Traded Patrick Dangerfield [traded w/ pick 50 to Geelong for 9, 28 and Gore]

[BlueGibbs2011]

Danger is worth a strong first round pick 6-12 and a pick 24-30.

He is not really worth more than that due to age (25).

Danger will offer 4 very good years before declining at 29/30. 4 years with a smell of a flag for Geelong is worth a pick 6-12. That player wont be as good as danger based on odds but will play twice as long given he will have 10 years in the system.

The pick 24-30 offsets the risk factor they pick a dud.

 

[NCHammertime]

There are some Geelong fans who seem to have the misguided view that they are entitled to get PD for nothing. He is a RESTRICTED free agent and the Crows have every right to match. Football is a business and as much as Danger owes nothing to the Crows, the Crows also owe nothing to him.

And the argument that the Crows won't want to risk forcing a trade deal is stupid. Geelong supporters banging on about trading away their first pick so they have nothing to offer! Crows are risking a pick 14, while Geelong are risking PD!! It is clear who has more to lose if he goes into the draft...

 

[PAFCsince1870]

That's different though. That is a team getting something for a player and allowing them to drop further and pick up some more talent in the draft. I don't know if I hate the way the US does it more or not. At least crap teams can turn around a lot faster! And you get a lot less dynasties. Is that really a bad thing?

But couldn't have Adelaide done the same thing? Accepted pick 2 and 3, loaded up with Petracca and Brayshaw (for arguments sake) and most likely picked up a top 10 pick this year minus Dangerfield? It's the same idea - although I'm ignoring Patrick wouldn't have agreed to be traded there but it's fun to deal in hypotheticals.

Interestingly the NBA used to hand out compensation when teams lost players to free agency - until the Lakers picked up some guy called Magic Johnson with their compensation pick and they soon changed that.

 

[Prochard123]

Honestly Geelong should be looking to rebuild instead of spending so much to get Danger in the first place... It's either FA or nothing. Giving up multiple high picks will only ruin their future

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Not sure why everyone assumes if the trade fell over danger would be stuck at Carlton ...

He can nominate for the national rather than psd. Carlton would not spend pick 1 if he says he doesn't want to get there. Neither bris or GC spend pick 2 or 3 on a player that doesn't want to be there. In that case he ends up at dons / saints or Melb ...


I expect that the trade would get done though. But Geelong won't be scared of him landing anywhere else anymore then the crows are. They both have a fair interest in seeing it done.

Of course Geelong will be more scared, adelaide are only risking pick 15 and geelong are risking Dangerfield - clear which one is worth more

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

Honestly Geelong should be looking to rebuild instead of spending so much to get Danger in the first place... It's either FA or nothing. Giving up multiple high picks will only ruin their future

Too late. I think earlier in the season they decided to go for it hence the Hendo deal to accompany Danger and Selwood. They have decided to roll the dice.

Could easily backfire as they might come up short quality wise even with Danger. If the decision was made after the season finished, I'd think the Cat hierarchy would have opted for rebuild.

 

[Draft Bored]

Honestly Geelong should be looking to rebuild instead of spending so much to get Danger in the first place... It's either FA or nothing. Giving up multiple high picks will only ruin their future

Agreed. I've been saying all along they need Patty to sign a 1 year deal with the Crows and then get him for nothing next year. This is going to cost them a fortune.

Once the Crows match he will effectively have the same status as Adam Treloar (uncontracted). Collingwood are already offering a first and second round pick for him and Dangerfield is a top 3 player.

I can't see the AFL signing off on anything less than two first round picks.

 

[Go Woods]

Honestly Geelong should be looking to rebuild instead of spending so much to get Danger in the first place... It's either FA or nothing. Giving up multiple high picks will only ruin their future

What's wrong with that? Hope the Crows get 2 X 1st rounders + a starting 22 player out of them

 

[Hardhat11]

This will sound stupid ......in three years when danger is 29 -30 his body will be stuffed

Geelong won't win a flag with Dangerfield in the team ..they lose a top draft pick

This is lose lose trade ...crows lose their gun when they are on the cusp ...Geelong get a gun when they are on the slide


No one wins this trade ...Geelong are trying to top up to snare one last hurrah ....it's gone

This is a lose lose trade exchange in my view ...no one wins...bare the rest of the other 16 teams

