Pick 15! Ideas?

[farlacious]

If we're lucky, yeah, Griffiths will be around. I'd be happy with Carlisle, Griffiths, or Talia, as long as we do end up with one of them.

Really, really, REALLY hope we don't end up with Butcher. You need to be able to kick the ball these days, and his kicking leaves alot to be desired. Also, we already have a better version of him in Cordy. Sheppard or Melksham would also be good, but with two F/S selections coming up next year, would prefer we take a tall with our first pick.

Also, saw on your draft, that you had us grabbing Sam Reid. Giggled with his name. Imagine him and our other Reid playing together...

"Reid kicks to Reid, handpasses back to Reid..."

 

[Bubba_5]

Brad Shephard reminds me a lot of Shaun Higgins, just not quite as reliable a finisher. Goes without saying would love to get him. If we went tall then Aaron Black seems to tick all the boxes.

 

[GrandBlue]

Ok, of the Dogs' main needs, I'd say we'd need to stock up on a Key Position Defender/Forward and a Speedy Linebreaker/Wingman.

For the Doggies' first round pick, I think our top priorities should be Daniel Talia, Aaron Black, Brad Sheppard and Lewis Jetta (Maybe Griffiths). Talia is simply the best defender in the draft, he would fit well into the Dogs' center-half back position in a couple of years time and along with that, he's a good disposal and can often be relied on unlike other Key Position players such as Simon Prestigiacomo. He can also push up forward if needed, however, I wouldn't select him exclusivley as a forward option as he's mainly a KP Defender and there are better forward options. An interesting fact is that Talia is the grandson of Footscray 1954 Premiership player, Harvey Stevens.

Aaron Black would be our genuine full forward, he's a great mark, good kick, applies pressure and I rate him the second best tall foward in the draft. He seems like the right type of forward the Dogs would want even though I haven't seen too much of him yet.

Brad Sheppard is a running Half-Back flanker who can also play midfield. He is, by all means, a gun player, being a good mark, usually dominating opponents and he attacks the ball really well. He'd suit our gamestyle well too and while we already may have Harbrow for this type of role, I think Sheppard could possibly replace Hargrave when he's retired.

Lewis Jetta would be an ideal replacement for Eagleton. He's probably the best player roaming th wings in the draft. Althogh I've heard he's not keen on leaving WA, I'd say he's worth a punt, even as a mature recruit. Would have gone top 7 if he wasn't 2 years older than all the other draftees as he has great skills, a penetrating kick and loves breaking through the lines.

Griffiths is a small possibility. From what I've seen of him, I'm not the biggest fan. He seems to go missing quite a bit and I question his ability to apply defencive pressure. But for the record, he would suit our needs once Bazza's retired. He's a big bodied Forward who's far more bulkier than the rest of the draftees and can launch the ball quite a long way. He's been likened to Quinten Lynch a lot due to this asset. He's also a good mark but I still rate Black better as a forward.

As for the second round, this is where most of the fast players are. If we don't get Jetta, then I think the Dogs should give Colyer a good look. Not only would he replace Eagleton, but he also does quite a good job as a small forward. Though, hard to see him lasting to the Dogs' second pick, especially since West Coast have 2 picks before us in the second round. Nat Fyfe is also worth a look, he's a gun small forward with skills and X-Factor and could add a dimension to our forward line after Aker and Johno's departure. Sam Reid's also certainly worth a look as a reliable Key Defender. As far as forwards go, some have suggested the Dogs take a punt on Myles Pitt, who's similar to Scott Welsh as a 190cm medium/tallish forward target who leads well and is a very good shot at goal. The smokey for our second round however, would be Serhat Temel. For those who haven't heard of him, he's the best mark in the draft and dominated all year for Calder. His weakness is obviously his legs and moves like a slug (Similar to Minson up forward) but I think Temel can develop, whilst he may not be good on the lead, Temel can definitely take a pack mark and if he grows a fair amount of muscle, he'd be able to beat all his opponents one on one and make a huge pressence of himself.

The Dogs traded their 3rd round to Sydney which is a bumber but I reckon we should take a punt on Robbie Hicks if he's still available. Would be a decent replacement for Akermanis and even if he's not there, there are quite a lot of small forwards that appear in the latter stages of the draft.

