PC Pc Gaming/building thread

[dwwaino]

I'm not sure it's overly dangerous, their high-end kit never really made a dent so dropping it isn't a massive deal. Until they can pull ahead of Nvidia it's probably a bit of a waste to keep fighting that losing battle.

Building their brand around the low to mid market where the vast majority of users exist can help them push into the OEM space that's still largely dominated by Nvidia, and lets them put more development into a range chips that will likely also get used in consoles and portable devices. The market is ultimately going to move more towards mobility and streaming, and more of a console-type approach, and they're closer to pulling ahead there than the high-end where Nvidia's dominance is probably only going to expand due to their work in the data-centre space.

An element of danger for AMD if they go down this path is the Intel ARC range and where that heads, because that showed some promise and Intel's links to major OEMs puts them in the box seat to bundle their GPUs with other Intel products.

Dangerous wasn't the right word, more precarious of a business model. I agree with what you said, but I just worry if they've given up innovating and value in the mid range becomes their point of difference then there is nothing stopping their competition from coming with a knockout blow by matching the value with a better product. Zen 2 couldn't compete with high end Intel and it would have been a shame if they conceded then. Instead they kept on innovating. AMD's Ryzen and Radeon divisions seem leagues apart though.

The bit about aiming at OEM is apt because in the same interview with Tom's Hardware they also mentioned Intel which I think is the market they want to muscle in on.

 

[CasuallyDressed]

So for the PC savvy types.

I want to move more toward PC gaming and I have an RTX 2080. I have 64 gb of ram so that's golden, how long do people think the 2080 will be able to run modern games at a decent rate?

 

[gaskin]

So for the PC savvy types.

I want to move more toward PC gaming and I have an RTX 2080. I have 64 gb of ram so that's golden, how long do people think the 2080 will be able to run modern games at a decent rate?

Hard to say without knowing what type of games you play.

 

[dwwaino]

Need to know resolution too. The 2080 is still a solid 1080p card.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Mentioned here I'll be looking at a new gaming PC next year as we get closer to the end of Windows 10 support. Went a bit proactive with my laptop (6.5 years old, so not as old as my current gaming PC, but still doesn't officially support Windows 11) and put Linux on it (Ubuntu) because I don't want to buy a new laptop (don't use it for gaming). Have never used Linux on a daily basis before so looking forward to exploring. Will probably poke around with Steam too just to experiment a bit.

 

[sataris]

Mentioned here I'll be looking at a new gaming PC next year as we get closer to the end of Windows 10 support. Went a bit proactive with my laptop (6.5 years old, so not as old as my current gaming PC, but still doesn't officially support Windows 11) and put Linux on it (Ubuntu) because I don't want to buy a new laptop (don't use it for gaming). Have never used Linux on a daily basis before so looking forward to exploring. Will probably poke around with Steam too just to experiment a bit.

Gaming on linux is as good as it's ever been

I recommend EndeavourOS (It's arch btw) and frame.work if you're looking for a laptop

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Gaming on linux is as good as it's ever been

I recommend EndeavourOS (It's arch btw) and frame.work if you're looking for a laptop

I was actually shocked at how many games in my collection have native Linux support, and from what I understand (without looking into it much because I don't plan on gaming on it beyond a bit of experimenting), there's just a tick box or two in the Steam settings to open up more to try.

Some oddities like Dawn of War 2 having native support, but not 1 or 3. A few cases like that actually.

 

[sataris]

I was actually shocked at how many games in my collection have native Linux support, and from what I understand (without looking into it much because I don't plan on gaming on it beyond a bit of experimenting), there's just a tick box or two in the Steam settings to open up more to try.

Some oddities like Dawn of War 2 having native support, but not 1 or 3. A few cases like that actually.

You can thank Valve and Proton for that, basically it converts DirextX calls to Vulkan calls.

(I'm simplifying this a great deal). Plus compiling for linux has never been easier.

 

[dwwaino]

Sounds like AMD's shift to cater for the much bigger and mid range market is because they're actually focusing on the more profitable data centre and AI market. Like NVIDIA. And like NVIDIA they're unifying their technology in the future.

PH summarises the headlines in his latest news

 

[Chief]

Did they change much when crypto farms were hoovering up GPUs?

 

[Mantastic]

Did they change much when crypto farms were hoovering up GPUs?

Prices

 

[dwwaino]

Amongst the graphic card price memes and talk motherboard price hikes have been getting a bit of a free pass. In the time from NVIDIA's Pascal to now motherboards have typically doubled in price with the flagships triple or even quadruple. Prices have leaked for x870 and x870e and the MSI Carbon x870e for example (because I'm probably looking at MSI or Gigabyte for my next board) looks like it's going to be around $900AUD. Flagships like the Godlike will likely be $2.5k+. The x870 MSI Tomahawk currently has local placeholder prices of over $600 but the x870 is to replace the position of the b650e but it has less I/O and priced like x670. B850 won't be out until next year but we're looking at $400-500 for what would be considered "mid range" boards.

 

[dwwaino]

Sounds like the lead up to 4000 all over again and it turned out no, you didn't need a new PSU. Obviously motherboard manufacturers know something we don't though by adding an extra 8pin to the board to deliver more power to the PCIe slot. That's my early take - current hardware will require an extra 8pin to the graphics card via a supplied adaptor (like 4000 has) or if you're on a new motherboard (x870 etc) for the 5090 it will be 16pin + 8 pin to the board for more power to the slot.

GeForce RTX 5090 could ship with two 16-pin power connectors, require a new PSU

MSI described its new PSUs as ready for 'high performance,' 'high power consumption' next-gen graphics cards, will ship with two 16-pin power connectors.

www.tweaktown.com

 

[hirdylloydy1]

Need to know resolution too. The 2080 is still a solid 1080p card.

