doubt getting sick of being asked about his contract.

On the other hand, no player is going to come out and say they are leaving as a FA at the end of the year because then they face being dropped from the team/and or put their current team in an awkward position about playing for wins or planning for a future without him in it.

How can he announce he is leaving or staying?

He isnt going to say Im staying and not be aware of what Adelaide has to offer, they could offer peanuts then he has to back pedal at a million miles per hour

If he has chosen another club he will first want to know that its a surity and Adelaide wont stuff him up and match the offer being an RFA, forcing him to stay or go in the PSD. Along with being aware what that clubs offer is also and I know no one has matched an offer but lets be honest thats been in 3 years it will happen sooner or later.

Would you tell everyone your changing jobs firstly if you dont know your contract and secondly is there anything with your exsisting employer stopping from you having a clear path to that employer. lastly he really cant nominate another club at this time of the year without any backlash.

So I simply cant see him nominating any club at this point in time.

 

[Blue By Blood]

How can he announce he is leaving or staying?

He isnt going to say Im staying and not be aware of what Adelaide has to offer, they could offer peanuts then he has to back pedal at a million miles per hour

If he has chosen another club he will first want to know that its a surity and Adelaide wont stuff him up and match the offer being an RFA, forcing him to stay or go in the PSD. Along with being aware what that clubs offer is also and I know no one has matched an offer but lets be honest thats been in 3 years it will happen sooner or later.

Would you tell everyone your changing jobs firstly if you dont know your contract and secondly is there anything with your exsisting employer stopping from you having a clear path to that employer. lastly he really cant nominate another club at this time of the year without any backlash.

So I simply cant see him nominating any club at this point in time.

I'm sure he would have had an offer put to him from both Adelaide and Geelong and I guarantee they wouldn't be for peanuts.

Also I highly doubt that any club would match a FA offer if they know the players heart isn't in it and if he doesn't want to be there. It would open up a can of worms and the players association would be all over it as 'restraint of trade' even though there's no rule against it.

If he came out and said he was staying at the Crows then he would not get any backlash. He would be seen as a loyal and genuine guy and have praise heaped upon him. It would only make him look better and endear himself to the fans and fellow players even more.

The one thing I think is valid that you raise is the uncertainty of who will be coach next year, I didn't think of that initially but that's certainly a fair reason to hold off making a decision.

 

[Iva Bigun]

Moggs to Melbourne in 90 minutes? Good luck with that....

Not by helicopter

 

[marty36]

I'm sure he would have had an offer put to him from both Adelaide and Geelong and I guarantee they wouldn't be for peanuts.

Also I highly doubt that any club would match a FA offer if they know the players heart isn't in it and if he doesn't want to be there. It would open up a can of worms and the players association would be all over it as 'restraint of trade' even though there's no rule against it.

If he came out and said he was staying at the Crows then he would not get any backlash. He would be seen as a loyal and genuine guy and have praise heaped upon him. It would only make him look better and endear himself to the fans and fellow players even more.

The one thing I think is valid that you raise is the uncertainty of who will be coach next year, I didn't think of that initially but that's certainly a fair reason to hold off making a decision.

As for the AFLPA and the AFL they are the ones that created the RFA rule so wouldnt dare say they wouldnt say anything about the rule they created unless they forgot how they agreed upon and created it! It wouldnt get to the stage of them having to match as PD will want to know where ever he is going there cant be a device that can stop this from occuring so the deal will have to be agreed upon prior to any announcement so one 100% guarantee is to trade or their is a risk involved and I would doubt PD is a risk type of guy.

As for backlash I suggested if he was going anywhere but Adelaide .

I agree on the coaching position though.

 

[Unknown Identity]

Hmmm.

Players under 23 with AFL experience: Collingwood - 15, Geelong - 14

Aren't Collingwood supposed to be the benchmark for getting youngsters into the team? We don't seem to be going too badly.

Don't want to derail the thread too much..

But i'd much rather our youth than yours.

Adams, Broomhead, Crisp, DeGoey, Elliott, Grundy, Kennedy, Langdon, Maynard, Moore, Oxley, Ramsay, Williams, Witts (Freeman and Scharenberg yet to debut)

vs.

