Paul Roos - not the messiah

[MightyHawks]

The AFL is a highly professional competition

There's a lot wrong at Melbourne and it'll take Roos longer to fix it

Caro is right (I feel dirty saying that) that he needs to commit to a third year straight out and leave open the option of staying on longer

 

[Tulip]

After an entire preseason.

I'm not saying they should be pushing for the flag - but some improvement would be nice.

Mark Neeld's reputation has been ruined by this team, and many think he is a terrible, terrible coach.

If Paul Roos after an entire summer and new game plan can't improve on Neeld's results, what was the point?

Wow, an entire summer?

 

[Tulip]

Maybe Paul Roos will prove to be a legend of the club and you're just a terrible poster. Half of that is already true.

 

[kreglze]

Have to give them time, need to remember too they have a couple of frustrating injuries and players underdone.

From the weekend I remember seeing no:

Viney
Dawes
Clark
Garland
Jamar

You put those 5 into the team and they start looking a bit more competitive. Not world beaters but it gives them an experienced key defender, a decent seasoned ruck and some decent tall options. There Inside 50's weren't deplorable, and remember them chipping it around. They lack a focal point, Dawes coming back, while I think he is rather average, at least he may bring the ball to ground and not let the defenders of the other team take easy intercept marks and rebound.

 

[quickstraw]

Biggest positive to Roos being Dees coach:

Don't have to put up with his boring, mundane, fence sitting personality on On the Coach. So bad I would prefer Walls.

 

[Blues_Man]

The best Coach in the World could not get the worst list in the comp up and winning in a couple of weeks ...this will take Years not Weeks or Months .

 

[Ted38]

Biggest positive to Roos being Dees coach:

Don't have to put up with his boring, mundane, fence sitting personality on On the Coach. So bad I would prefer Walls.

Tend to agree, I've watched his last two segments on AFL 360 and he really does come across as quite monotonous. He's one of those people that has to use 20 words to say something that he could do just as well by using 5 words. Likes the sound of his own voice me thinks.

 

[Blues_Man]

Biggest positive to Roos being Dees coach:

Don't have to put up with his boring, mundane, fence sitting personality on On the Coach. So bad I would prefer Walls.

He's one of the few people who can put me to sleep just answering one basic question .

 

[Partridge]

Biggest positive to Roos being Dees coach:

Don't have to put up with his boring, mundane, fence sitting personality on On the Coach. So bad I would prefer Walls.

How long until we get this at a Roos press conference?

Roos: I thought Goodesy was great, and Kirky, and Boltsy, and Roberts-Thomson-y.
Journo: Aren't they all Sydney players Pius Paul?
Roos: Stat's don't matter.

 

[ClashGurnseyRage]

Paul Roos is like giving miracle grow to a plant that's growing in crappy polluted soil. Probably won't help much

 

[nineteen eighty]

After an entire preseason.

I'm not saying they should be pushing for the flag - but some improvement would be nice.

Mark Neeld's reputation has been ruined by this team, and many think he is a terrible, terrible coach.

If Paul Roos after an entire summer and new game plan can't improve on Neeld's results, what was the point?

Oh well then he's had one entire preseason with them. In that case, sack him!

Seriously (and I'm not intending to sound condescending here), I gather your involvement at any level of football would be limited if you think that after one preseason he can change much. Give him until mid season before you talk him down in such a condescending manner as per your OP).

Further to that, all his key forwards are out at the moment and that would not help at all. Structure wise, that is a huge loss for the Dees.

 

[nineteen eighty]

Always thought he's been overrated... he left the industry early of his own decison, so there's that James Dean effect.

Obviously a bloody good coach though, he's gonna need a while to work on Melbourne. Waaaaaay to early to call

So he's a bloody good coach who is also overrated?

I don't think anyone thinks he's the messiah. At the Swans he was able to get the playing group playing to their optimum week in, week out. In addition, his playing style suited the Swans list at that time. This is his real test. He has some real potential guns in that team (albeit they are still kids). Whether he can get them to play that same way, time will tell.

 

[Tulip]

The Malcolm Blight comparisons are irksome because Roos is doing tons of media and club ambassadorial roles.

I was worried that he wasn't loving it, and I still worry he might leave, but he's not hiding from it.

 

[Tulip]

When the going gets tough (oh it is now) deep down the players will look at Roos and know he is not really invested in them. There for 2 years then out. If the leader is not showing the right commitment don't expect it of the players.

And if these players dare to look at the coach as the source of their faults again, he'll stare back at them and trade them off one by one. The club is stable now, a new board, a quality CEO and coach. These players have nowhere to hide. I actually like it.

My only must keeps on the list if the season ended today are:

1. Hogan
2. Jones
3. Salem
5. Toumpas
7. Viney
12. Tyson
20. Garland
24. JKH
25. McDonald

The rest of them can shape up or ship out.