2080 can handle 2k with ease, was running my 2070 super for ages until recently and gaming at high framerates at 2k res.

 

[dwwaino]

2080 can handle 2k with ease, was running my 2070 super for ages until recently and gaming at high framerates at 2k res.

I gave my old 1080ti system to someone a few years back and he was recently playing Forza Horizon 5 on medium'ish settings with FSR on his 4K TV at decent frame rates. You really can squeeze more out of these older cards than what you think.

 

[Mantastic]

I'm surprised how much the price of peripherals has risen in the last 5 years, since my last complete refresh. I've been looking at getting a KBM setup for the Xbox in the lounge, so basically just wireless, backlit and ideally on the smaller side, and I'm starting to think I'll need to double my budget. I kinda wish companies still made those goofy all-in-one couch solutions, like the Razer Turret and the the Lapdog or whatever it was called.

 

[dwwaino]

I'm surprised how much the price of peripherals has risen in the last 5 years, since my last complete refresh. I've been looking at getting a KBM setup for the Xbox in the lounge, so basically just wireless, backlit and ideally on the smaller side, and I'm starting to think I'll need to double my budget. I kinda wish companies still made those goofy all-in-one couch solutions, like the Razer Turret and the the Lapdog or whatever it was called.

I need a new mouse. My Razer Basilisk Ultimate is 4 years old and my fingers have worn through the rubber on one side. I've looked at the cheaper options in a similar style like the g502 (don't like the mouse wheel or the feel of the clicks), rog spatha (too heavy and also feels weird) and I can't find anything similar in other brands that have the same feel or profile. So I'll have to cough up for another Razer and I noticed how much they've gone up too. Even more considering now the recharge dock is a separate purchase on top.

Their online store usually has decent sales around the black friday period so I'll have a look then.

 

[Mantastic]

I need a new mouse. My Razer Basilisk Ultimate is 4 years old and my fingers have worn through the rubber on one side. I've looked at the cheaper options in a similar style like the g502 (don't like the mouse wheel or the feel of the clicks), rog spatha (too heavy and also feels weird) and I can't find anything similar in other brands that have the same feel or profile. So I'll have to cough up for another Razer and I noticed how much they've gone up too. Even more considering now the recharge dock is a separate purchase on top.

Their online store usually has decent sales around the black friday period so I'll have a look then.

The Basilisk was one I was looking at. I kind of assumed I'd have no trouble getting what I was looking for for about $200 for a pair, but I probably won't get much change from that just for the mouse. I think I might take this opportunity to try out an enthusiast keyboard brand, since the economics makes sense now.

 

[dav3]

I need a new mouse. My Razer Basilisk Ultimate is 4 years old and my fingers have worn through the rubber on one side. I've looked at the cheaper options in a similar style like the g502 (don't like the mouse wheel or the feel of the clicks), rog spatha (too heavy and also feels weird) and I can't find anything similar in other brands that have the same feel or profile. So I'll have to cough up for another Razer and I noticed how much they've gone up too. Even more considering now the recharge dock is a separate purchase on top.

Their online store usually has decent sales around the black friday period so I'll have a look then.

I think Prime Day is coming up soon too

 

[dwwaino]

I think Prime Day is coming up soon too

8-9 October. Will be definitely keeping an eye out on a few things. Recently there was an awesome deal on 4tb Western Digital sn850x SSDs and I'm regretting I didn't jump on it.

 

[Mantastic]

Waiting for Prime day makes the most sense but I want to play Age of Mythology on the couch now

 

[dwwaino]

According to Kopite (historically the most reliable leaker but still just rumours) there will be a huge gap between 5090 and 5080 this time. If true then the 5080 is basically half the 5090. It leaves heaps of room for a 5080ti but the rumoured bus for that tier of card is disappointing.

 

[dwwaino]

Anyone watched the Gamer's Nexus Intel factory tour? It's really good and some fantastic production value. That's the kind of stuff I like, not just some talking heads dribbling on for 30 minutes.

 

[hirdylloydy1]

Anyone watched the Gamer's Nexus Intel factory tour? It's really good and some fantastic production value. That's the kind of stuff I like, not just some talking heads dribbling on for 30 minutes.

I went off gamers nexus when he did " testing " to prove the the PS5 is the same as a gtx 1060. The testing was so flawed it made me realise this guy is a fool

 

[dwwaino]

I went off gamers nexus when he did " testing " to prove the the PS5 is the same as a gtx 1060. The testing was so flawed it made me realise this guy is a fool

They've tried to be a sort of A Current Affair channel which doesn't really interest me. The EK waterblock stuff was bad but I don't care enough to follow it, and I think they've done more good by being the reason ASUS had to update their warranty and QC as well as forcing improvements in case design, but the constant covering of drama isn't my thing. Using their popularity to improve things is actually good. The Intel fab tour was just a really cool thing to watch with really good production. With my own job I've been in a lot of plant rooms and service automation but looking at silicon chip manufacturing like that is something I've never seen before and would now love to see more of.

I think this goes back to the discussion not far back in this thread at how disappointing it is to see publications like Anandtech go away. They were good sources of objective information and YouTube has taken over with personalities before information. I still think GN is the best with their depth of reviews but they search for drama to generate their content. Then LTT shouldn't even be followed anymore because they're proven paid shills, HUB are disingenuous and hostile to anybody who has ever disagreed. I'll use channels like Paul's Hardware and Jayz to give me a summary of headlines without too many opinions and a couple others that I find objective if I don't understand something but the state of tech coverage on YouTube despite there being more of it is actually really poor.