Bews, Caddy, Cockatoo, Gore, Gregson, Guthrie, Horlin-Smith, Kersten, Kolodjashnij, Lang, Luxford, McCarthy, Thurlow, Walker

There is a 3-4 year period of being a 10-13th team coming based on your age profile unless there is significant improvement from this group, not sure a Dangerfield is enough to get you in finals contention, possibly next year without any retirements of your older brigade, but the following year you could lose 800-1000 games experience in one hit.

 

[cswOTLS]

Sorry if it's been mentioned already, but all you have to do is look at how the NRL have handled two of the biggest contract negotiations this season. I have no problems with him waiting until the end of the season as I don't want to see any players re-neg on any deals that have been put in front of them and they've accepted in conversation.

I was only having the chat about the uncertainty about a new coach a couple of days ago. He's not once shied away from the fact he wants to see success on how we perform this season and while he will get good money where ever he goes, it's not about that.

 

[calder_daddy]

1 hour and 40 minutes to melbourne Cbd

That rules a lot of teams in.
The fact it has been said he wants to move home it doesn't mean Moggs creek exactly.
Could move to Port Melbourne and play for

Don't want to derail the thread too much..

But i'd much rather our youth than yours.

Adams, Broomhead, Crisp, DeGoey, Elliott, Grundy, Kennedy, Langdon, Maynard, Moore, Oxley, Ramsay, Williams, Witts (Freeman and Scharenberg yet to debut)

vs.

Bews, Caddy, Cockatoo, Gore, Gregson, Guthrie, Horlin-Smith, Kersten, Kolodjashnij, Lang, Luxford, McCarthy, Thurlow, Walker

There is a 3-4 year period of being a 10-13th team coming based on your age profile unless there is significant improvement from this group, not sure a Dangerfield is enough to get you in finals contention, possibly next year without any retirements of your older brigade, but the following year you could lose 800-1000 games experience in one hit.

Menzel, Vardy, Duncan, Murdoch, Blicavs, Jansen, Motlop.

Just a few names you missed

 

[Unknown Identity]

Menzel, Vardy, Duncan, Murdoch, Blicavs, Jansen, Motlop.

Just a few names you missed

The discussion was around players under 23.

 

[Footy Smarts]

Don't want to derail the thread too much..

But i'd much rather our youth than yours.

Adams, Broomhead, Crisp, DeGoey, Elliott, Grundy, Kennedy, Langdon, Maynard, Moore, Oxley, Ramsay, Williams, Witts (Freeman and Scharenberg yet to debut)

vs.

Bews, Caddy, Cockatoo, Gore, Gregson, Guthrie, Horlin-Smith, Kersten, Kolodjashnij, Lang, Luxford, McCarthy, Thurlow, Walker

Fair enough. Collingwood's got some talented youth no doubt and I'd probably take your under 23s ahead of ours too. But it's not like Geelong's got no talented young players. Plenty of Geelong's players have shown a lot and we'd expect to get a minimum of 6 or so quality long-term players out of that lot. But we've also got a very handy group of 23 and 24 year olds (Duncan, Motlop, Murdoch, Stanley and Blicavs have all been great when available with guys like Smedts, Menzel, Vardy and Cowan possibles).

There is a 3-4 year period of being a 10-13th team coming based on your age profile unless there is significant improvement from this group, not sure a Dangerfield is enough to get you in finals contention, possibly next year without any retirements of your older brigade, but the following year you could lose 800-1000 games experience in one hit.

Every team relies on their youngsters to improve. But thankfully that's what players do. They get better with experience. But again I don't see how we're looking at 3-4 years out of finals even if we get Dangerfield. In 2 years time we'll have the following players if Dangerfield comes:

Taylor (31), Clark (29), Hawkins (29), Selwood (29), Dangerfield (27), Stanley (26), Moltop (26), Blicavs (26), Duncan (26), Murdoch (25), Guthrie (24), Caddy (24).