As an Eagles fan the Adelaide oval trip now is easy .....Geelong will be year older and will slide through age

 

[manboob]

I can understand danger leaving ...the surf ...family

But I think it's a dumb ...he won't win a flag at Geelong ......Their reign of terror is over ..DANGER WILL improve Geelong but not to flag material

I get that its overcoat reasons to leave ......I think danger will be a similar outcome to Judd had at Carlton ....a quick rise then into mediocrity

Crows could have a flag with danger in the midfield in the next three years ......he's given up a flag chance

Their midfield is cooked. Danger gone. Thompson is 35. Crouch can't get on the field; who is left? Weak backline. Decent ruck but good forward line.

Cats have a forward built around Hawkins, great midfield with Danger and up and coming backline anchored by AA Q9.

 

[AM]

In the event that the Crows "lose him and get zilch" it means that (1) Adelaide matched all free agency offers, and (2) no trade could be arranged. In this situation Dangerfield must go to the national draft. It follows that if this happens then:

1. Geelong also would get zilch, and
2. As a player in the national draft Dangerfield would not then have the ability to say "I absolutely won't sign" to any club that picked him.

So in your scenario not only does Adelaide not achieve its objective (of getting the best value from Dangerfield), but also Geelong does not achieve its objective (of signing Dangerfield) nor does Dangerfield achieve his objective (of playing for Geelong). This means that Dangerfield "sticking to his guns" (if his "guns" were indeed to screw Adelaide) would not make any sense whatsoever for any of the parties involved. If Adelaide match Geelongs Free Agency offer to Dangerfield, then the best outcome after that point for all parties involved would be to get a fair trade deal done.

If he goes into the draft and says he'll only sign with the Cats there would be no good reason for any other club to pick him .Come pick 9 we do. We get Danger. Crows get zilch. That said the most likely scenario is a deal will be negotiated. But there is a risk to the Crows in matching providing Danger makes it abundantly clear to the other Melbourne clubs he won't sign with them.

 

[Suma Magic]

Is this the best player traded since Judd?

 

[BlueGibbs2011]

Geelong have been a good club to deal with over the last few years. There will be no PSD. **** people are jut deluded on how this has changed.

A deal will get done that closely compensates Adelaide.

 

[AM]

If a deal can't be realised which if he nominates the cats and crows match Geelong fail to agree to a trade. Carlton will no doubt get him he loses his FA eligibility so if he wants to get to Geelong in a year or two a trade will need to be realised. Carlton not only get a gun but also if he wants to get to Geelong in two years a trade will again need to be manufactured.

Good luck patty in getting to Moggs

Carlton could see him as a wise investment

You continue to miss the point. If Danger says he won't sign with the Blues and is adamant he won't, how would the Blues 'get him'?

 

[Hardhat11]

Their midfield is cooked. Danger gone. Thompson is 35. Crouch can't get on the field; who is left? Weak backline. Decent ruck but good forward line.

Cats have a forward built around Hawkins, great midfield with Danger and up and coming backline anchored by AA Q9.

Sorry ...Geelong midfield is cooked

They were very low in contested possessions this year ...in fact for three years Geelong has been ordinary in contested ball ...danger will help

Just watching afl 360 and mark Thomson just said what I said

It really hurts crows but actually doesn't benefit Geelong either, he doesn't believe it will make Geelong a flag winning team nor do I for that matter

I think Geelong will rise up and maybe make 5th or 6Th the slide down the table into mediocrity as blues did, the modern game isn't built on one player

...this is so similar to Judd to Carlton ...blues fans would have been thinking yup we've got the flag in our hands now Judd has arrived .......it never even got close. Judd was better on Subiaco than he was for Carlton and I think danger was suited to space at footy park and Adelaide oval .....fast tracks also. Kidd looked two yards slower as soon as he got off the plane and into a blues jumper ....Judd and danger are very similar players too

It took west coast four years to rebuild after Judd left also and I can see similar scenario for crows

OddLy look at west coast now ? Where is Carlton ? WCE got Kennedy and masten who is more than useful this year

 

[Suma Magic]

You continue to miss the point. If Danger says he won't sign with the Blues and is adamant he won't, how would the Blues 'get him'?

If a player nominates for the draft, they are agreeing to play for whoever drafts them (assuming contract conditions are met by the club).