 

[Batman]

I think this year we will draft for needs more than any other due to its evenness from relatively early on (sourced see E Quales article in Sunday Age summarising recruiter thoughts), am not sure we'll pick up a youngster with our third pick, as we will go for impact now.

Would be interested in people's thoughts on Jesse Smith???

My reading of our list is that we need:
Pick 15 - A small forward or quick goal kicking mid to support then replace Eagle and Aker - our lack of pace is worrying. L Jetta may be a monty if he slips to us
Pick 31 - A developing quarterback to replace 28 yr old Gilbee (and potentially release Harbrow further forward (J Smith??), although tipping Geelong might get Smith at 28 (this is assuming his medical is ok - remembering S Johnson and J Rawlins as polar opposite examples on medicals - we did do a medical on Jade right??).
Pick 63 - Rhan Hooper or Nicoski (small forward or running half back, depending on who we get earlier)

Personally I don't think we need another developing KP who will add nothing next year, as we have Cordy (R/F), Boumann (B), Williams (B), Roughead (R/F), Grant (F), Everitt (F) and Jones (B)
No inside mids - we get Libba and Wallis next year, and they hopefully will support S Reid and C Ward in replacing Boyd and Cross

 

[Dal17]

Your underrating Moore as well. Were in the running to pick him up with our first round selection.

I think you overating him a bit to much my friend

 

[Libba39]

We should take the best player we can get over 194cm

end of story

 

[murphy2bedabest]

We should take the best player we can get over 194cm

end of story

Kinda agree with this, but we also have Gia Murphy Hahn Gilbee Hargrave and even Lake getting closer to the end and in the next 1-2 years Aker Eagleton Hall Johnson Hudson

Gia Murphy Gilbee Aker Eagleton and Johnson are some of our best users of the Pill so i think maybe some speedy outside mids with great skills, as pointed out we have Libba and Wallis coming on board next year.

the other thing is with Ruckman, people have also been saying no to drafting a Ruckman, ok we have Hudson Minson Cordy and Roughead but what after that will Shaw Mulligan stay on? i still think we need some more depth and if in 3-4 we have to trade 1-2 surplus ruckman so be it, look at their value to some teams. What Ruckman are out there?

 

[GrandBlue]

the other thing is with Ruckman, people have also been saying no to drafting a Ruckman, ok we have Hudson Minson Cordy and Roughead but what after that will Shaw Mulligan stay on? i still think we need some more depth and if in 3-4 we have to trade 1-2 surplus ruckman so be it, look at their value to some teams. What Ruckman are out there?

The only decent ruckmen in the draft would be Vardy, Fitzpatrick and Craig. Vardy is a good tap ruckman with a good mark but he'll go first round and the Dogs definitely won't get a ruckman with their first pick, that's better used on a line-breaker. Fitzpatrick is a beanpole ruckman, similar to Ayce Cordy except worse and James Craig is an undersized 195cm ruckman who can play in defence.

In the end, the Dogs definitely won't select a ruckman and if they do, it'll be Majak Daw in the rookie draft. I'd rather have faith in Minson, Cordy and Roughead to lead the way into the future and keep Mulligan and Shaw (Or update them with another rookie ruckman if they don't show anything).

 

[chef]

We should take the best player we can get over 194cm

end of story

I would be happy to take a small forward, as long as they are quick with great disposal and defensive skills.

 

[Dry Rot]

The only decent ruckmen in the draft would be Vardy, Fitzpatrick and Craig. Vardy is a good tap ruckman with a good mark but he'll go first round and the Dogs definitely won't get a ruckman with their first pick, that's better used on a line-breaker. Fitzpatrick is a beanpole ruckman, similar to Ayce Cordy except worse and James Craig is an undersized 195cm ruckman who can play in defence.

In the end, the Dogs definitely won't select a ruckman and if they do, it'll be Majak Daw in the rookie draft. I'd rather have faith in Minson, Cordy and Roughead to lead the way into the future and keep Mulligan and Shaw (Or update them with another rookie ruckman if they don't show anything).

Anyone know what is happening with Shaw? When are lists finalised?

 

[stefoid]

I would be happy to take a small forward, as long as they are quick with great disposal and defensive skills.

would be good if Gary Rohan was still available - he looks like he will be available towards the second half of the draft.

article praises his physicality and defensive pressure....

http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/article/2009/06/01/74775_geelong_sports.html

http://blogs.theage.com.au/realfooty/archives/2009/09/emma_quayles_dr.html

best assets at draft camp were repeated 30m sprints and topped the kicking efficiency.
oh, and hes already 186cm and 79kilos. wont need to wait 3 years for him to develop a frame.

