Paul Roos - not the messiah

[master bate]

I was only putting my take on why there's no pressure on Roo's not questioning Melbourne's validity in the afl. I agree the afl only exists because of all the clubs and it owes all the clubs to remain healthy.

There's no pressure on Roos because he's taken a 2 win team to 4 wins and now 6 wins and could get some more. Damien Hardwick had a similar progression at Richmond and last time I checked the ladder the Tigers are doing pretty well.

I'm all for more attacking football but we now have a talent base capable of it. Hogan and Garlett are our most dangerous forwards by the length of the Flemington straight. Both have 32 goals. No one else has more than 10. We've got some other forwards on the list who will come in to the side and we will add some pace and skill around the ground. When that happens we will play more attacking footy.

 

[Swan4Life]

This is the ultimate BF yo-yo thread.

 

[RedLegs#5]

He's done a very good job already. Took over the hardest job in football, and is slowly but surely transforming the club (not just side, but club). Legendary coach. We're lucky to have him.

 

[tonk]

Going well

 

[Sprout]

The difference being if the club didn't do something about it's own situation then it would've been goodbye, other than a few mil from the Sanfl the rest has been down to the club.

lol

A few million? $9 million to be exact. That's AFL handout money, to be clear. The grant from the SANFL was funded by an AFL loan - http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...th-handouts-to-port-crows-20110630-1gsip.html

But yeah nah. Port did it all themselves

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

He's done a very good job already. Took over the hardest job in football, and is slowly but surely transforming the club (not just side, but club). Legendary coach. We're lucky to have him.

I don't know if this is correct.

Hard to know what's happening off-field, but onfield it looks like just more of the same without so many 100 point beltings.

 

[SunshineBoy]

There's no pressure on Roos because he's taken a 2 win team to 4 wins and now 6 wins and could get some more. Damien Hardwick had a similar progression at Richmond and last time I checked the ladder the Tigers are doing pretty well.

I'm all for more attacking football but we now have a talent base capable of it. Hogan and Garlett are our most dangerous forwards by the length of the Flemington straight. Both have 32 goals. No one else has more than 10. We've got some other forwards on the list who will come in to the side and we will add some pace and skill around the ground. When that happens we will play more attacking footy.

Really, Hardwick rookie coach when he took over the worst team since Fitzroy, Roos coaching messiah when he took over a team with great young talent, and you compare tHeir results ?

I'm sure Dimma did better in his first and second years but hey that's only an opinion.

 

[Ian Dunross]

Melbourne is significantly more competitive this year than any year since 2000. That can't be over stated and Roos has inspired a lot of confidence. Goodwin will inherit something he can really work with. I was not super hopeful of the appointment but I thin Roos was worth it.

In 2010 they beat, then drew with the Premier to be.

No comparison.

 

[00Stinger]

Really, Hardwick rookie coach when he took over the worst team since Fitzroy, Roos coaching messiah when he took over a team with great young talent, and you compare tHeir results ?

I'm sure Dimma did better in his first and second years but hey that's only an opinion.

Melbourne were statistically as bad as Firzroy when he took over. We won 2 games in 2013 and between 2012-2013 only won 2 games that wasnt against GWS or GC

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[SunshineBoy]

Melbourne were statistically as bad as Firzroy when he took over. We won 2 games in 2013 and between 2012-2013 only won 2 games that wasnt against GWS or GC

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Ok we might agree on that, now part two is one is a rookie coach , the other the coaching messiah. How does his record with Melbourne stack up? Dean Bailey and Mark neeld have better records and one of them was instructed to lose.

 

[00Stinger]

Ok we might agree on that, now part two is one is a rookie coach , the other the coaching messiah. How does his record with Melbourne stack up? Dean Bailey and Mark neeld have better records and one of them was instructed to lose.

Please do some research before you talk shit.

Mark Neeld went 4-18 in 2012 & 1-11 in 2013. His record was not as good as Roos and to be fair Roos is still trying to fix the shit that was caused by Neeld.
Bailey should never have been sacked imo, so you won't hear me paying him out.

Did anyone really think that we would go from Fitzroy-esk to flying up the ladder with 2 years? It was always a 3 year project and we have made steady improvement over the last 24 months, so why don't we wait until the end of next year before we judge him rather than opening this same thread up every two weeks

 

[Marc_Remillard]

We're currently the worst team in the comp, or at least level with Brisbane.

 

[DemonZombie_001]

Melbourne are the worst team in the league right now. And, for me, I don't want the club to have a Priority Pick or any more hand outs. I don't think the club does either.

From 2008 to 2013 the team had been gutted by some extremely poor decisions, we all know that to be true and that blame is shared by Coaching Staff/Management/Recruiters. Think of the senior players that got shoved out in that period then look at your own team and think what if the same took place in your list.

So I don't know what people can really expect here, Roos took over at the end of 2013 and around 17 changes in playing personal have taken place since then. I don't think any of those had been contentious decisions either. And that is a key point, I don't see people arguing these changes (unlike the dump of senior players some years ago).

To further compound this there still needs to be around another 10 to 15 delistings, but you can't turn around 20 to 30 players in one trade period. That is some 40 percent of the playing list that are not at AFL standard.

You can watch Melbourne play and go these guys are phoning it in, no effort and no passion. But the majority of these players are in the 1st year or 2nd year of their playing career, and are cooked for the season. Ever had a trainee at your workplace, you have to do half that job and yours, that to me is what happens on field as well, and we don't have any stars just 3 or 4 solid players.

In my opinion most players need 4 years solid AFL experience before they get going, there are exceptions like Cripps for example. But for other mortal players they will struggle just like Gold Coast and GWS have.