 

[Toump Ass]

Geelong won't win a flag with Dangerfield in the team

So who wins the flag 2020?

Bulldogs and West Coast turned around their fortunes pretty quickly. Any midfield with Selwood & Dangerfield is going to be half decent. If the Cats draft a couple of decent players and manage to snag another elite talent in Free Agency they'll be competing for a while.

 

[Tigerland]

I don't think this is correct. 3 + 20 + Kennedy is better than the 2 + 19 you put on the table.

We ended up with a good deal. You guys had a better deal before they put Kennedy in the mix. Either way, Judd was going to Carlton, there was just some stuffing around to get the right deal.

That is correct. Judd chose Carlton and nobody else, there was no auction so to speak. WC may have used it as leverage and nothing more than that.

 

[Tigerland]

He's going to Geelong. It's been done for months. No other team has any chance, whatsoever.

There's little doubt about that. The question is will Geelong pay the price or be hoping for the bargain of the century.
Start praying if you want the bargain to happen.

 

[Hardhat11]

So who wins the flag 2020?

Bulldogs and West Coast turned around their fortunes pretty quickly. Any midfield with Selwood & Dangerfield is going to be half decent. If the Cats draft a couple of decent players and manage to snag another elite talent in Free Agency they'll be competing for a while.

You need midfield depth not two guns ....who wins in 2020? GWS or gcs ........dogs

Judd with murphy and Gibbs looked great on paper .....

FOR mine ...this is a lose lose trade

 

[Hardhat11]

There's little doubt about that. The question is will Geelong pay the price or be hoping for the bargain of the century.
Start praying if you want the bargain to happen.

Judd to Carlton .....fans at blues were pumped ....we've got the messiah .....Start engraving the cup now ....

Err....yeah ....nah

West coast has Kennedy and masten and are playing in a prelim at home ...who won that trade ?

 

[MotleyLemon]

You need midfield depth not two guns ....who wins in 2020? GWS or gcs ........dogs

Judd with murphy and Gibbs looked great on paper .....

FOR mine ...this is a lose lose trade

Selwood
Danger
Blicavs
Caddy
Duncan
Guthrie
Motlop
S Selwood?
Lang
Cockatoo
GHS

Not sure really what the depth issue is, J Selwood is oldest at 27...

Who do you think played midfield for us this year? SJ was forward, Bartel was the definition of a utility, Kelly played back mostly, Stokes forward...

 

[greennick]

But couldn't have Adelaide done the same thing? Accepted pick 2 and 3, loaded up with Petracca and Brayshaw (for arguments sake) and most likely picked up a top 10 pick this year minus Dangerfield? It's the same idea - although I'm ignoring Patrick wouldn't have agreed to be traded there but it's fun to deal in hypotheticals.

Interestingly the NBA used to hand out compensation when teams lost players to free agency - until the Lakers picked up some guy called Magic Johnson with their compensation pick and they soon changed that.

That's the big difference, unless they have a special clause in their contract, most teams in the US can trade any player to wherever they want.

In the NFL they still do compo picks for free agents, but they're much lower (max end of 3rd round). They also do them in the MLB and they're better than the NFL, but worse than ours and on a clear formula. There are none in the NHL, like the NBA.

 

[Hardhat11]

Selwood
Danger
Blicavs
Caddy
Duncan
Guthrie
Motlop
S Selwood?
Lang
Cockatoo
GHS

Not sure really what the depth issue is, J Selwood is oldest at 27...

Who do you think played midfield for us this year? SJ was forward, Bartel was the definition of a utility, Kelly played back mostly, Stokes forward...

Scott Selwood isn't that good ...Guthrie .....Motlop is handy, cockatoo doesn't have the gut running capacity, most indigenous players don't

Joel selwoods body and head will be stuffed by 29 ...

Sorry

 

[greennick]

Judd to Carlton .....fans at blues were pumped ....we've got the messiah .....Start engraving the cup now ....

Err....yeah ....nah

West coast has Kennedy and masten and are playing in a prelim at home ...who won that trade ?

Problem with Carlton was everything but that trade. So many of their draft picks didn't come on. Their trades were on the whole crap. Fev blew up. And they got shit coaches.

If they kept Kennedy and used that pick 3, they probably would have spudded up the pick and Kennedy wouldn't be the reigning Coleman medalist.