PF1 - Hawthorn vs Geelong

[HenrikLundqvist]

BOM saying heavy rain and high winds now on Friday nite.

Nothing like a hard fought counter with passions flaring in horrendous conditions between two teams that I hate.

All the while knowing that the purple haze looms around the corner.

 

[The GOAT]

The Geelong Football Club has won the past 11 matches against the Hawthorn Football club.
Let's look at what we know about the previous encounters.

I'll be tipping Geelong. I'd advise all of you to visit Sports Bet and have a good hard look. Geelong are $2.90. A proven finals team with an 11 game streak over the opposition.

I would wait, Geelong are only going to drift out further (and have been drifting all week).

 

[Holy Rioli]

Chris Scott thinking about how to best go about limiting Nathan Fyfe's influence.

Easy...let him have the ball...worst disposal efficiency in the comp for someone who averages more than 15 disposal a game.

 

[hawkman]

BOM saying heavy rain and high winds now on Friday nite.

Really? This is from the BOM website for Friday

Melbourne area
Partly cloudy. Scattered showers in the morning and early afternoon. Winds west to northwesterly 20 to 30 km/h tending west to southwesterly early in the morning then becoming west to northwesterly and light in the evening.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Nothing like a hard fought counter with passions flaring in horrendous conditions between two teams that I hate.

All the while knowing that the purple haze looms around the corner.

Excuse me while I kiss the sky

 

[Hawkk]

Really? This is from the BOM website for Friday

Melbourne area
Partly cloudy. Scattered showers in the morning and early afternoon. Winds west to northwesterly 20 to 30 km/h tending west to southwesterly early in the morning then becoming west to northwesterly and light in the evening.

Some of the posters in this thread are bizarre. Evidently the weather forecast has consistently been 1mm-5mm, typically in the morning.

But hey, least the Pies are still in the race

 

[Righteo]

Easy...let him have the ball...worst disposal efficiency in the comp for someone who averages more than 15 disposal a game.

Yep, was an absolute liability against Geelong.

 

[maryjames]

Y

Hawks will smash us on Friday.

It's hawthorn we are talking about here. Cats are primed.

 

[vonn]

I guess in a sense I shouldn't be ignoring precedent, but I just feel Hawthorn have that extra burning drive after coming so close last year and are fresher.

Hawthorn by 13.

 

[Gavin Excell]

impression get from Geelong fans I know is that it will be a Herculian task now to beat Hawks.

Looks grim

 

[Leather Poisoning]

impression get from Geelong fans I know is that it will be a Herculian task now to beat Hawks.

Looks grim

Wh Herculean now? Because of enright confirmed as an out?

 

[augnp]

The contract that has been on hold since the end of July which evidently is clearly no more of an issue this week as it was when he kicked 4/5 goals against Collingwood and North Melbourne? Nothing has changed for more than a month other than the fact that everyone outside the AFL inner circle is all the wiser to the stalemate.



Do you really think a hyped up fictitious curse is going to play on the minds of players when the stakes are this high? A fact that is not well known is that Geelong has been placed higher than Hawthorn in 5/9 (discounting the 2009 and 2013 round 1 games). Its really only been since 2012 that Hawthorn has been a better side than Geelong and if anything Hawthorn did admirably to compete so vigorously with an opponent that was clearly superior to them in all sorts of ways in the 2009, 2010 and 2011 periods.



As per above. We're talking 1mm-5mm!

Notwithstanding that the impact of the weather will likely be negligible.



Nothing raised will influence the bounce of the ball...

Yes it will play on the minds of players, the 2011 Qualifying Final was a high stakes game and do you really think the rest of the home and away games would not have been thought of as high stake games? Mention the curse word to any Hawks player and see the reaction, Hodge was a prime example on radio the other day. Realistically i think this curse crap is the only thing that will beat the Hawks, there arses will be winking all night.

As a neutral i don't think the Hawks have been a better side than the Cats.. Score board would agree with me.