And more importantly the really good multi winning premiership teams are made up of players that in the main all arrived at the club within a 3 to 4 year period as well. That is a positive for Melbourne (possibly).

 

[Northworth]

Melbourne is significantly more competitive this year than any year since 2000. That can't be over stated and Roos has inspired a lot of confidence. Goodwin will inherit something he can really work with. I was not super hopeful of the appointment but I thin Roos was worth it.

does seem like the club has slipped backwards in recent weeks - definitely need some more support through the midfield to help Vince/Jones

 

[Slax]

We're currently the worst team in the comp, or at least level with Brisbane.

Well the game we played a few weeks back was the worst game of the season.

 

[Sedat!]

Roos looks and sounds like an external consultant brought in to restructure an organization in disarray. He has never appeared to buy in to the Melbourne culture and history. His comments on AFL360 were telling tonight - he is always talking about 'they' and never 'we'. His comments about the place being constantly negative were also interesting - where were these discussions after the win against Geelong or Collingwood?

 

[the harry]

Roos looks and sounds like an external consultant brought in to restructure an organization in disarray. He has never appeared to buy in to the Melbourne culture and history. His comments on AFL360 were telling tonight - he is always talking about 'they' and never 'we'. His comments about the place being constantly negative were also interesting - where were these discussions after the win against Geelong or Collingwood?

Normally I'd say you were probably reading too much into it all, however this has been happening for a while now and is surely a cause for question at least, if not concern. Plus, he is still bringing up the negative history, despite having turned over half (?) the list almost.

Surely some Melbourne fans have become aware of his choice of words and aren't too thrilled?

 

[Topkent]

Nah , there are some concerns but people forget how bad we are because we have improved
The Bulldogs and stkilda weren't anywhere near as bad as us and still have quality senior players , we had to give up 2nd and 3rd round picks 3 years in a row to try and get a senior core

Honestly how many of our senior players would be in the top 10 players at another team

jones and Vince and Garlett That's it , Tyson when he's in form

Watts Howe garland Jetta lumumba Dunn Dawes M.Jones Bail jamar pederson grimes etc are all average afl players

Jetta is a brilliant shut down defender and Jack Watts is making progress but the rest are average

Now consider our most important players are already Mcdonald, Viney, Hogan, Kent, Brayshaw Salem Tyson Watts and Vandenburg and you can see why we still struggle

There all young
Add to that Frost, Petracca, Trengove and another top 3 midfielder from the draft and our core is looking ok

 

[Ando727]

Normally I'd say you were probably reading too much into it all, however this has been happening for a while now and is surely a cause for question at least, if not concern. Plus, he is still bringing up the negative history, despite having turned over half (?) the list almost.

Surely some Melbourne fans have become aware of his choice of words and aren't too thrilled?

You're right, I don't like it. Roos needs to stop talking about us like that on 360 - I'd prefer he didn't do that media stuff where he gets grilled like he does in a way that isn't on his terms. He doesn't do improvised answers well at all - always ends up looking for statements that distance himself and blame the "culture". This stuff needs to be sorted out within the club, and Roos needs to stop separating himself from the club. He speaks in a way that sounds like he's only distantly related to the club, when in fact he's been employed to change the club, be the heart of the club. Whatever we are at this point in time, Roos is a big part of it. He needs to own it and take charge of it.

 

[nineteen eighty]

You're right, I don't like it. Roos needs to stop talking about us like that on 360 - I'd prefer he didn't do that media stuff where he gets grilled like he does in a way that isn't on his terms. He doesn't do improvised answers well at all - always ends up looking for statements that distance himself and blame the "culture". This stuff needs to be sorted out within the club, and Roos needs to stop separating himself from the club. He speaks in a way that sounds like he's only distantly related to the club, when in fact he's been employed to change the club, be the heart of the club. Whatever we are at this point in time, Roos is a big part of it. He needs to own it and take charge of it.

I'm a huge Roos fan but agree with you on this point. He has to be told to stop with his media commitments for 2016 and just spend the one year concentrating fully on coaching. It has the added benefit of stopping his constant comments re Melbourne. The word "we" needs to be removed from his Lexicon. Not good enough any more to use the "we" word. He's either in or out.

 

[SonOfurX]

Roos looks and sounds like an external consultant brought in to restructure an organization in disarray. He has never appeared to buy in to the Melbourne culture and history. His comments on AFL360 were telling tonight - he is always talking about 'they' and never 'we'. His comments about the place being constantly negative were also interesting - where were these discussions after the win against Geelong or Collingwood?

If I was coaching a side like Melbourne I'd probably refer to them as 'they' as well.

 

[DemonZombie_001]

If I was Paul Roos I would probably be doing less coaching in 2016.

Isn't the whole idea of this to get Goodwin up and running ? Put more and more on his plate now, not just hand over the reigns at the end of 2016 and say lol good luck I did my bit.

Personally, I think posters need to think less about the individual and more about the role that person should be playing.

 

[Bont2Bruce]

SEN absolutely caned Melbourne management this morning. Roos and the CEO have blamed the fans for the negative stink that the club is mired in.

listen to this on Audioboo

Given that the AFL planted both Roos and the CEO at the club, it now appears that those very people have declared war on Melbourne supporters!

 

[Hap Hapablap]

bizarre reaction by Roos and the CEO. melbourne has improved though so dont understand the rage

 

[Rusty Brookes]

So the club's malaise is the fault of the diehard members that pay his salary despite the rubbish that they've been served up in the past 10 years. The people that actually put their hands in their own pockets who had every right to turn their back on the club but have shown loyalty through a dreadful period in the club's history. Get stuffed.