 

[HBF]

Roos must surely now realise the magnitude of the job he has in front of him. Didn't really see any of the game on Sunday, but from all reports Melbourne were very very poor. This is going to take a long long time to get right, and Roos is only there for 2, maybe 3 years.

 

[Andy_Mac]

I sat through the game and have become quite objective (I believe) in my position on the list and the club as a whole.

For mine the key takeaway from the weekend was three fold;
1) The players are completely shot for any sort of confidence. AFL players do not just drop chest marks or wildly miss 1m handpasses like they did on the weekend. Simply they a just not that bad
2) We are missing 6 of our 8 best key position players including all KPF
3) And this is the big one. WCE are a very very good side. For mine they are as good as any side I've seen in the last 2-3 years. To the extent that after the game I went and loaded up on them to win the flag.

Now the list as a whole has far to many plodders, but no clubs list is perfect. If Trengove re-captures what he showed in his first year, Watts gets some continuity in his game and Salem can become a player then the makings of a good playing list are their (added to: Viney, Clark, Hogan, Tyson, Nate Jones, Toumpas, Tommy McDonald, Chip and Garland).

 

[Beth]

Im surprised Roosy was surprised by the Melbourne players fitness and endeavour on Sunday. Was he not there all summer? Next time I see him at Hunky Dory's Ill ask him. Nothing like randoms from the internet interrupting your fish and chips to incredulously be shocked at your surprise.

Roosy

 

[Modified Dog]

Last week on 360, Paul Roos said the problem with coaching Melbourne is the scoreboard. If they could just do away with those pesky details of goals and behinds, they could set about concentrating on the important things which they had control over such as the processes.

You have to wonder about the AFL's wisdom of giving Melbourne a $2 million so they could hire Paul Roos as coach for 2 seasons.
Nothing against Roosy, but I'm pretty sure they could've hired someone just as effective for one-fifth of his salary.

That's the problem with poorly-managed clubs and the debate about "equalisation". It isn't about the gap in wealth between the haves and have-nots. It's getting the poorly-managed clubs to spend their money more wisely.

 

[Scotland]

I'm starting to think Melbourne need an Ablett/Judd type player signing to turn the club around. The problem is, players like that rarely become available and they've spent all their money signing guys like Mitch Clark and Chris Dawes. Roos(y) can only do so much when the very best he has available is Nathan(y) Jones(y).

 

[JohnnyFontane90]

Last week on 360, Paul Roos said the problem with coaching Melbourne is the scoreboard. If they could just do away with those pesky details of goals and behinds, they could set about concentrating on the important things which they had control over such as the processes.

You have to wonder about the AFL's wisdom of giving Melbourne a $2 million so they could hire Paul Roos as coach for 2 seasons.
Nothing against Roosy, but I'm pretty sure they could've hired someone just as effective for one-fifth of his salary.

That's the problem with poorly-managed clubs and the debate about "equalisation". It isn't about the gap in wealth between the haves and have-nots. It's getting the poorly-managed clubs to spend their money more wisely.

nobody with any type of reputation would have accepted the melbuorne job unless there was huge $ on the line. and it had to be someone with enough goodwill built up that a 4 win season wouldn't damage it. I agree that this whole football communism thing doesn't reward the teams that are well managed like it should, but Melbourne were is such terrible shape that they either had to do that or ship the team somewhere else and start again. Melbourne pretty much killed the coaching career of mark neeld (who malthouse rates very highly).

 

[Dom PC]

He is coaching for the money. How could Melbourne offer him so much money and expect the bloke to be honest about if has the passion for coaching again. Him only committing to two years at the club should have been alarm bells right there.

 

[Scotland]

I disagree that he's just doing it for the money.

He's Paul Roos, premiership winning coach. The man who brought the flag back to the 'bloods' after 70 odd years. A hero to the masses. Etc.

I reckon he's doing it (as well as for the money) for his ego. He doesn't want to be McKenna at GC or Clarkson at Hawthorn or Hardwick at Richmond etc. and put in years of hard work to be there at the end, he wants to be Sheedy at GWS or Barassi at Sydney. The law of averages says Melbourne should get better. Eventually. Roos wants to come in, take the cash and the adulation while passing on some wisdom to Jonesy and Grimesy etc. then in 2, 3, 5 years time when Melbourne are finally not awful sit back while people say 'well they couldn't have done it without Paul Roos'. IMHO.

 

[Bluelegs]

Roos must surely now realise the magnitude of the job he has in front of him. Didn't really see any of the game on Sunday, but from all reports Melbourne were very very poor. This is going to take a long long time to get right, and Roos is only there for 2, maybe 3 years.

He did say when he took the job that the challenge was one of the most appealing things. "The worse it sounded the more excited I got" were his words from memory.

 

[cinderella man]

Biggest positive to Roos being Dees coach:

Don't have to put up with his boring, mundane, fence sitting personality on On the Coach. So bad I would prefer Walls.

Fence sitting personality ? An apt description of a Bigfooty poster that does not list a team.

 

[SM]

He's the Roosiah!