 

[GrandBlue]

I doubt Rohan will slip to the Dogs pick. Sydney already seem to be interested and even if they don't take him with their first pick, they have a pick right before us.

 

[divvydan]

Anyone know what is happening with Shaw? When are lists finalised?

Last I heard the AFL were still considering the possibility of extending the rookie list period from 2 to 3 years over the next five year period or so, when GC and WS come into the competition.
If it were to be accepted, I suspect one of Mulligan/Shaw may be kept on for next season, otherwise I'd expect both to be delisted off the rookie list. The initial player list needs to be by Oct 31st so we'll know some point between now and then what the club's intentions are.

 

[Kelvin31]

Take Griffiths or Carlisle if you want a tall.


Leave Black for us He is a fragile 19 year old that just came up from country wa. He will not thrive moving across the country and leaving his large family network in Mandurah If Black goes to Victoria, you will be plaugued with more "rumor: Aaron Black homesick threads " than Carlton did this year with Chris Yarran.

So pick him at your own risk

Ohh Ok thanks for the draft advice. He's from WA so its his birthright to go to Freo or WCE. Of course, what were we thinking?

Paaarleese, if we worried about kids from regional areas being home sick or threads and rumours, there wouldn't be an AFL (Australian Football League).
Anyway I think we should look at Butcher or Jetta.

 

[chef]

Ohh Ok thanks for the draft advice. He's from WA so its his birthright to go to Freo or WCE. Of course, what were we thinking?

Paaarleese, if we worried about kids from regional areas being home sick or threads and rumours, there wouldn't be an AFL (Australian Football League).
Anyway I think we should look at Butcher or Jetta.

Do you think there will be much chance of them being available come our pick?

 

[Kelvin31]

Probably not, but I have heard so many variations of the top 10 that you never know.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Talia wont make it past Port Adelaide #8/#9

Butcher wont make it past Melbourne #11

Black wont make it past Carlton #12


Griffiths is awesome .. but made of paper.

Panos will be there.

Carlisle will be there.

 

[stefoid]

Not convinced about Jetta, going only on what I have read about his style. Sort of a Daniel Wells type of player.

 

[GrandBlue]

Talia wont make it past Port Adelaide #8/#9

Why would Port take a Key Position Defender when they already have Carlile and Chaplin. Port needs midfielders to compensate for the Burgoyne brothers and a ruckman for Lade and soon, Brogan.

 

[dogwatch]

Whoever we get with our top 2 picks I want to have the following attributes:

- disposal (especially by foot) is very good to outstanding
- good decision maker
- strong work ethic
- committed to becoming the best he can and to team success

Think about our players who have been clear failures or successes. Lots of players have good footy and athletic ability so I'm assuming that's a given. But the above are critical to getting a high value 200 gamer. The main exception on our current list is probably Cross whose foot disposal is below average but he compensates in many other areas. But he slipped right down to pick 56 or thereabouts!

 

[chef]

Talia wont make it past Port Adelaide #8/#9

Butcher wont make it past Melbourne #11

Black wont make it past Carlton #12


Griffiths is awesome .. but made of paper.

Panos will be there.

Carlisle will be there.

I doubt the Dogs will be taking a tall with their first pick.

 

[Go_Dogs]

Pick 15 - We really just need to go best available with this pick I think. The talent looks pretty even in the second half of the first round, so we should be able to get a quality tall or small.


I think there will be some good value in later round picks too.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Why would Port take a Key Position Defender when they already have Carlile and Chaplin. Port needs midfielders to compensate for the Burgoyne brothers and a ruckman for Lade and soon, Brogan.

Talia is not just a KPD - he can also play as a CHF.

 

[GrandBlue]

Talia is not just a KPD - he can also play as a CHF.

If a team wanted a CHF, Carlisle, Black and Panos are all better options than Talia. People don't seem to understand that Talia rarely ever goes forward and when he does, he's average in the position.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

If a team wanted a CHF, Carlisle, Black and Panos are all better options than Talia. People don't seem to understand that Talia rarely ever goes forward and when he does, he's average in the position.

People dont seem to understand that Carlisle moves like an iceberg and Panos is a one trick pony.

Black I agree with.