Geelong defeats Hawthorn
Saturday, 6th July 2013

Hawthorn defeated by Geelong
Monday, 1st April 2013

Hawthorn defeated by Geelong
Friday, 3rd August 2012

Geelong defeats Hawthorn
Monday, 9th April 2012

 

[Hawkk]

Geelong was a far better side than Hawthorn in 2011

We lost all our games against Geelong and Collingwood, the Cats won all their games against the Hawks and Pies. It's only been since 2012 that you could really argue that Hawthorn have been the better side. That said, I would argue that we were clearly a better side than them in 2012...would you disagree?

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Are we there yet?

 

[augnp]

Geelong was a far better side than Hawthorn in 2011

We lost all our games against Geelong and Collingwood, the Cats won all their games against the Hawks and Pies. It's only been since 2012 that you could really argue that Hawthorn have been the better side. That said, I would argue that we were clearly a better side than them in 2012...would you disagree?

did you beat them or was it the curse?

 

[Hawkk]

did you beat them or was it the curse?

The first was round 2, early season form is always a lottery. The second match was a game where we fell the best part of 9 goals back only to lose after the siren. An act of sheer brilliance more than anything else.

This along with that infamous game is far and away Hawthorn's best opportunity to break the duck. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens...

 

[Kenno27]

If Geelong get up, would it be validation of a 'curse' ?

Only think there have been 2 AFL curses recently.

- The Norm Smith curse.
- The Colliwobles.

As a finals reference, in 1970, Collingwood won all 3 meetings against Carlton comprehensively. They were far and away the superior team and finished on top that year but the Colliwobles curse prevailed.

It will be the same if Hawthorn can't salute this weekend.

 

[augnp]

The first was round 2, early season form is always a lottery. The second match was a game where we fell the best part of 9 goals back only to lose after the siren. An act of sheer brilliance more than anything else.

This along with that infamous game is far and away Hawthorn's best opportunity to break the duck. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens...

Yes it is but and big but at that, the last time without Chapman and Johnston would also have been a good an opportunity to break the duck. And lets face it when a side has the wood on you its hard to shake, Richmond proved that with your mob this year.

 

[MinerBoy]

Y

It's hawthorn we are talking about here. Cats are primed.

We're gunna beat you like a red headed step son.

 

[MinerBoy]

Wh Herculean now? Because of enright confirmed as an out?

They all think they will win. Don't fall for it.

There's a lot of "everything points to a Hawks win" talk but when it comes down to it, they all expect to win. Fair enough too mind you - they have a good record, had an outstanding H&A season themselves this year, and only have 1 or 2 out which is really as good as anyone expects this time of year.

 

[Hawkk]

Yes it is but and big but at that, the last time without Chapman and Johnston would also have been a good an opportunity to break the duck. And lets face it when a side has the wood on you its hard to shake, Richmond proved that with your mob this year.

Richmond have beaten us three times since 2005. Evidently we've got 5-3 record against the Tigers in those years and made the GF in the two years we lost against them previously (2008, 2012)

Does a 2 year streak warrant a curse

 

[Gavin Excell]

They all think they will win. Don't fall for it.

There's a lot of "everything points to a Hawks win" talk but when it comes down to it, they all expect to win. Fair enough too mind you - they have a good record, had an outstanding H&A season themselves this year, and only have 1 or 2 out which is really as good as anyone expects this time of year.

think betting reflects the general feeling. Cats drifting out to $2.80 Hawks crunched into $1.40 now

 

[MinerBoy]

think betting reflects the general feeling. Cats drifting out to $2.80 Hawks crunched into $1.40 now

I'm talking about you Geelong peeps, not the punters.

 

[ep2018]

If Geelong get up, would it be validation of a 'curse' ?

Only think there have been 2 AFL curses recently.

- The Norm Smith curse.
- The Colliwobles.

As a finals reference, in 1970, Collingwood won all 3 meetings against Carlton comprehensively. They were far and away the superior team and finished on top that year but the Colliwobles curse prevailed.

It will be the same if Hawthorn can't salute this weekend.

Whats the Norm Smith curse?

 

[Julius Seizure]

Is there a way neither can win? I don't think the main board will be able to handle either result.