That's a pretty good group of experienced players. Of course that's not considering the chance of picking up Scott Selwood or Henderson who would also be in their prime and we're clearly targetting. Or the possibility that guys like Smedts, Menzel, Cowan, Vardy, Walker, Horlin-Smith, Kersten or Delaney make it who would also be in their prime by then. It also doesn't consider anyone who'd be younger than 24 at that point (Bews, Thurlow, Lang, Gregson and Cockatoo for example).

Maybe I'm biased but to me that looks like the basis of a team that should definitely be competing for top 8 in a couple of years due to having so many players in their prime.

 

[Red Bull]

So , would Adelaide swap their Dangerfield compo pick for Yarran ?

 

[marty36]

So , would Adelaide swap their Dangerfield compo pick for Yarran ?

Yeah if we match their offer under RFA rules get a 1st rounder and a quality player, you would think with two first rounders you would trade one. I would go after Aish if that was the case or maybe even Sharenberg.

 

[Red Bull]

Yeah if we match their offer under RFA rules get a 1st rounder and a quality player, you would think with two first rounders you would trade one. I would go after Aish if that was the case or maybe even Sharenberg.

You won't match the Geelong offer .
He's gone , accept it and decide what to do with the compo pick ...

 

[go_the_dockers]

So , would Adelaide swap their Dangerfield compo pick for Yarran ?

Every time I think Yarren might be a good player, I actually watch him and he reminds me the difference between his good and his bad, and how inconsistent he is.

I wouldn't offer more than a 2nd rounder for him (and I am still not convinced I would offer that - He would need to convince me he would work harder). He is a high risk, potentially high reward recruit but at 26 you have to stop talking about potential.

 

[Red Bull]

Every time I think Yarren might be a good player, I actually watch him and he reminds me the difference between his good and his bad, and how inconsistent he is.

I wouldn't offer more than a 2nd rounder for him (and I am still not convinced I would offer that - He would need to convince me he would work harder). He is a high risk, potentially high reward recruit but at 26 you have to stop talking about potential.

Definitely high risk/high reward .
I guess one thing the WA clubs have to consider is the difficulty in attracting quality players across from the eastern states .
Reckon he would love Subi ...

 

[cswOTLS]

there's no doubting Yarran's best is good, but you only see it once every 4 weeks. A change of scenery could do him wonders, but with some of the kids coming through at the moment, it is hard to see a need for the inconsistencies he dishes up.

 

[bph25]

The discussion was around players under 23.

Truthfully he difference in under 23 players is neither here or there. You know more about your kids and we know more about ours. Could still go either way.
Those next group of players 23-25 that were listed. Potential A graders and well above yours.
Looking at those facts of they happen to get in the park this puts Geelong ahead of collingwood for the next few years

 

[marty36]

You won't match the Geelong offer .
He's gone , accept it and decide what to do with the compo pick ...

Why, Roo in the paper this morning having a whinge over the FA rules and the fairness of the picks. He has the ability to ensure the offer is matched, saying this PD will not allow any risk of entering the PSD and ensure he is traded so this unknown factor of matching offers and PSD can be implimented. With Roo being a board member and PD being Roo's buisness partner in one of his pubs, dont you think discussions would have been had with PD. I have said previously Roo is uncompromising I am over confident he will ensure a trade is done by ensuring the AFC match any offer.

 

[calder_daddy]

The discussion was around players under 23.

My apologies, didn't read that

 

[RippaRiley43]

So , would Adelaide swap their Dangerfield compo pick for Yarran ?

No. He's a good (albeit inconsistent) player. But I don't care enough about getting him to part with a first rounder. Besides, we could probably get him for cheaper from you guys, considering Carlton even took Trigg off our hands

 

[Roughies Boys]

How do you guys not get that Moggs Creek is 2 hours by car to any other training venue? Reading a campaignering map for ****s sake.

Who cares. Has Dangerfield personally come out & say he'd want to live at Moggs Creek..

 

[calder_daddy]

Who cares. Has Dangerfield personally come out & say he'd want to live at Moggs Creek..

My point exactly!

 

[manboob]

More or less and I guess he didn't buy a house there for shits and giggles.

 

[Roughies Boys]

More or less and I guess he didn't buy a house there for shits and giggles.

Source please

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

So , would Adelaide swap their Dangerfield compo pick for Yarran ?

you have the stupid CEO now.